Josh Posted July 12 Posted July 12 1 minute ago, shimind said: Doja is benefiting from her skin colour and race she belongs to. They know that a black woman cant be dragged else the one dragging her will be called racist etc so its easy to pick on katy because she's a white woman. Poor her. I feel so bad for her. Doja is a mixed woman with a white parent shes not black
LegaMyth Posted July 12 Posted July 12 I mean, she did a song with a man who's been accused of multiple heinous crimes towards women prior to recording a sing titled Women's World. This is basic math. Plus, Katy is a veteran in the industry. Yes, she may be contractually obligated to work either him. That does not mean it has to be a single.
imason Posted July 12 Posted July 12 (edited) Because Doja contractually obligated Katy isn't that's the difference… come on don't act dumb fr. Also Katy had to be summoned to court for Kesha case and has still chooses to work with him after. Doja and the other ones who have worked with him weren't involved in the Kesha case. It's a lot of valid reasons why Katy is getting dragged so yall need to stop acting like it's for no reason. Edited July 12 by imason Typos
jordanjm Posted July 12 Posted July 12 Doja, Kim, and the others all get dragged. Doja and Kim less than the others because there was a difference in power dynamics. Katy, as much as it may dismay some, has power in the industry and has choices on who to work with. She is in a place in her career where she had a choice and chose wrong. And I know the Kats looove to bring up the Gaga collab with R Kelly, but even for that she apologized and wiped the song from physical and digital copies of artpop. the industry is crawling with creeps and mistakes can be made, but Katy is doing this now, seemingly with pride.
KingJay Posted July 12 Posted July 12 Doja releases good music, Katy hasn't in almost a decade, sad huh. Oh except for Harleys in Hawaii. Now that song is top tier
Attitude Posted July 12 Posted July 12 People might have been able to overlook it if the music was good. It's not.
glitch Posted July 12 Posted July 12 1 hour ago, shimind said: Doja is benefiting from her skin colour and race she belongs to. They know that a black woman cant be dragged else the one dragging her will be called racist etc so its easy to pick on katy because she's a white woman. Poor her. I feel so bad for her. This is the worst trolling I've seen for a while...
Communion Posted July 12 Posted July 12 I hope yall know these threads where yall play dumb only makes the resentment grow that people have for Katy for platforming a rapist. 1
ugo Posted July 12 Posted July 12 At least Doja has the the integrity not to make a feminist song with dr Luke anyway Nicki, doja and Kim all got backlash but Katy is having more because remember she's supposed to be "woke"
ThePopStop Posted July 12 Posted July 12 2 hours ago, TomTom said: Rather than agreeing to let Kesha go, Dr. Luke kept fighting aggressively to not let Kesha out of her contract despite not working with him and opted to sue Kesha for damages for every album she did not work with him. 2 hours ago, Illuminati said: She did, her last album had no Dr Luke songs Katy's court deposition revealed she had a 3 album contract with Dr Luke, it seems that Doja had that too, since she changed producers the moment she started working on her fourth one. I thought Luke counter sued for defamation because of the whole Gaga incident and Kesha telling others that Katy was assaulted too? I think Sony's compromise was that Kesha didn't have to work with Dr. Luke anymore, including creative control, but that Luke would still profit from all of her releases since they'd still be under Kemosabe. I don't think Katy ever had a contract with Luke. That's why she was able to not work with him on Witness without a mess. Doja was signed to Luke's label and had to work with him. Once she gained industry respect and success from Planet Her, she probably had enough creative freedom to not work with him despite still being signed to his label.
Illuminati Posted July 12 Posted July 12 (edited) 8 minutes ago, ThePopStop said: I thought Luke counter sued for defamation because of the whole Gaga incident and Kesha telling others that Katy was assaulted too? I think Sony's compromise was that Kesha didn't have to work with Dr. Luke anymore, including creative control, but that Luke would still profit from all of her releases since they'd still be under Kemosabe. I don't think Katy ever had a contract with Luke. That's why she was able to not work with him on Witness without a mess. Doja was signed to Luke's label and had to work with him. Once she gained industry respect and success from Planet Her, she probably had enough creative freedom to not work with him despite still being signed to his label. No those text messages were private and only got revealed in court when they were already having a legal battle. Dr Luke's team dragged Katy, Kelly I believe and Gaga into court against their will and forced private conversations to be revealed Katy in her testimony also revealed she had a 3 album deal with Dr Luke, that's partially why she didn't work with him on Witness, but she also said it was because she didn't want to pick a side during the legal battle (her words). Doja also stopped working with Dr Luke immediately after 3 albums, so my conclusion was that it was a contract too, but we don't know that. The damning part is that Katy could be working with Max Martin or literally anyone but she returned to Dr Luke Edited July 12 by Illuminati
Sannie Posted July 12 Posted July 12 Let me get this straight... When Kats were LYING about Katy being "forced to work with Dr. Luke," you all totally understood that and accepted it. But when someone is ACTUALLY contractually obligated to work with him, like Doja was, you guys suddenly need someone to "make it make sense"? This isn't rocket science. 2 hours ago, vale9001 said: And this Is still doesn't explain your personal hypocrisy of streaming dr. Luke stuff depends on the artist. You explained Katy hypocrisy. What about yours? Trying to equate a regular consumer streaming a Dr. Luke song to a mega millionaire choosing to work with him... is ridiculous. Do you guys realize how ridiculous this sounds? 1 1
