celeb news Taylor's songwriting skills are questioned in massive viral tweet

[dirrtydiana]

19 minutes ago, PoisonedIvy said:

It's the writing. People aren't attached to marketing. Marketing merely conditions exposure. It does not guarantee consumption. 

This is false. Aside from her real fans, most of the people filling her shows don't know most of the songs. Nor do they care to as they mostly go to vibe and the production. As far as streaming, she has way too many releases and they're too wordy for the average person

[PoisonedIvy]

1 minute ago, dirrtydiana said:

This is false. Aside from her real fans, most of the people filing her shows don't know made of the songs. Nor do they care to as they mostly go to vibe and the production.

Girl, what, you LITERALLY just made this up. There is no way to accurately compile data of this nature, nor should you be presenting it as a fact.

 

2 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said:

As far as streaming, she has way too many releases and they're too wordy for the average person

Again, this is an anecdote that is not supported by the empirical evidence. If her music was "too wordy for the average person" she would not consistently have the most (or second most) unique monthly listeners on Spotify. She, quite literally, reaches the average listener at a higher rate than any other artist. Not all 105M of those unique monthly listeners are "hardcore fans" that you guys think of when it comes to her. She has GP appeal, and that's why she's able to sell out stadiums in every continent. Pretending otherwise is asinine and ludicrous. 

[TayDuaStan]

Saying Taylor's songwriting is bad while stanning those types of lyrics: 

"Sexy, confident / So intelligent

She is heaven sent / So soft / So strong" 

or 

"Bye Bye / Boy Bye / Bye Bye / Boy Bye / It's over, it's over"

or 

"Yada, yada, yah, yada, yada, yah-yah
Yada, yada, yada, bom-bom, kah-kah"

or 

"I used to never think about Billboard
But, now, I've started thinking again
Wondering 'bout whether I think I deserve commercial success" 

 

 

 

Edited June 18 by TayDuaStan

[dirrtydiana]

5 minutes ago, PoisonedIvy said:

Girl, what, you LITERALLY just made this up. There is no way to accurately compile data of this nature, nor should you be presenting it as a fact.

 

Again, this is an anecdote that is not supported by the empirical evidence. If her music was "too wordy for the average person" she would not consistently have the most (or second most) unique monthly listeners on Spotify. She, quite literally, reaches the average listener at a higher rate than any other artist. Not all 105M of those unique monthly listeners are "hardcore fans" that you guys think of when it comes to her. She has GP appeal, and that's why she's able to sell out stadiums in every continent. Pretending otherwise is asinine and ludicrous. 

Oh wow I really pushed some sensitive buttons here by passing on some info I see in the real world didn't I? I made that observation because a friend took me to her show. If you go to her show you can immediately tell who's an actual fan. When you ask people what they liked about her show, the response is immediately "the production." 
 

and how are you going to claim you know what the millions of people streaming are thinking? Of course her numbers went up, her catalog is super bloated. It's simple math yet the fact that she doesn't have a classic or an actual hit since the 1989 era tells us everything.

 

if you're a fan, none of this should bother or matter to you because you enjoy her music. These are just observations 

[PoisonedIvy]

2 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said:

Oh wow I really pushed some sensitive buttons here by passing on some info I see in the real world didn't I? I made that observation because a friend took me to her show. If you go to her show you can immediately tell who's an actual fan. When you ask people what they liked about her show, the response is immediately "the production." 
 

and how are you going to claim you know what the millions of people streaming are thinking? Of course her numbers went up, her catalog is super bloated. It's simple math yet the fact that she doesn't have a classic or an actual hit since the 1989 era tells us everything.

 

if you're a fan, none of this should bother or matter to you because you enjoy her music. These are just observations 

It doesn't matter, I do enjoy her music, and I won't enjoy it any less. Your observations are just unfounded rubbish, and me pointing that out has no bearing on my state of being. No buttons were pushed, I am a man of logic not emotion. Your illogical statements have been refuted and I have nothing further to express to you. Your statements are asinine. Period point blank

[dirrtydiana]

4 minutes ago, TayDuaStan said:

Saying Taylor's songwriting is bad while stanning those types of lyrics: 

"Sexy, confident / So intelligent

She is heaven sent / So soft / So strong" 

or 

"Bye Bye / Boy Bye / Bye Bye / Boy Bye / It's over, it's over"

or 

"Yada, yada, yah, yada, yada, yah-yah
Yada, yada, yada, bom-bom, kah-kah"

or 

"I used to never think about Billboard
But, now, I've started thinking again
Wondering 'bout whether I think I deserve commercial success" 

 

 

 

You know music and writing isn't about being wordy and lengthy "story telling" or words pulled out from the thesaurus right?

