WaterDiamonds Posted June 25 Posted June 25 ATRLs, can we get a compilation of all of Luke's questionable behaviors in the workplace? If Katy doesn't believe he's a r@pist (), why would she come back to a man who is so hard to deal with anyway? I heard many stories but I'd like to summarize them all, from who do we have testimonies of him being an arsehole in the studio? kelly, p!nk, jessie j, becky g, avril, britney? (I'm always curious if someone knows about how he was handled considering he mostly worked for her after the conservatorship took place so she was specially vulnerable, I found 0 relevant info). 4
ChooseyLover Posted June 25 Posted June 25 On 6/22/2024 at 12:42 AM, ImpressMeMuch said: why are the kats ok with **** like this??? I unashamedly want her career to be over over this and it's something I never wished to any female artist before. It could be a learning opportunity for her and for the world. We shouldn't be enabling abusers in 2024. If we want a literal woman's world instead of a metaphorical one. 6
TomTom Posted June 25 Posted June 25 This is Daily Mail, so this article should possibly be taken with a grain of salt, but I'd totally believe this anyways. I hope a more reputable source like Billboard or Rolling Stone picks this up. 3
halcyonday Posted June 25 Author Posted June 25 2 minutes ago, TomTom said: This is Daily Mail, so this article should possibly be taken with a grain of salt, but I'd totally believe this anyways. I hope a more reputable source like Billboard or Rolling Stone picks this up. I can imagine that, but what is the source? A dailymail insider?
Vixen Eyes Posted June 25 Posted June 25 18 hours ago, WaterDiamonds said: ATRLs, can we get a compilation of all of Luke's questionable behaviors in the workplace? If Katy doesn't believe he's a r@pist (), why would she come back to a man who is so hard to deal with anyway? I heard many stories but I'd like to summarize them all, from who do we have testimonies of him being an arsehole in the studio? kelly, p!nk, jessie j, becky g, avril, britney? (I'm always curious if someone knows about how he was handled considering he mostly worked for her after the conservatorship took place so she was specially vulnerable, I found 0 relevant info). from what i can remember off the top of my head, until TomTom can (if they have the time to) compile the bits of what they each posted to twitter, etc, i know Kelly said something along the lines of how she was forced to work with Luke for All I Ever Wanted (specifically for the single My Life Would Suck Without You) and that she (i think the word is) regrets caving into working with him for it. that was the last album she worked with him on. 1
Vixen Eyes Posted June 25 Posted June 25 6 hours ago, halcyonday said: I can imagine that, but what is the source? A dailymail insider? we'll have to wait and see if another news source/tabloid picks it up. but i would imagine SOMEBODY close to her mentioned potential backlash for working with a disgraced man for a women's empowerment "anthem"
WaterDiamonds Posted June 26 Posted June 26 2 hours ago, Vixen Eyes said: from what i can remember off the top of my head, until TomTom can (if they have the time to) compile the bits of what they each posted to twitter, etc, i know Kelly said something along the lines of how she was forced to work with Luke for All I Ever Wanted (specifically for the single My Life Would Suck Without You) and that she (i think the word is) regrets caving into working with him for it. that was the last album she worked with him on. OMG, that would be amazing to debunk the lies that some KCs are spreading about the situation, I saw some saying everyone but Kesha has nice things to say about him. Yeah I also heard he has very nasty and unprofessional behaviors overall, no matter who the client is, like replacing background vocals by other singers with his to maximize his profits and shady stuff like that. 1
Vixen Eyes Posted June 26 Posted June 26 12 minutes ago, WaterDiamonds said: OMG, that would be amazing to debunk the lies that some KCs are spreading about the situation, I saw some saying everyone but Kesha has nice things to say about him. Yeah I also heard he has very nasty and unprofessional behaviors overall, no matter who the client is, like replacing background vocals by other singers with his to maximize his profits and shady stuff like that. im almost convinced he never asked Karen O or the rest of The Yeah Yeah Yeahs to use their song Maps for Kelly's single Since U Been Gone. 1
