WaterDiamonds Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 Tbh this is a low blow from Katy... They both knew each other since they were young ladies since both shared the same producers, and of course the same hopes and dreams. I'd feel beyond mortified if someone I share a past with worked with my r@p1st after a very public lawsuit against them that lasted YEARS. Kesha shouldn't have to put up with this stuff, I don't understand why Katy would come back to Luke when Bonnie and Max Martin were right there... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burn Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 I honestly wonder if Katy did this on purpose just to get people talking about her again… because it's working. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rama Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 Whack that nun killer, talentless, 2010s fad for me K$ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmittenCake Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtina23 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 1 hour ago, campelo said: We stand with Katy, Dr Luke, the court and the truth PeriodT!!! Katy we love you!!! 2 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smarticle Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 1 hour ago, genetic fail said: Pop music is sooo back! 1 hour ago, genetic fail said: Pop music is sooo back! 1 hour ago, genetic fail said: Pop music is sooo back! 1 hour ago, genetic fail said: Pop music is sooo back! 1 hour ago, genetic fail said: Pop music is sooo back! Is it? 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReH2o Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 Gaga was right 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndThenTheCocaine Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 Are we really surprised that Lukas is on this 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristede Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 I think Kesha's laughing because what we've heard of the song is not very good and has a 99% possibility of being yet another flop for Katy (and therefore for Dr. Luke). So much for Katy's big comeback. But it is karma for Dr. Luke to release a pitiful joke of a song that is going to go nowhere commercially. I'd be laughing at my enemy's failure too if I were her. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawnettakins Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 I fear this era is already shaping up to be the final nail in the coffin of the career for Miss Kathyrn. End her Kesha! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leo-j Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 54 minutes ago, cloudbusting said: This is the crazy thing to me. Katy has 15+ years of industry connections, and her fans constantly tried to deflect any drags about her Idol stint because of how much she was getting paid per season. You mean to tell me a veteran with all those personal and financial resources can't hire LITERALLY anyone else to work on music with her? That for some reason she just has to work with her former friend's rapist??? she tried though? She worked with some high end producers for Witness, and smile.... When i'm gone was kinda promoted as a comeback for her but wasn't incredibly successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blanket Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 Where was her mother ? It's no one's fault she wanted to be famous and slept with dr Luke. Her old mom is always around but where was she then ? 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TomTom Posted June 18 Popular Post Share Posted June 18 There is an alarming amount of uninformed and tone-deaf takes already in this thread from a certain fanbase, so let's clean some things up. 1. "Katy has nothing to do with what happened between Kesha and Dr. Luke" There is probably no person in the entire music industry that has more to do with it. Katy has known both Kesha and Dr. Luke for an almost equally long time. Kesha and Katy have known each other since before Kesha even debuted. There are pictures of them partying together in 2007, Kesha appeared in the IKAG video, Kesha has an unreleased song called "True Love" for which Katy has credits. Katy said: "I love my friend Kesha" in her 2017 Witness livestream. Katy testified in her deposition that she saw Kesha over a dozen times in her life. Her being a literal witness (pun intended) in the case merely comes on top of all this. 2. "Kesha selectively attacks Katy and not other artists" It should be self-explanatory that Katy Perry deciding to go back to Dr. Luke in 2024 is an entirely different scenario than the likes of Kim Petras, Latto, Lourdiz and god knows who else is currently working with him. Besides the obvious personal connection between Kesha and Katy, Katy was not just one of, but Dr. Luke's most successful (pop!) artist ever who used to work with him long before the lawsuit even began. 