TomTom Posted July 12 Posted July 12 (edited) 10 minutes ago, ThePopStop said: I thought Luke counter sued for defamation because of the whole Gaga incident and Kesha telling others that Katy was assaulted too? I think Sony's compromise was that Kesha didn't have to work with Dr. Luke anymore, including creative control, but that Luke would still profit from all of her releases since they'd still be under Kemosabe. I don't think Katy ever had a contract with Luke. That's why she was able to not work with him on Witness without a mess. Doja was signed to Luke's label and had to work with him. Once she gained industry respect and success from Planet Her, she probably had enough creative freedom to not work with him despite still being signed to his label. It wasn't just a defamation lawsuit, he had several counts of breach of contract against Kesha as well. They just received less media attention. Also, the defamation claims revolved around Kesha's own experiences with Dr. Luke first and foremost. Everything else was a sideshow. It wasn't "Sony's compromise" because Kesha had a direct contract with Dr. Luke personally that Sony could not have influenced even if they wanted to. All Sony could do was talking Dr. Luke into letting Kesha record music without him in light of the continued backlash Sony was receiving post-Kesha's injunction motion. Dr. Luke agreed because he did not want destroy his relationship with Sony, but only reluctantly, hence why he kept suing Kesha for damages for not working with him. That Dr. Luke kept profiting off of Kesha's music is the direct result of Kesha not being able to terminate her 2005 contract with him through court intervention. It wasn't an idea Sony had. Edited July 12 by TomTom 1
Julia Fox Posted July 12 Posted July 12 The Kats must have the lower IQ of all bases like I can't stand they behavior and non existent logic and hypocrisy at all
ThePopStop Posted July 12 Posted July 12 2 minutes ago, Illuminati said: Katy in her testimony also revealed she had a 3 album deal with Dr Luke, that's partially why she didn't work with him on Witness, but she also said it was because she didn't want to pick a side during the legal battle (her words). Doja also stopped working with Dr Luke immediately after 3 albums, so my conclusion was that it was a contract too, but we don't know that. The damning part is that Katy could be working with Max Martin or literally anyone but she returned to Dr Luke That would make sense because at the time of Prism's release, Luke had a contract to only work with artists signed to Sony and Kemosabe. Luke and others released statements about working out an exclusive deal with Katy's label (Capitol) to still work with her despite that. I bet that's how a 3 album contract came into the mix with Katy. Max Martin does have writing credits on 143, but honestly his music has been very hit-or-miss. He worked on Witness and we all saw how that played out. I'm very curious to see if we will see a Max + Luke collaboration on one song because they haven't done so since Prism. And to be honest, those two together produce masterpieces.
ThePopStop Posted July 12 Posted July 12 4 minutes ago, TomTom said: It wasn't just a defamation lawsuit, he had several counts of breach of contract against Kesha as well. They just received less media attention. Also, the defamation claims revolved around Kesha's own experiences with Dr. Luke first and foremost. Everything else was a sideshow. It wasn't "Sony's compromise" because Kesha had a direct contract with Dr. Luke personally that Sony could not have influenced even if they wanted to. All Sony could do was talking Dr. Luke into letting Kesha record music without him in light of the continued backlash Sony was receiving post-Kesha's injunction motion. Dr. Luke agreed because he did not want destroy his relationship with Sony, but only reluctantly, hence why he kept suing Kesha for damages for not working with him. That Dr. Luke kept profiting off of Kesha's music is the direct result of Kesha not being able to terminate her 2005 contract with him through court intervention. It wasn't an idea Sony had. Sony is the parent record company for Luke's label Kemosabe. They absolutely could've influenced Luke, and possibly even forced him to by refusing to support or release anything else his label did. With how spiteful and horrible Luke was with everything else, I don't think he would've ever agreed to let Kesha have creative freedom unless he was forced to. He would've rather let her career die by putting her in label limbo like what happens to many other artists like Jojo.
TomTom Posted July 12 Posted July 12 4 minutes ago, ThePopStop said: Sony is the parent record company for Luke's label Kemosabe. They absolutely could've influenced Luke, and possibly even forced him to by refusing to support or release anything else his label did. With how spiteful and horrible Luke was with everything else, I don't think he would've ever agreed to let Kesha have creative freedom unless he was forced to. He would've rather let her career die by putting her in label limbo like what happens to many other artists like Jojo. I literally just said that Dr. Luke did not want to destroy his relationship with Sony and therefore agreed to stop enforcing his right to produce at least six songs on every Kesha album. Additionally, behaving otherwise would have resulted in more public backlash for him and directed the attention away from his defamation claims. However, if we're purely talking from a legal perspective, there was nothing Sony could do to somehow modify the direct 2005 contract between Kesha and Dr. Luke's production company KMI. Kesha was only signed to Sony through a separate contract KMI had with Sony in Kesha's name from 2009. She wasn't even directly signed to Sony herself. Dr. Luke quite literally "owned" Kesha at that time. Sony also publicly admitted this when being confronted with why they don't exert more pressure on Dr. Luke.