Communion Posted June 26 Posted June 26 (edited) 23 hours ago, WaterDiamonds said: ATRLs, can we get a compilation of all of Luke's questionable behaviors in the workplace? If Katy doesn't believe he's a r@pist (), why would she come back to a man who is so hard to deal with anyway? I heard many stories but I'd like to summarize them all, from who do we have testimonies of him being an arsehole in the studio? kelly, p!nk, jessie j, becky g, avril, britney? (I'm always curious if someone knows about how he was handled considering he mostly worked for her after the conservatorship took place so she was specially vulnerable, I found 0 relevant info). I believe @TomTom or @Vixen Eyes might know more about anything that has been revealed in court docs (the main document I had spent time reading was Kelly's unsealed deposition), but basically: Kelly Clarkson hates him for: Harassing her fans online on an MSN message board-then-forum called Kelly Clarkson Express, calling her a liar for saying she helped w/ Since U Been Gone; Lying to Clive Davis, claiming that "Behind These Hazel Eyes" was his work when Kelly wrote nearly all of the lyrics; Being a weirdo commenting about her body and calling "Never Again" a flop, tracking its radio updates, on Pulse Music Board; Writing "My Life Would Suck Without You" as an insult/diss to her at Clive Davis' request, with Kelly confirming RCA wouldn't put out the album if they didn't put out Luke's song as the lead (she's since used the words "blackmailed into working with Dr. Luke") despite already knowing at the time he was being a weirdo and ****-talking her online and lying to Clive Davis about her involvement in songs; Her quotes from her unsealed 2018 deposition: Quote And Dr. Luke attempted to come up. He came up and said, "hey, you know, I don't know like what the problem is, you know, between us." And I just cut him off and said, "man, you know exactly what the problem is between us. You know, like things that have gone down behind the scenes." And, you know, via my label, via people telling me at my label like things he said and just his way of like having arguments with my fans and having like just his person. Like I was like, "you know I don't like you. And it's cool like I don't have to like you, you don't have to like me. There's plenty of people in the world like and, you know, I hope you're successful in your ventures. I'm going to be successful in mine. We don't have to work together. You know why I'm here; I have to be." I was like so there's no -- I'm like, "I'm not mad about it, I'm not angry, I just don't want you in my life." Quote The original song that was sent to me was such a turd, I didn't -- it wasn't what you hear now. And I had to work on [My Life Would Suck Without You] myself. And I just didn't take credit because I don't want my name near his. That's how much I dislike him. So I don't know who the other writers are. I don't even look at the songwriter credit. I kind of pretend that didn't happen in my life. Quote Have you ever seen Dr. Luke be upset with anyone? He is very like sneaky with it. Like he is very like, like I said, just kind of dismissive and belittling and, you know, throw out jabs like it's that kind of thing. Quote -In general, I don't know anyone that likes him. Does that include managers and artists? And producers and songwriters, but I don't know everybody, so... -- P!nk's hatred of him starts with: It being obvious he re-used production from other songs (for The Veronicas, Kelis) on the songs he produced on I'm Not Dead; He, like with Kelly, spent his days as a hitmaker producer ****-talking her on Pulse Music Boards. He literally had singles lined up with her (Who Knew, U + Ur Hand) yet was complaining that she pushed for Stupid Girls to be the lead. Tracked its radio updates and said it was flopping and that her label was dumb for listening to her, saying the last time she got to have her say (Try This) she "flopped then too". Butch Walker, P!nk's friend and frequent producer, wrote a memoir called Drinking With Strangers that's meant to be a spoof tell-all about Hollywood. All the names are changed and it's disclaimed as just inspired by true events. There's a section where he describes how a female pop star friend confronts a producer named "Larry" (described as: "some coke-pushing loser who wears Adidas tracksuits") over an issue with re-used songs at a club that led to a physical fight between the two after "Larry" physically threatened her. This incident is believed to allegedly be about P!nk. P!nk about Luke in a 2017 interview with New York Times: Quote "I don't know what happened," she said of Kesha's much-publicized claims that Dr. Luke was sexually and verbally abusive. "But I know that regardless of whether or not Dr. Luke did that, this is his karma and he earned it because he's not a good person." "I have told him that to his face and I do not work with him," she