MardinBeksloy Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 8 minutes ago, chiliam said: Lol this is so funny. You guys really want reputation tv to be the biggest album of all time. The overtime free promo is insane. Keep them coming. Swifties and Taylor just need to sit back and cackle. You're not wrong. Some users will not be yapping in the TS12 first week debut thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da Vinci Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 It really is ironic though that Taylor's biggest weakness is her performing skills and yet the root of all this mass hysteria around her is her concert tour, I can see how that could cause cognitive dissonance esp to her haters Hits (the more the better), relatability, marketability, a narrative, attractive visuals > performing skills I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffy Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 The level of hate she's getting is giving 1989 energy. She's global and doing something right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiqui4eva Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 There's a special place in hell for that Kira account 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kavish Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 What exactly is the point of this thread other than getting Taylor dragged again for the same topic again. We all know she isn't a good dancer, and we all know Twitter drags her for not being a good dancer. These threads are therefore redundant at this point and only a vessel for the same group of people to spew the same discourse they did in the same thread that was made before it. I think it's time to regulate Taylor Swift threads. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nido Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 Oh Rep TV can't come soon enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Life Savers Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 Some of you need a hobby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Than A Melody Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 6 hours ago, Cbreezy said: LMAO! There's a part of me that finds her so inoffensive that wants to just say: hey, her fans like her/her output, so let her live. BUT... I think my gripe is the somewhat engineered mass hysteria that surrounds her. It's literally not warranted. Like the tweets capture, she doesn't do any one thing at an exceptional level. Not singing, not dancing, not nothing. Even if we wanted to make it about the songs or the songwriting, I wish that the hoopla around her was centered on THAT. Even though I still wouldn't be among that mass, it would contextually make more...sense. Every other act over history that has garnered the kind of response/media hoopla Taylor has now possessed a TALENT or SPECIAL SOMETHING that warranted it. MJ, Prince, The Beatles, Madonna etc. Taylor just does not compare, and it's not even a generation thing. Because realistically the main person carrying that "justifying the hype" baton in today's age is Beyonce. In many ways, from a MPG perspective, I'm so annoyed that the likes of Britney and Xtina's trajectories did not lead to what Taylor is experiencing. Because, with acts like them, it would make way more...sense. What I will give Taylor is that she's a master marketeer. If anything, that's her special sauce. It's just that it would hit so much more if she was marketing something...deserving. There's a whole race, palatability, girl-next-door, Goldilocks, and did I say race? angle to her success that I don't think most are ready to discuss. But go awff sis lol. I'm often branded a hater because I do not like her and do not understand what people see on her. I find her songwriting trite, overly wordy for no reason, and bordering on confusing with metaphors that stack on top of each other. She obviously can't dance. She's a mediocre to bad vocalist (she's not terrible, like Selena, but she's not even decent, like Dua). Her tone of voice isn't interesting or rich, it's non-descript generic. Despite being a musician for 20 years she can't play guitar or piano proficiently, she doesn't even do barre chords. Her musicality is overwhelmingly mediocre, if that's a term that makes sense. She doesn't innovate, she uses the same four chords over and over, and I get it, I understand that that's the pop standard, but the average popstar does try, at least to have interesting tracks. If not the singles, like, if the singles are radio friendly music by the numbers, then you have a few interesting deep cuts that show you that they care about it. Her songs are so littered with paragraphs that they don't let the instruments breathe. You don't get interesting solos or instrumentals, for the most part (I'm sure there's some exceptions, there has to be, especially in her back catalogue, I'm talking in general terms). She doesn't do anything new, interesting, or artsy with her outfits, she doesn't do anything interesting or artsy with her music videos. Fortnight is basically just based on The 1975, which makes it more interesting than her previous work, but listening to her describe Anti-Hero and why she vomits glitter in that video, for instance, I could see that there was nothing behind anything. Despite her constant "easter eggs" all of them are so puddle deep, just like her metaphors, just like her visuals, just like her album art, and her styling. She's risk-free in all senses. Like she surrounded her career in bubble wrap and played every single move she could, safe. Like I have said in other threads, though, I'm aware of the fact that her mass appeal means I'm probably wrong. I don't think I'm more intelligent or more capable of appreciating art, or more anything than her millions of fans. I must accept that despite me not understanding what anyone can see in an artist like this, not to like, bop to a song or two, because that's perfectly understandable, but to be a hardcore stan, she does have that fanbase, and she must be doing something right that I'm simply not able to grasp. There's something about the goldilocks effect that you mention that's kinda making things click. Some people truly appreciate that safe middle ground on every aspect. I will say that I think it's wrong to act like people who want that from an artist are somehow lesser than those of us who don't see the appeal and don't get it, though. Art is subjective. She's not for me, and that's okay. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamanearthling Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 Oh wow. The THOTs have lost it. Oh Taylor. She stays bothering you guys. It's all kinds of funny. Lols Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgos Groove Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 (edited) 33 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said: She's risk-free in all senses. Like she surrounded her career in bubble wrap and played every single move she could, safe. I actually like her (sometimes), but this is 100% true, and why I resent the hold she has on pop music rn. She is more corporation than artist at this point. Every little step is calculated to the nth degree, any edge is sanded off for maximum appeal, any risk that might piss off her fanbase is averted. Even her "risky!11!" album, Folklore, had to basically be dragged out of her by the GP. When you compare her to the greats, it just doesn't make sense. Stevie and Prince were musical geniuses. The Beatles' golden run was unparaleled, with a string of capital-C classic albums in an era where the "album" was still a recent thing. MJ was a God-tier performer and a pop craftsman, opening doors for Black artists in the MTV era. Madonna and Janet, despite not being "vocalists" in the standard sense, were risk-takers through and through, who were never afraid to piss off their fanbases. Imagine Taylor doing a Papa Don't Preach or a Rhythm Nation... actually, you can't imagine, because she would NEVER. Also, I do think, even if unintentionally, she is starting to represent a certain rising "conservativism" or at least "controlled liberalism" (see: YNTCD) in the pop scene. When Madonna did her Rio show, a ton of people (many of which Swifties) were posting stuff "Madonna just turned me conservative" or "This is why nobody likes gays", etc. Is this entirely anecdotal? Yes. But she is vanilla through and through, and I think that has become expected from A-list pop stars precisely because of her popularity. So when a pop star like Madonna, Beyoncé, etc., takes a risk, they all turn into little Nancy Reagans. Edited June 18 by Virgos Groove 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Phoenix Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 The tide turned again!!! People are sick and tired of her gimmicks and there's a burnout feeling about her, it's sickening and people are starting to realize 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popboi. Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 6 minutes ago, Dark Phoenix said: The tide turned again!!! People are sick and tired of her gimmicks and there's a burnout feeling about her, it's sickening and people are starting to realize Other than the messy gays that always hated her, this is not true in the slightest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgos Groove Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Jay07 said: Interesting. I do think a lot of gen z is very prudish and anti-sex and that correlates with the music scene being very safe and chaste. Taylor, Olivia, Sabrina are all very very vanilla. No one rocks the boat anymore. Swifties are constantly being homophobic towards Charli fans and calling them "popper gays" while they insist on permanently living in a heteronomative high school fantasy where they date the quarterback but never actually have sex. I wonder if the tides will turn onto something bolder and mature again or it will just be virgins covered in cat hair forever. Honestly, I think the abundance of porn available in the internet era has destroyed people's idea of how intimacy can be represented in music and cinema (see: the sex scene discourse that resurfaces every three months ) and made them reject any representation of sex whatsoever. We still have queer artists like Sam, Troye and Lil Nas rocking the boat, but the straights are heading into Reagan-era puritanism. They need a modern-day I Want Your Sex to remind them that, hey, sex is actually okay! (And yes, I know George is gay, but nobody knew that at the time.) Edited June 18 by Virgos Groove Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TayDuaStan Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 2 hours ago, Nido said: Oh Rep TV can't come soon enough She'll probably announce it this coming weekend, during her Wembley dates. Perfect timing honestly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirrtydiana Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 3 hours ago, Da Vinci said: It really is ironic though that Taylor's biggest weakness is her performing skills and yet the root of all this mass hysteria around her is her concert tour, I can see how that could cause cognitive dissonance esp to her haters Hits (the more the better), relatability, marketability, a narrative, attractive visuals > performing skills I guess But you're missing the entire point of the drags going viral people are waking up to the scam. Like what did they pay for exactly? and it can't even be the wRiTinG as people are waking up to that too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dei Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 when did americas sweetheart become the most hated celeb on the planet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gui Blackout Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 (edited) 16 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said: But you're missing the entire point of the drags going viral people are waking up to the scam. Like what did they pay for exactly? and it can't even be the wRiTinG as people are waking up to that too Who exactly is "the people" you speak of? Twitter/tiktok stans who never liked her in the first place? Surely if there's this massive uprising against her, we would be seeing the effects on her numbers, sales and concerts, no? And yet... nothing? Edited June 18 by Gui Blackout 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zuper Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 5 minutes ago, Dei said: when did americas sweetheart become the most hated celeb on the planet? Never. Her haters are just getting louder while she has the most successful tour of all time and is still #1 in the charts. OTH are like toddlers, screaming endlessly „mediocrity" as if there wish will become true. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Problematique Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 Is there any way one can ban the words "Taylor" ,"swift" , and "swifties".. I'm tired of hearing about her? Mods?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALA Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 (edited) Lather rinse repeat on her public image, its predictable too bad this won't make her concert tickets magically be easier to get The people who think she's "mediocre" are gonna hate her no matter what, what's new. Edited June 18 by ALA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirrtydiana Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 23 minutes ago, Gui Blackout said: Who exactly is "the people" you speak of? Twitter/tiktok stans who never liked her in the first place? Surely if there's this massive uprising against her, we would be seeing the effects on her numbers, sales and concerts, no? And yet... nothing? I know numbers are all you guys can talk about but I didn't mention them. I just said people are waking up to the scam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwiftLover Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 Is this supposed to impact something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainwreck Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 Hate her all you want, make 1989 viral tweets about her, reputation TV is about to decimate each and every existing metric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainwreck Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 40 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said: I know numbers are all you guys can talk about but I didn't mention them. I just said people are waking up to the scam And by people you mean the same bunch of homosexuals who already disliked her because she blocked their mediocre faves? This has ZERO impact on her success/appeal and it's so funny the way you're STILL TRYING to make it seem as such. She's not Britney Spears, she won't stoop that low 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patient Zero Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 Yeah, this hate is getting stale. She's can't sing/dance/perform. We get it!! Let this woman be mediocre in peace! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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