dumbsparce Posted June 20 Posted June 20 16 minutes ago, Sazare said: I think the quality of the bread is extremely important when you're discussing who's the better breadmaker, actually. I think the owner of a bakery that produces the world's best focaccia is still a better breadmaker than an assembly line worker who churns out hundreds of hundreds processed hamburger buns in one day, regardless of how much of the dough either of them actually touches. I think you're missing the point. The fact that no one in this thread denies the objective truth that Taylor KNOWS how to craft a song and resorts to subjective anecdotes such as "I prefer Beyonce's music" says it all. Like, I prefer Rihanna's music over Taylor's but I'm not gonna sit here and say that Rih knows how to make a song better than Taylor does as it's well known that she mostly relies on other ppl to bring her the goods.
Erreur2 La Nature Posted June 20 Posted June 20 Why are there still people getting baited by the op in 2024
dirrtydiana Posted June 20 Posted June 20 1 hour ago, dumbsparce said: Well exactly. Taylor makes the dough and puts it in the oven herself. Beyonce reads the ingredients and her collaborators do the rest. The question is who's better at making the bread, not whose bread you prefer. That my point…Taste is absolutely not involved when one of the two's final product is mass produced and stale.
dirrtydiana Posted June 20 Posted June 20 1 hour ago, Badgalbriel said: That's still not her craft. She's presenting someone else's work. That's not craft, that's being a good presenter You ever been to a kitchen with a head chef? If her voice and arrangements, harmonies and melodies make and sell the craft, why is it "not hers"? whitney famously didn't write and did that make her less of an artist?
Badgalbriel Posted June 20 Posted June 20 15 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said: You ever been to a kitchen with a head chef? If her voice and arrangements, harmonies and melodies make and sell the craft, why is it "not hers"? whitney famously didn't write and did that make her less of an artist? It's not about being less of an artist.... It's about craft, who's able to create music from scratch.
Badgalbriel Posted June 20 Posted June 20 22 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said: That my point…Taste is absolutely not involved when one of the two's final product is mass produced and stale. But that's not the question here. The question is not about who makes better music, but who's more talented in creating that music. Beyoncé is not creating anything. She's just the voice on tiger people's work 2 1
dirrtydiana Posted June 20 Posted June 20 2 minutes ago, Badgalbriel said: It's not about being less of an artist.... It's about craft, who's able to create music from scratch. Which we've established taylor cannot do it either given her underwhelming end product. 1 minute ago, Badgalbriel said: But that's not the question here. The question is not about who makes better music, but who's more talented in creating that music. Beyoncé is not creating anything. She's just the voice on tiger people's work "She's just the voice." I'm confused as to how you consume pop music…
Badgalbriel Posted June 20 Posted June 20 1 minute ago, dirrtydiana said: Which we've established taylor cannot do it either given her underwhelming end product. But she can. While the other one can't. You need to play an instrument as well, to be able to create music.
dirrtydiana Posted June 20 Posted June 20 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Badgalbriel said: But she can. While the other one can't. You need to play an instrument as well, to be able to create music. Now you're just making **** up. The voice is literally an instrument (well I guess tay doesn't know how to play that one.) Mariah and Michael famously did not know how to play instruments yet still created some of the best music in history but I digress. No one should sit here and argue with people who've been brainwashed into believing that chick is some sort of avant garde artist when her productions are that of a talented high schooler at best Edited June 20 by dirrtydiana 1
Princess Aurora Posted June 20 Posted June 20 Beyoncé is a perfectionist like meTaylor kinda lost her quality control especially in lyrics this time.