added. "He doesn't do good business, he's not a kind person, he doesn't do the right thing when given ample opportunities to do so, and I don't really feel that bad for him." Dr. Luke declined to comment. -- Avril Lavigne has not commented on Luke publicly, but: Butch Walker's same memoir describes an unnamed producer taking a very famous sample he and another female pop star were working on and using it to make another song despite Butch working to get the sample cleared. The female pop star is described as someone Butch was extremely close with and worked for years with. This alleged incident is believed to be about Avril Lavigne, with Walker producing multiple singles off of Under My Skin. The situation is described in the memoir as "Larry" pressuring the female singer to take over her project, saying how he has the 3 current biggest songs on radio at the moment, and that Butch doesn't want her to succeed. The singer's band tells Butch about the song and it ends with the female pop singer bursting in tears over the phone to Butch that she was sorry that their friendship almost ended over the song and "Larry". -- Britney Spears has not commented on Luke publicly, but: Bloodshy of the production duo Bloodshy & Avant had commented that the A&R process for Femme Fatale was very different from their usual experiences with Britney and had convinced them they'd likely never end up working with Britney again due to how unprofessional some of the process was. I remember seeing a quote about songs being tweaked / changed without his knowledge if a Britney fan can remember where I saw Bloodshy mentioning that. I also believe Willam Orbit had made similar comments that Femme Fatale was an unenjoyable process due to Dr. Luke being given full executive producer rights and throwing away most of the material already recorded up to that point. -- This tweet is believed to be about Dr. Luke. Charli XCX was in the studio with Luke and Ricky Reed on this day. Ricky Reed ended up deleting the photo (linked in this article) he tweeted showing them all in the studio that day. Charli ended up shading Luke on Sucker. -- Bebe Rexha has never spoken about Luke directly, but spoke about how the one time she went to a Dr. Luke session at his studio. Most of the other songwriters were men, many were just there to party and get high, and she found the general atmosphere uncomfortable. She recalled a male writer who was there was told her to "write our song already" and that he was going to "go downstairs to drink" while she did the work for them. This HuffPo article summarizes her Cosmo UK interview where she says Pebe Sebert came up to her at a party around 2013 and just said "Don't do it" and Bebe realized she meant working with Dr. Luke and Bebe refers to that moment as some of the best advice she's ever gotten. -- Most of the comments about Luke dry up after Kesha went public with her claims, as he then shifted to a closer circle of producers (often falling out with the usual younger producers he would work with [Benny Blanco] or ending up being sued by them over publishing [Ammo]). So now a lot of his producers are this kind of frat house of guys he keeps in a roster (Aaron Joseph, Lil Aaron, Ryan OG, Rocco Valdes, and somewhat Vaughn Oliver). And then artists these people often work with: Kim Petras, Lourdiz, Baby E, etc. See: When Kim was getting heat and that Baby E guy was commenting in some Kim Petras discord that Kesha's a *****, Kesha's a liar, Luke is innocent, Kim is awesome, etc. Baby E went on to call Ava Max a "*****" and said she was why Cirkut no longer worked with Luke, framing this negatively (Ava was Cirkut's long-time girlfriend at the time of this incident). Edited June 26 by Communion 5 7
WaterDiamonds Posted June 26 Posted June 26 12 minutes ago, Communion said: I believe @TomTom or @Vixen Eyes might know more about anything that has been revealed in court docs (the main document I had spent time reading was Kelly's unsealed deposition), but basically: Kelly Clarkson hates him for: Harassing her fans online on an MSN message board-then-forum called Kelly Clarkson Express, calling her a liar for saying she helped w/ Since U Been Gone; Lying to Clive Davis, claiming that "Behind These Hazel Eyes" was his work when Kelly wrote nearly all of the lyrics; Being a weirdo commenting about her body and calling "Never Again" a flop, tracking its radio updates, on Pulse Music Board; Writing "My Life Would Suck Without You" as an insult/diss to her at Clive Davis' request, with Kelly confirming RCA wouldn't put out the album if they didn't put out Luke's song as the lead (she's since used the words "blackmailed into working with Dr. Luke") despite already knowing at the time he was being