3. "Katy has shown solidarity with Kesha" At no point in time has Katy ever shown any kind of solidarity with Kesha whatsoever. Katy testified in her deposition that she decided not to work with Dr. Luke on Witness out of fear for her reputation and not out of solidarity with Kesha. Dr. Luke testified that Katy told him he'd have to "sit this one out". "This one" being Witness. In sum, everything points to Katy never actually wanting to stop working with Dr. Luke and especially not permanently. Her behavior stands in massive contrast to Lady Gaga, Taylor Swift, Demi Lovato, Miley Cyrus, Kelly Clarkson, P!nk, Adele and others who all have more or less directly supported Kesha in public or revealed their personal issues with Dr. Luke. Katy's deposition is filled with tone-deaf remarks like "Dr. Luke deserves to have a big ego, he has over 20 #1 songs" that are totally out of place in the context of a person you allegedly disapprove of. The fact that Katy gave interviews talking about her "healthy relationship" with Dr. Luke throughout the lawsuit for no apparent reason further undermines the "solidarity" narrative. 4. "Kesha settled the lawsuit, she has no business now shading Katy" This is perhaps the most twisted and insensitive talking point. First, it is wild to use a settlement against a defendant - who by default does not wish to be involved in a lawsuit, let alone go to trial. On a basic level, it is nonsensical to suggest Kesha deciding to settle a case she never wanted to defend herself against to begin with (let alone for nine years) instead of entering a massive trial against one of the most powerful people in Hollywood must prevent her from continuing to have an opinion on topics that are related to her and the lawsuit. Second, this notion completely ignores the fact that this lawsuit ended because Dr. Luke was smart enough to settle his own case after it became clear he would not win a jury trial. You can not spin a plaintiff realizing it's time to end a frivolous case into a defendant's loss. Third, it is quite extraordinary to suggest that a legal conclusion of the lawsuit somehow precludes any kind of moral decency standards for a person that has known both Kesha and Dr. Luke for over 15 years. A legal outcome does not dictate the rules for decent behavior. 5. "Kesha lied about Katy" This talking point should have been retired long ago, but apparently it's still necessary to point out that Kesha neither "invented" nor "spread" false rumors about Katy. Both Kesha and Lady Gaga testified that Interscope CEO John Janick told them that Dr. Luke raped Katy Perry (which @georgechxng could have known if they decided to actually familiarize themselves with the topic they are commenting about) which Kesha then referenced in a private text message to Lady Gaga. Said rumors not being true does not convert them into a lie absent proof of malice for which Dr. Luke has shown none and he possibly couldn't have done so in light of Lady Gaga's corroboration. Likewise, the word "spread" implies a new audience which does not exist in the case of a private 1:1 text message to one person who was already familiar with the story at hand. Dr. Luke himself created the new audience when he decided to include this issue in his amended complaint. You can say that Kesha shared a false statement she believed to be true, but she absolutely did not lie or invent fake stories and there is also no legal basis for such claims. 6. "Kesha recanted her statements" This remark is completely baseless, as Kesha has always maintained from the very beginning of the lawsuit and throughout her deposition that she was unconscious while Dr. Luke raped her because he had given her a "sober pill" in advance (the latter of which is referenced in documents as early as 2006). This is what she would have testified at the jury trial if it had taken place. Therefore, Kesha did not "recant" anything when she said she can not remember everything (not anything) about the night at issue in her final settlement statement. 17 34 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manuelalex9810 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 1 hour ago, gettsleazy said: Dr Luke is the only reason that info on Katy is public You morons couldn't understand context if it smacked you over the head with a brick Who cares? Imagine telling an alleged victim they're not strong enough or they're mean because they don't want to come out and tell their story so you can use that victim as a pawn to win your case, the way Gaga and Kesha acted was disgusting. 2 1 1 32 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloudbusting Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 1 minute ago, manuelalex9810 said: Who cares? Imagine telling an alleged victim they're not strong enough or they're mean because they don't want to come out and tell their story so you can use that victim as a pawn to win your case, the way Gaga and Kesha acted was disgusting. There's certainly a lot of imagining here because this was a private conversation between Kesha and Gaga - neither one of them was nasty to Katy herself about this situation. There was no "telling an alleged victim they're not strong enough or they're mean" to begin with. They both literally talk about having empathy for her in this situation (or what they thought was the situation). Besides, is anyone always 100% cautious about optics when they vent privately to friends? 