Sazare Posted June 20 Posted June 20 45 minutes ago, dumbsparce said: I think you're missing the point. The fact that no one in this thread denies the objective truth that Taylor KNOWS how to craft a song and resorts to subjective anecdotes such as "I prefer Beyonce's music" says it all. Like, I prefer Rihanna's music over Taylor's but I'm not gonna sit here and say that Rih knows how to make a song better than Taylor does as it's well known that she mostly relies on other ppl to bring her the goods. I don't think taylor knows how to craft a good song and I don't think the "good" qualifier misses the point. if the "bread" someone makes all by themselves tastes bad and gives me food poisoning, I would say their breadmaking skills are objectively worse than the creative director at a bakery who directed every step in the process of baking a delicious loaf of bread but didn't actually touch the dough. I'm sorry, but quality absolutely does matter. And of course this analogy is off because Beyoncé does actually touch the metaphorical dough. 1
KillingYourCareer Posted June 20 Posted June 20 That's very subjective, but Beyoncé is surely more interesting
CherryBay Posted June 20 Posted June 20 I mean apples vs oranges in here one is hard working taking risks artist the other one is 1
Jay07 Posted June 20 Posted June 20 Let's look at the last decade. Beyonce: Self Titled, Lemonade, Homecoming, Rennaisance, Cowboy Carter, all quality, gold star 10/10 efforts Taylor: 1989, Reputation, Lover, folklore, evermore, Midnights, TTPD literally only 2 good albums and the rest are crap I rest my case. 1 1 1
byzantium Posted June 20 Posted June 20 Only a group of out of touch gays would say Beyonce over Taylor. Don't get me wrong, Beyonce has many talents, but songmaking is on her weaker side.
Jay07 Posted June 20 Posted June 20 1 hour ago, Badgalbriel said: It's not about being less of an artist.... It's about craft, who's able to create music from scratch. No sweetie, the question isn't who can make the best album alone, it's who can make the best album. And Beyonce has had an unbroken streak for the past decade. The other one not so much. As for the completely deluded claim that you need to play instruments to create good albums, someone should tell Madonna, Michael, Janet, Mariah etc.
Popboi. Posted June 20 Posted June 20 Taylor is better crafting songs, Beyoncé is better singing and performing them live. That shouldn't even be a question.
dirrtydiana Posted June 20 Posted June 20 21 minutes ago, byzantium said: Only a group of out of touch gays would say Beyonce over Taylor. Don't get me wrong, Beyonce has many talents, but songmaking is on her weaker side. Only a group of out of touch gays would believe anything taylor has made "solo" is good or memorable 1
Gui Blackout Posted June 20 Posted June 20 You have to actually craft your music to have this conversation, so Taylor wins by default 1
dumbsparce Posted June 20 Posted June 20 1 hour ago, Sazare said: I don't think taylor knows how to craft a good song and I don't think the "good" qualifier misses the point. if the "bread" someone makes all by themselves tastes bad and gives me food poisoning, I would say their breadmaking skills are objectively worse than the creative director at a bakery who directed every step in the process of baking a delicious loaf of bread but didn't actually touch the dough. I'm sorry, but quality absolutely does matter. And of course this analogy is off because Beyoncé does actually touch the metaphorical dough. I mean.. the same can be said about Beyonce or any other artist. The thing is that if B's music is not someone's cup of tea then there's nothing left to admire about her abilities in music craftsmanship. The same can't be said about Taylor who can at least go by herself in the studio and make sth even if it ends up being a turd.
Sazare Posted June 20 Posted June 20 1 minute ago, dumbsparce said: I mean.. the same can be said about Beyonce or any other artist. The thing is that if B's music is not someone's cup of tea then there's nothing left to admire about her abilities in music craftsmanship. The same can't be said about Taylor who can at least go by herself in the studio and make sth even if it ends up being a turd. Ok well this is inherently a subjective question so idk what you want from anyone who answers differently from you Your position is no more objective
Badgalbriel Posted June 20 Posted June 20 30 minutes ago, Jay07 said: No sweetie, the question isn't who can make the best album alone, it's who can make the best album. And Beyonce has had an unbroken streak for the past decade. The other one not so much. As for the completely deluded claim that you need to play instruments to create good albums, someone should tell Madonna, Michael, Janet, Mariah etc. But is that her craft or her collaborators' craft then?
Alexz Posted June 20 Posted June 20 Either way you spin it Beyoncé's music is terrible and it's not created by her. 1
Jay07 Posted June 20 Posted June 20 1 hour ago, Badgalbriel said: But is that her craft or her collaborators' craft then? Well judging by the words of said collaborators, it's her hand guiding the process and her making the most important contributions so I guess I will take their word for it over an ATRL Swiftie who said Beyonce is only valuable for woke points. Or we can go by the insane metric than an album only counts when it's produced solo so I guess goodbye Thriller, goodbye Ray of Light, goodbye Velvet Rope, goodbye Born this Way. 1
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