a weirdo and ****-talking her online and lying to Clive Davis about her involvement in songs; Her quotes from her unsealed 2018 deposition: -- P!nk's hatred of him starts with: It being obvious he re-used production from other songs (for The Veronicas, Kelis) on the songs he produced on I'm Not Dead; He, like with Kelly, spent his days as a hitmaker producer ****-talking her on Pulse Music Boards. He literally had singles lined up with her (Who Knew, U + Ur Hand) yet was complaining that she pushed for Stupid Girls to be the lead. Tracked its radio updates and said it was flopping and that her label was dumb for listening to her, saying the last time she got to have her say (Try This) she "flopped then too". Butch Walker, P!nk's friend and frequent producer, wrote a memoir called Drinking With Strangers that's meant to be a spoof tell-all about Hollywood. All the names are changed and it's disclaimed as just inspired by true events. There's a section where he describes how a female pop star friend confronts a producer named "Larry" (described as: "some coke-pushing loser who wears Adidas tracksuits") over an issue with re-used songs at a club that led to a physical fight between the two after "Larry" physically threatened her. This incident is believed to allegedly be about P!nk. P!nk about Luke in a 2017 interview with New York Times: -- Avril Lavigne has not commented on Luke publicly, but: Butch Walker's same memoir describes an unnamed producer taking a very famous sample he and another female pop star were working on and using it to make another song despite Butch working to get the sample cleared. The female pop star is described as someone Butch was extremely close with and worked for years with. This alleged incident is believed to be about Avril Lavigne, with Walker producing multiple singles off of Under My Skin. The situation is described in the memoir as "Larry" pressuring the female singer to take over her project, saying how he has the 3 current biggest songs on radio at the moment, and that Butch doesn't want her to succeed. The singer's band tells Butch about the song and it ends with the female pop singer bursting in tears over the phone to Butch that she was sorry that their friendship almost ended over the song and "Larry". -- Britney Spears has not commented on Luke publicly, but: Bloodshy of the production duo Bloodshy & Avant had commented that the A&R process for Femme Fatale was very different from their usual experiences with Britney and had convinced them they'd likely never end up working with Britney again due to how unprofessional some of the process was. I remember seeing a quote about songs being tweaked / changed without his knowledge if a Britney fan can remember where I saw Bloodshy mentioning that. I also believe Willam Orbit had made similar comments that Femme Fatale was an unenjoyable process due to Dr. Luke being full executive producer rights and throwing away most of the material already recorded up to that point. -- This tweet is believed to be about Dr. Luke. Charli XCX was in the studio with Luke and Ricky Reed on this day. Ricky Reed ended up deleting the photo (linked in this article) he tweeted showing them all in the studio that day. Charli ended up shading Luke on Sucker. -- Bebe Rexha has never spoken about Luke directly, but spoke about how the one time she went to a Dr. Luke session at his studio, most of the other songwriters were men, many were just there to party and get high, and she found the general atmosphere uncomfortable, recalling a male producer/writer who was there was told her to "write our song already" and that he was going to "go downstairs to drink" while she did the work for them. This HuffPo article summarizes her Comso UK interview where she says Pebe Sebert came up to her at a party around 2013 and just said "Don't do it" and Bebe realized she meant working with Dr. Luke and Bebe refers to that moment as some of the best advice she's ever gotten. -- Most of the comments about Luke dry up after Kesha went public with her claims, as he then shifted to a closer circle of producers (often falling out with the usual younger producers he would work with [Benny Blanco] or ending up being sued by them over publishing [Ammo]). So now a lot of his producers are this kind of frat house of guys he keeps in a roster (Aaron Joseph, Lil Aaron, Ryan OG, Rocco Valdes, and somewhat Vaughn Oliver). And then artists these people often work with: Kim Petras, Lourdiz, Baby E, etc. See: When Kim was getting heat and that Baby E guy was commenting in some Kim Petras discord that Kesha's a *****, Kesha's a liar, Luke is innocent, Kim is awesome, etc. Baby E went on to call Ava Max a "*****" and said she was why Cirkut