 

Ariana's song or music is mostly about the melodies, music and sounds of her voice. She could hum gibberish and she'd still make something beautiful 

 

people were already dragged in the other thread about that beyonce part. It's called vibing. She's expressing a feeling and passing it on to listeners. And needless to say it's a common thing in that genre 

[dirrtydiana]

2 minutes ago, PoisonedIvy said:

unfounded rubbish

According to whom?

 

2 minutes ago, PoisonedIvy said:

illogical statements have been refuted

Where? And how are they illogical? When in fact it is illogical to claim that the average person has the time and energy to consume and process her 13 albums and 7 re releases

 

Nothing about the real world factual observations have any emotion to them. They're hard cold facts. 

[PoisonedIvy]

Just now, dirrtydiana said:

According to whom?

 

The nature of observation in the scientific method. There is no official data, no primary or secondary sources compiled into verifiable statistics, nothing. Just a claim asserted by you. It's a hypothesis at best, unfounded rubbish at worst.

 

1 minute ago, dirrtydiana said:

Where? And how are they illogical? When in fact it is illogical to claim that the average person has the time and energy to consume and process her 13 albums and 7 re releases

 

Nothing about the real world factual observations have any emotion to them. They're hard cold facts. 

This nonsense really isn't even worth my time. Her listeners do not listen to her entire catalogue, her streams are a cumulative collection of the individual listening habits of millions of people. I'm not making the claim that "everyone who listens to her listens to her entire catalogue" because that is absurd and wildly improbable. It's much more probable to assert that everyone listens to the parts of her catalogue they enjoy, with a smaller percentage dedicated to listening to her entire catalogue. You're absolutely right that very few people would be capable of listening to her entire catalogue, nowhere did I try to claim otherwise. That does -not- support your original assertation — that her "music is too wordy for the general population" and "most of the people filling her shows don't know the words to her songs."
 

If you are even REMOTELY familiar with Taylor swift as an artist and her relationship to her fanbase, you'd understand that they are dedicated to her deep cuts and her lyricism in a manner that was unprecedented for pop stars. It's literally how All Too Well maintained its status as a cult classic, an anthem that was sung along to for years and years before it got reappraised as her magnum opus. The fans that attend her show have -always- known the lyrics to her music, even the deep cuts, at an astounding rate. And any formal research into this would prove as much.
 

Hell, You can literally watch videos on TikTok of people Singing along to decade old deep cuts like "Crazier" in random European countries during this summer run of the eras tour. 

[dirrtydiana]

2 minutes ago, PoisonedIvy said:

This nonsense really isn't even worth my time.

*Proceeds to write a lengthy redundant post*
 

I presented the observation and then presented facts backing up my claim.

 

every pop star has dedicated fans who know their deep cuts, it isn't a special case for her so there's no point of bringing that up. And I'm not even a casual fan but I know "crazier"

[Daddy]

12 hours ago, PoisonedIvy said:

HER DOWNFALL IS IMMINENT!!! JUST YOU WAIT GUYS!! ANY DAY NOW!!! THE GENERAL PUBLIC IS WAKING UP!!! HISTORY WILL NOT REMEMBER HER!!!! HER WRITING IS MEDIOCRE, SHE CAN'T DANCE OR SING AND HER FANS ARE SHEEP!!! I MUST MAKE THIS ABUNDANTLY CLEAR BY SHOUTING IT FROM THE ROOFTOPS LOUDLY AND FREQUENTLY!!!

Very Artpop of you 

[PoisonedIvy]

3 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said:

*Proceeds to write a lengthy redundant post*
 

I presented the observation and then presented facts backing up my claim.

 

every pop star has dedicated fans who know their deep cuts, it isn't a special case for her so there's no point of bringing that up. And I'm not even a casual fan but I know "crazier"

correct, it wasn't worth my time but I took the time to refute it anyway. You have presented no facts whatsoever. None. You stating "i attended the eras tour and observed this" holds no merit, if it did I could refute it with the inverse. "I also attended the eras tour and observed the contrary." We are at an impasse until we assess empirical evidence. Which you have none. So your hypothesis falls flat on its face.