ThePopStop Posted July 12 Posted July 12 1 hour ago, TomTom said: I literally just said that Dr. Luke did not want to destroy his relationship with Sony and therefore agreed to stop enforcing his right to produce at least six songs on every Kesha album. Additionally, behaving otherwise would have resulted in more public backlash for him and directed the attention away from his defamation claims. However, if we're purely talking from a legal perspective, there was nothing Sony could do to somehow modify the direct 2005 contract between Kesha and Dr. Luke's production company KMI. Kesha was only signed to Sony through a separate contract KMI had with Sony in Kesha's name from 2009. She wasn't even directly signed to Sony herself. Dr. Luke quite literally "owned" Kesha at that time. Sony also publicly admitted this when being confronted with why they don't exert more pressure on Dr. Luke. In order for Dr. Luke to destroy his relationship with Sony, he would have to do something against their will. Which means that it was "Sony's compromise", as I already stated. Do you think Dr. Luke would care about more public backlash when his career was already halted since during that time not a single mainstream artist would work with him? If Luke cared about backlash, he could have easily released Kesha from her contract once the Free Kesha movement happened. But he was more concerned with getting payback and exerting control over Kesha to make her regret going public. Someone going to those lengths to hurt someone isn't just going to decide to give her more creative freedom out of the goodwill of his heart. His public opinion was already destroyed, so he wasn't doing it for image either. Again, as I already stated: Sony is able to heavily influence Luke to the point where it basically can be considered control. Much in the same way that Luke "controlled" Kesha despite him having no literal physical control over what comes out of her mouth. It's the same power dynamic.
TomTom Posted July 12 Posted July 12 14 minutes ago, ThePopStop said: In order for Dr. Luke to destroy his relationship with Sony, he would have to do something against their will. Which means that it was "Sony's compromise", as I already stated. Do you think Dr. Luke would care about more public backlash when his career was already halted since during that time not a single mainstream artist would work with him? If Luke cared about backlash, he could have easily released Kesha from her contract once the Free Kesha movement happened. But he was more concerned with getting payback and exerting control over Kesha to make her regret going public. Someone going to those lengths to hurt someone isn't just going to decide to give her more creative freedom out of the goodwill of his heart. His public opinion was already destroyed, so he wasn't doing it for image either. Again, as I already stated: Sony is able to heavily influence Luke to the point where it basically can be considered control. Much in the same way that Luke "controlled" Kesha despite him having no literal physical control over what comes out of her mouth. It's the same power dynamic. I feel like you're intentionally misunderstanding me and putting words into my mouth to open up a pointless debate about something I basically agree with you . All I said was that Sony couldn't legally force Dr. Luke to let Kesha record music without him because Sony was not a party to the direct contract between Kesha and Dr. Luke. Sony publicly reiterated this as well. Nevertheless, since Dr. Luke was in an ongoing business relationship with Sony at that time that he didn't want to end, there were other convincing arguments for Dr. Luke to accommodate Sony and agree to let Kesha record music without him. Therefore, it's not the exact same power dynamic as between Kesha and Luke since he legally controlled Kesha musically based on his 2005 contract with her. A similar power dynamic for sure, but not the exact same. That's all I was saying. 1
ThePopStop Posted July 12 Posted July 12 6 minutes ago, TomTom said: I feel like you're intentionally misunderstanding me and putting words into my mouth to open up a pointless debate about something I basically agree with you . All I said was that Sony couldn't legally force Dr. Luke to let Kesha record music without him because Sony was not a party to the direct contract between Kesha and Dr. Luke. Sony publicly reiterated this as well. Nevertheless, since Dr. Luke was in an ongoing business relationship with Sony at that time that he didn't want to end, there were other convincing arguments for Dr. Luke to accommodate Sony and agree to let Kesha record music without him. Therefore, it's not the exact same power dynamic as between Kesha and Luke since he legally controlled Kesha musically based on his 2005 contract with her. A similar power dynamic for sure, but not the exact same. That's all I was saying. Gotcha, my apologies. I suppose I got a bit triggered by the "I literally just said" bit. 1
KKKIMO92 Posted July 12 Posted July 12 If you are going to work with someone with a terrible reputation, it better be worth it. Luke just gave her some Kim leftovers and she made it a lead, so embarrassing and humiliating. Telling the world that she is that desperate and just for nothing….
judasmonster Posted July 12 Posted July 12 asking this is like complaining why you were the one that got in trouble when you and your classmate did the same wrong thing. At the end of the day she did something unfavorable and is getting rightfully dragged for it. Trying to deflect it by pointing at someone else's mistakes doesnt do anything but make it worse. Doja still gets dragged for it too she hasnt been unscathed.
Johnny Jacobs Posted July 12 Posted July 12 5 hours ago, kellebrity98 said: kesha's last three albums were made under kemosbe yet there's no Luke songs. Because they were released after the whole thing blew up. Are you for real?
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