no longer worked with Luke, framing this negatively (Ava was Cirkut's long-time girlfriend at the time of this incident). I'm blown away by the amazing job you did summarizing all the information Tbh, I wasn't aware about many of these, and it truly shows how there's a pattern of behaviors, and most of his victims have endured similar things, he seems to actively seek to humiliate these women and take advantage of how sexist the industry is, with the goal of achieving full control of their work, I don't know if it's motivated just by his ego or something else plays a part into it; overall, at some point he was like the apex predator of pop, and seeing a former MPG like Katy embracing him despite of it all just infuriates me, because if we allow this being to have all the power he had during his prime, the list of abused women lured by his appeal as a hit maker won't cease to increased, and seeing KP not only not acknowledging this, but releasing Woman's World along with him feels like laughing in the face of all those ladies who he wronged over the years... Anyway, sorry for the ranting, I'm just upset, and again, you did an amazing job with this, it was very educational and I hope it opens the eyes of some people here who despite not being blind, aren't quite able to see the truth about this situation. 1 1
Communion Posted June 26 Posted June 26 7 minutes ago, WaterDiamonds said: I'm blown away by the amazing job you did summarizing all the information Tbh, I wasn't aware about many of these, and it truly shows how there's a pattern of behaviors, and most of his victims have endured similar things, he seems to actively seek to humiliate these women and take advantage of how sexist the industry is, with the goal of achieving full control of their work, I don't know if it's motivated just by his ego or something else plays a part into it; overall, at some point he was like the apex predator of pop, and seeing a former MPG like Katy embracing him despite of it all just infuriates me, because if we allow this being to have all the power he had during his prime, the list of abused women lured by his appeal as a hit maker won't cease to increased, and seeing KP not only not acknowledging this, but releasing Woman's World along with him feels like laughing in the face of all those ladies who he wronged over the years... Anyway, sorry for the ranting, I'm just upset, and again, you did an amazing job with this, it was very educational and I hope it opens the eyes of some people here who despite not being blind, aren't quite able to see the truth about this situation. What's funny is that stans try to act like the artists have no way of knowing his behavior and that this isn't some open knowledge about him, yet also in Kelly's deposition: Quote I have heard, I think it's P!nk and I have heard [she] like doesn't like working with him. I have been told. I was not told this via P!nk. I was told via my label because they're like, you know, we're having a hard time with him working with other people. And then they said, actually almost every female at our label doesn't like working with him. 3
gettsleazy Posted June 26 Posted June 26 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Communion said: I believe @TomTom or @Vixen Eyes might know more about anything that has been revealed in court docs (the main document I had spent time reading was Kelly's unsealed deposition), but basically: Kelly Clarkson hates him for: Harassing her fans online on an MSN message board-then-forum called Kelly Clarkson Express, calling her a liar for saying she helped w/ Since U Been Gone; Lying to Clive Davis, claiming that "Behind These Hazel Eyes" was his work when Kelly wrote nearly all of the lyrics; Being a weirdo commenting about her body and calling "Never Again" a flop, tracking its radio updates, on Pulse Music Board; Writing "My Life Would Suck Without You" as an insult/diss to her at Clive Davis' request, with Kelly confirming RCA wouldn't put out the album if they didn't put out Luke's song as the lead (she's since used the words "blackmailed into working with Dr. Luke") despite already knowing at the time he was being a weirdo and ****-talking her online and lying to Clive Davis about her involvement in songs; Her quotes from her unsealed 2018 deposition: -- P!nk's hatred of him starts with: It being obvious he re-used production from other songs (for The Veronicas, Kelis) on the songs he produced on I'm Not Dead; He, like with Kelly, spent his days as a hitmaker producer ****-talking her on Pulse Music Boards. He literally had singles lined up with her (Who Knew, U + Ur Hand) yet was complaining that she pushed for Stupid Girls to be the lead. Tracked its radio updates and said it