 

I'm not saying she's special for having fans that know her deep cuts, you are the one asserting the people at her concerts do not know them. You're losing the plot.

[makeme]

Average songwriter with the best marketing team on the planet. 

[dirrtydiana]

1 minute ago, PoisonedIvy said:

correct, it wasn't worth my time but I took the time to refute it anyway. You have presented no facts whatsoever. None. You stating "i attended the eras tour and observed this" holds no merit, if it did I could refute it with the inverse. "I also attended the eras tour and observed the contrary." We are at an impasse until we assess empirical evidence. Which you have none. So your hypothesis falls flat on its face.

 

I'm not saying she's special for having fans that know her deep cuts, you are the one asserting the people at her concerts do not know them. You're losing the plot.

You didn't refute anything your atrl post does not negate the experience and data I gathered. And like I said before, when you ask around you get the same answer. 
 

You're the one (who as a fan are understandably biased) who has presented zero evidence of your claims. 
 

fact remains her writing is unnecessary lengthy word vomit the average joe cannot and will not even relate to. Or are you going to claim people feel her when she's talking about her famous celebrity exes? 
And this also applies to other McDonald like acts like drake and bad bunny.

[Headlock]

51 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said:

This is false. Aside from her real fans, most of the people filling her shows don't know most of the songs. 

You just made this up 

[Headlock]

"The facts and data I gathered!1"

 

Posts an anecdotal story and presents it as objective fact 

[dirrtydiana]

1 minute ago, Headlock said:

You just made this up 

Go asks the next 5 people you know went to her show and see for yourself 

 

[Headlock]

Just now, dirrtydiana said:

Go asks the next 5 people you know went to her show and see for yourself 

 

Let me guess, if they knew ~most of her songs~ and didn't talk about the production you would classify them as Swifties. It's almost like your criteria is formed to get the result you want

 

[dirrtydiana]

1 minute ago, Headlock said:

"The facts and data I gathered!1"

 

Posts an anecdotal story and presents it as objective fact 

Now you're just twisting words.

 

its a fact I went to the show

its a fact I noticed most people around me not knowing the words

its a fact that every person who have also attended her show I've encountered all say the same thing

 

like I said, if you don't believe it you're welcome to try it and see for yourself 🤷‍♀️ 

 

 

[Headlock]

Just now, dirrtydiana said:

Now you're just twisting words.

 

its a fact I went to the show

its a fact I noticed most people around me not knowing the words

its a fact that every person who have also attended her show I've encountered all say the same thing

 

like I said, if you don't believe it you're welcome to try it and see for yourself 🤷‍♀️ 

 

 

I can do that too!

 

~Its a fact~ that I also went to the show

~Its a fact~ that I noticed most people around me did know the words to most of the songs

~Its a fact~ that every person who have also attended her show I've encountered all say the same thing

 

The solipsism some of y'all possess is truly incredible 

[dirrtydiana]

1 minute ago, Headlock said:

I can do that too!

 

~Its a fact~ that I also went to the show

~Its a fact~ that I noticed most people around me did know the words to most of the songs

~Its a fact~ that every person who have also attended her show I've encountered all say the same thing

 

The solipsism some of y'all possess is truly incredible 

Except you know damn well that's not the truth

 

[Feanor]

1 minute ago, dirrtydiana said:

Now you're just twisting words.

 

its a fact I went to the show

its a fact I noticed most people around me not knowing the words

its a fact that every person who have also attended her show I've encountered all say the same thing

 

like I said, if you don't believe it you're welcome to try it and see for yourself 🤷‍♀️ 

 

 

I also went to a show on this and previous tours and every time most people in the seats around me knew all the words. In fact, it's the same case with all of my casual friends who've attended her shows over the years and who said they experienced the exact same thing.

 

Based on this observation and the factual data I've gathered and brought up, it seems very much true that the public relates to her lyrics.

 

[Chris]

These "massive viral threads" recently.

 

[dirrtydiana]

1 minute ago, Feanor said:

I also went to a show on this and previous tours and every time most people in the seats around me knew all the words. In fact, it's the same case with all of my casual friends who've attended her shows over the years and who said they experienced the exact same thing.

 

Based on this observation and the factual data I've gathered and brought up, it seems very much true that the public relates to her lyrics.

 

Well, I can't argue with facts

 

 

[Headlock]

10 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said:

Except you know damn well that's not the truth

 

 

And how do I know that your anecdote is the truth? See how that works?

 

[Chris]

That tweet is so cringe.