12 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peacok Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 Kesha and Gaga will burn in hell for lying about Miss Katheryn 1 36 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmittenCake Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 Its only been a few hours. This era is officially DOA and the KatyKats should be angry at Kathryn rather than Gaga and Kesha. I honestly didn't think Katy would even entertain the thought of working with Luke but, at the same time, I am not surprised. Surely this will catch onto TikTok and tighten up the coffin a bit more. 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junipero Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 (edited) 1 hour ago, Sugar-Rush said: It's weird to me that Katy had a whole woke era just 7 years ago, but now wants to work with an alleged rapist again. What was the whole point of Witness then? Wasn't the "woke era"/Witness Era just something more about the 2016 election than it was about the Kesha vs Dr Luke stuff? Because this was during the rise of "woke" culture going mainstream, etc... My understanding was that she didn't work with Dr. Luke because it would look bad and make her look like a hippo crate, but she wished she had worked with him during the Witness stuff; wasn't there a deposition during the Dr. Luke vs Kesha stating that she wanted to work with Dr. Luke during this time? Edited June 18 by Junipero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manuelalex9810 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 1 minute ago, cloudbusting said: There's certainly a lot of imagining here because this was a private conversation between Kesha and Gaga - neither one of them was nasty to Katy herself about this situation. There was no "telling an alleged victim they're not strong enough or they're mean" to begin with. They both literally talk about having empathy for her in this situation (or what they thought was the situation). Besides, is anyone always 100% cautious about optics when they vent privately to friends? "She's probably really afraid to lose everything" "She's not as strong as you yet" "she's mean" those were the texts. The question is not whether they were private text messages, good thing they were public so you can see the 0 empathy they had for an alleged victim. Katy herself said she was angry because they wanted to use her as a pawn in the case. After telling her that she was mean and not strong, they now felt empathy for her. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manuelalex9810 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 8 minutes ago, SmittenCake said: Its only been a few hours. This era is officially DOA and the KatyKats should be angry at Kathryn rather than Gaga and Kesha. I honestly didn't think Katy would even entertain the thought of working with Luke but, at the same time, I am not surprised. Surely this will catch onto TikTok and tighten up the coffin a bit more. Congrats on the anti-Katy Twitter likes, I guess… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnusualBoy Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 Not sure what's LOL about it? This is Kesha we're talking about Also it's not even confirmed yet that Luke work on it, I mean if you're gonna drag at least wait until the info is confirmed 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SmittenCake Posted June 18 Popular Post Share Posted June 18 Just now, manuelalex9810 said: Congrats on the anti-Katy Twitter likes, I guess… Don't congratulate me. Congratulate Katy. 20 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matchatea Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 1 minute ago, UnusualBoy said: Not sure what's LOL about it? This is Kesha we're talking about Also it's not even confirmed yet that Luke work on it, I mean if you're gonna drag at least wait until the info is confirmed That snippet sounds like a classic Dr. Luke beat… it's obvious he is on it…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloudbusting Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 12 minutes ago, manuelalex9810 said: "She's probably really afraid to lose everything" "She's not as strong as you yet" "she's mean" those were the texts. The question is not whether they were private text messages, good thing they were public so you can see the 0 empathy they had for an alleged victim. Katy herself said she was angry because they wanted to use her as a pawn in the case. After telling her that she was mean and not strong, they now felt empathy for her. So you acknowledge that they were private texts, but also want to act like they were saying these things in a public manner? I'm genuinely confused as to what you think happened because these ideas are inherently contradictory. They were not saying these things directly to Katy - they were discussing between themselves. Also emotions can in fact be complicated - you can be frustrated with someone and still be empathetic. Things aren't always black and white where you can only think and feel one thing about someone at a time. 12 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comedor Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 And this is shocking because? We had thousands of pages in the last couple months about Katy's comeback and everybody knew her long time collaborator would be involved. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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