was flopping and that her label was dumb for listening to her, saying the last time she got to have her say (Try This) she "flopped then too". Butch Walker, P!nk's friend and frequent producer, wrote a memoir called Drinking With Strangers that's meant to be a spoof tell-all about Hollywood. All the names are changed and it's disclaimed as just inspired by true events. There's a section where he describes how a female pop star friend confronts a producer named "Larry" (described as: "some coke-pushing loser who wears Adidas tracksuits") over an issue with re-used songs at a club that led to a physical fight between the two after "Larry" physically threatened her. This incident is believed to allegedly be about P!nk. P!nk about Luke in a 2017 interview with New York Times: -- Avril Lavigne has not commented on Luke publicly, but: Butch Walker's same memoir describes an unnamed producer taking a very famous sample he and another female pop star were working on and using it to make another song despite Butch working to get the sample cleared. The female pop star is described as someone Butch was extremely close with and worked for years with. This alleged incident is believed to be about Avril Lavigne, with Walker producing multiple singles off of Under My Skin. The situation is described in the memoir as "Larry" pressuring the female singer to take over her project, saying how he has the 3 current biggest songs on radio at the moment, and that Butch doesn't want her to succeed. The singer's band tells Butch about the song and it ends with the female pop singer bursting in tears over the phone to Butch that she was sorry that their friendship almost ended over the song and "Larry". -- Britney Spears has not commented on Luke publicly, but: Bloodshy of the production duo Bloodshy & Avant had commented that the A&R process for Femme Fatale was very different from their usual experiences with Britney and had convinced them they'd likely never end up working with Britney again due to how unprofessional some of the process was. I remember seeing a quote about songs being tweaked / changed without his knowledge if a Britney fan can remember where I saw Bloodshy mentioning that. I also believe Willam Orbit had made similar comments that Femme Fatale was an unenjoyable process due to Dr. Luke being given full executive producer rights and throwing away most of the material already recorded up to that point. -- This tweet is believed to be about Dr. Luke. Charli XCX was in the studio with Luke and Ricky Reed on this day. Ricky Reed ended up deleting the photo (linked in this article) he tweeted showing them all in the studio that day. Charli ended up shading Luke on Sucker. -- Bebe Rexha has never spoken about Luke directly, but spoke about how the one time she went to a Dr. Luke session at his studio. Most of the other songwriters were men, many were just there to party and get high, and she found the general atmosphere uncomfortable. She recalled a male writer who was there was told her to "write our song already" and that he was going to "go downstairs to drink" while she did the work for them. This HuffPo article summarizes her Cosmo UK interview where she says Pebe Sebert came up to her at a party around 2013 and just said "Don't do it" and Bebe realized she meant working with Dr. Luke and Bebe refers to that moment as some of the best advice she's ever gotten. -- Most of the comments about Luke dry up after Kesha went public with her claims, as he then shifted to a closer circle of producers (often falling out with the usual younger producers he would work with [Benny Blanco] or ending up being sued by them over publishing [Ammo]). So now a lot of his producers are this kind of frat house of guys he keeps in a roster (Aaron Joseph, Lil Aaron, Ryan OG, Rocco Valdes, and somewhat Vaughn Oliver). And then artists these people often work with: Kim Petras, Lourdiz, Baby E, etc. See: When Kim was getting heat and that Baby E guy was commenting in some Kim Petras discord that Kesha's a *****, Kesha's a liar, Luke is innocent, Kim is awesome, etc. Baby E went on to call Ava Max a "*****" and said she was why Cirkut no longer worked with Luke, framing this negatively (Ava was Cirkut's long-time girlfriend at the time of this incident). Mind boggling to see it all laid out like this Edited June 26 by gettsleazy 3
WaterDiamonds Posted June 26 Posted June 26 12 minutes ago, gettsleazy said: Mind boggling to see it all laid out like this Tbh, I'm still processing some stuff said there, and many things are just deeply disturbing, because all of his movements seemed so calculated, and when he didn't get his way he resorted to violence, that could either be verbal or physical, which is something Kesha had said many times, everything said there aligns perfectly with her accusations, and I'm sure there's more information out there that we don't know that just corroborates it more and more... I wish more people would've come forward when they could've done it to pressure his arse before he had no choice but to settle, virtually unpunished... 2
TomTom Posted June 26 Posted June 26 (edited) 6 hours ago, Communion said: Avril Lavigne has not commented on Luke publicly, but: She also signed an affidavit in support of Kesha that her deciding not to work with him anymore had nothing to do with Kesha, but rather her own experiences with Dr. Luke. 6 hours ago, Communion said: Britney Spears has not commented on Luke publicly, but: Luke also unsuccessfully tried to force Kesha to sign with Larry Rudolph as her manager back in 2005 to basically keep her completely in check and prevent her from telling anyone about the rape incident. More: Becky G filed a lawsuit against Dr. Luke in 2018/2019 that exposed how he tried to blackmail her into promoting his water brand CORE everywhere or otherwise he would ruin her career. Producers J Kash and Ammo filed respective lawsuits against Prescription Songs and KMI in 2018 and 2020, exposing how Luke tries to "indefinitely" extend the terms of the contracts of the artists and producers he signed to never let go of anyone and keep everyone under his thumb forever (on terms that are favorable to him). Bonnie McKee said a deal with Dr. Luke is like "a deal with the Devil" and that his deals are "famously bad". Quote I had so much on the line. I was dealing with Dr. Luke and Max Martin and all of these big names and complicated contracts and like kind of manipulative crazy people and I just needed to have my head on straight because I was easy to be taken advantage of." "I don't think there's anything I could've done differently. I think I got the best deal that I could've gotten at the time. I was nobody. I had nothing going on and Luke took a chance on me. Luke's deals are famously bad. Everybody knows that. It's fine. He's a brilliant businessman so he's getting his. And he gave me my career. I felt it was a bit of a deal with the devil. But most of these deals are. It's just that the face changes. https://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/105618181.html? Edited June 26 by TomTom 3
Stepfon Posted July 14 Posted July 14 On 6/19/2024 at 9:16 AM, KatyPrismSpirit said: Do you actually believe that anybody cares about him producing her song outside of pop forums? WELL, I see we have the answer to this question... 13
Wewee Posted July 14 Posted July 14 On 6/19/2024 at 2:05 PM, Buzzcutseason said: its starting What is starting exactly ? 4
Pepo Posted July 14 Posted July 14 On 6/26/2024 at 5:36 AM, Communion said: I believe @TomTom or @Vixen Eyes might know more about anything that has been revealed in court docs (the main document I had spent time reading was Kelly's unsealed deposition), but basically: Kelly Clarkson hates him for: Harassing her fans online on an MSN message board-then-forum called Kelly Clarkson Express, calling her a liar for saying she helped w/ Since U Been Gone; Lying to Clive Davis, claiming that "Behind These Hazel Eyes" was his work when Kelly wrote nearly all of the lyrics; Being a weirdo commenting about her body and calling "Never Again" a flop, tracking its radio updates, on Pulse Music Board; Writing "My Life Would Suck Without You" as an insult/diss to her at Clive Davis' request, with Kelly confirming RCA wouldn't put out the album if they didn't put out Luke's song as the lead (she's since used the words "blackmailed into working with Dr. Luke") despite already knowing at the time he was being a weirdo and ****-talking her online and lying to Clive Davis about her involvement in songs; Her quotes from her unsealed 2018 deposition: -- P!nk's hatred of him starts with: It being obvious he re-used production from other songs (for The Veronicas, Kelis) on the songs he produced on I'm Not Dead; He, like with Kelly, spent his days as a hitmaker producer ****-talking her on Pulse Music Boards. He literally had singles lined up with her (Who Knew, U + Ur Hand) yet was complaining that she pushed for Stupid Girls to be the lead. Tracked its radio updates and said it was flopping and that her label was dumb for listening to her, saying the last time she got to have her say (Try This) she "flopped then too". Butch Walker, P!nk's friend and frequent producer, wrote a memoir called Drinking With Strangers that's meant to be a spoof tell-all about Hollywood. All the names are changed and it's disclaimed as just inspired by true events. There's a section where he describes how a female pop star friend confronts a producer named "Larry" (described as: "some coke-pushing loser who wears Adidas tracksuits") over an issue with re-used songs at a club that led to a physical fight between the two after "Larry" physically threatened her. This incident is believed to allegedly be about P!nk. P!nk about Luke in a 2017 interview with New York Times: -- Avril Lavigne has not commented on Luke publicly, but: Butch Walker's same memoir describes an unnamed producer taking a very famous sample he and another female pop star were working on and using it to make another song despite Butch working to get the sample cleared. The female pop star is described as someone Butch was extremely close with and worked for years with. This alleged incident is believed to be about Avril Lavigne, with Walker producing multiple singles off of Under My Skin. The situation is described in the memoir as "Larry" pressuring the female singer to take over her project, saying how he has the 3 current biggest songs on radio at the moment, and that Butch doesn't want her to succeed. The singer's band tells Butch about the song and it ends with the female pop singer bursting in tears over the phone to Butch that she was sorry that their friendship almost ended over the song and "Larry". -- Britney Spears has not commented on Luke publicly, but: Bloodshy of the production duo Bloodshy & Avant had commented that the A&R process for Femme Fatale was very different from their usual experiences with Britney and had convinced them they'd likely never end up working with Britney again due to how unprofessional some of the process was. I remember seeing a quote about songs being tweaked / changed without his knowledge if a Britney fan can remember where I saw Bloodshy mentioning that. I also believe Willam Orbit had made similar comments that Femme Fatale was an unenjoyable process due to Dr. Luke being given full executive producer rights and throwing away most of the material already recorded up to that point. -- This tweet is believed to be about Dr. Luke. Charli XCX was in the studio with Luke and Ricky Reed on this day. Ricky Reed ended up deleting the photo (linked in this article) he tweeted showing them all in the studio that day. Charli ended up shading Luke on Sucker. -- Bebe Rexha has never spoken about Luke directly, but spoke about how the one time she went to a Dr. Luke session at his studio. Most of the other songwriters were men, many were just there to party and get high, and she found the general atmosphere uncomfortable. She recalled a male writer who was there was told her to "write our song already" and that he was going to "go downstairs to drink" while she did the work for them. This HuffPo article summarizes her Cosmo UK interview where she says Pebe Sebert came up to her at a party around 2013 and just said "Don't do it" and Bebe realized she meant working with Dr. Luke and Bebe refers to that moment as some of the best advice she's ever gotten. -- Most of the comments about Luke dry up after Kesha went public with her claims, as he then shifted to a closer circle of producers (often falling out with the usual younger producers he would work with [Benny Blanco] or ending up being sued by them over publishing [Ammo]). So now a lot of his producers are this kind of frat house of guys he keeps in a roster (Aaron Joseph, Lil Aaron, Ryan OG, Rocco Valdes, and somewhat Vaughn Oliver). And then artists these people often work with: Kim Petras, Lourdiz, Baby E, etc. See: When Kim was getting heat and that Baby E guy was commenting in some Kim Petras discord that Kesha's a *****, Kesha's a liar, Luke is innocent, Kim is awesome, etc. Baby E went on to call Ava Max a "*****" and said she was why Cirkut no longer worked with Luke, framing this negatively (Ava was Cirkut's long-time girlfriend at the time of this incident). Not surprisingly, Doja hates him either.
Tistotal Posted July 14 Posted July 14 On 6/25/2024 at 12:39 PM, TomTom said: This is Daily Mail, so this article should possibly be taken with a grain of salt, but I'd totally believe this anyways. I hope a more reputable source like Billboard or Rolling Stone picks this up. This isn't true according to @Communion. Wasn't Chris who reunited her with Luke?
Stepfon Posted September 22 Posted September 22 On 6/19/2024 at 9:16 AM, KatyPrismSpirit said: Do you actually believe that anybody cares about him producing her song outside of pop forums? I see we REALLY have the answer to this question now. 3
AshleyLovescats887 Posted September 22 Posted September 22 1 hour ago, Junlin said: So which track was ghost-produced by Max Martin. Probably 'GORGEOUS', because he's credited on the song 1
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