so inn-te-llee-gent 

 

36 minutes ago, Communion said:

 

There's something very insidious about rushing to like and praise any positive mention of Luke and then instantly lashing out when someone airs a criticism over the moral implications of the work. 

 

She didn't work with someone just unpopular or someone just with a specific production style. You can't enjoy the "buzz" of her producer selection but then try and silence every single person who expressed they're conflicted over her working with someone who raped her friend. 

enough with the fake news. he was never convicted of rape. non convicted= not guilty. that's how things work.

am sure if Katy believed that Dr Luke was a rapist, she wouldn't have worked with him. she has proven that she can write songs with other producers (fireworks, walking on air, hih,nro)

Edited June 22, 20242 yr by Watson!

Imo this explosive thread just goes to show you how relevant Katy Perry still is and how much of a MPG she still is .

9 minutes ago, KatysPrism said:

magine hating an artist, their song, the person who produced it.

You were quoted for your post veering into rape apologia - not because of someone having an imagined dislike of Katy (I've regularly defended Witness) - and this 2nd post again seemingly tries to flatten reality and excuse away the allegations of rape and assault. You can't imagine there'd be a difference in why someone might not like the song versus why someone might be uncomfortable with her selecting a producer accused of sexual assault, harassment, workplace bullying, etc.? 

 

By all means, anyone who is able to and has already reconciled with this complicated reality, I don't hold it against them. I get it's nuanced in the scenario of loving an artist and them making a choice that reasonably angers and hurts people and not knowing how to navigate all of it outside of that their music makes you happy.

 

But it's one thing to care about Katy and love her music versus actively antagonizing people who would reasonably find everything happening both upsetting and triggering.

 

This isn't her base thread. This is the thread for the single. Of course some people are going to follow updates on the song despite said updates being upsetting - specifically *because* they are upsetting. Specifically because this is the first major pop release in a decade for a man accused of rape and harming women and the implications of how it'll perform and be received being important to those who find the embrace of a rapist upsetting.

 

By all means, if you have to - if you're unable to actually reconcile with reality - tune it out and put people upset on ignore. You don't have to engage if you can't or if it's simply not important to you. But that's not an excuse to go the completely opposite direction and lash out or gaslight people and pretend like as though it's not noteworthy or imaginably upsetting to know a man accused of rape is producing a major female pop single. To try and attack people triggered by violence against women being rewarded.

1 minute ago, Communion said:

You were quoted for your post veering into rape apologia - not because of someone having an imagined dislike of Katy (I've regularly defended Witness) - and this 2nd post again seemingly tries to flatten reality and excuse away the allegations of rape and assault. You can't imagine there'd be a difference in why someone might not like the song versus why someone might be uncomfortable with her selecting a producer accused of sexual assault, harassment, workplace bullying, etc.? 

 

By all means, anyone who is able to and has already reconciled with this complicated reality, I don't hold it against them. I get it's nuanced in the scenario of loving an artist and them making a choice that reasonably angers and hurts people and not knowing how to navigate all of it outside of that their music makes you happy.

 

But it's one thing to care about Katy and love her music versus actively antagonizing people who would reasonably find everything happening both upsetting and triggering.

 

This isn't her base thread. This is the thread for the single. Of course some people are going to follow updates on the song despite said updates being upsetting - specifically *because* they are upsetting. Specifically because this is the first major pop release in a decade for a man accused of rape and harming women and the implications of how it'll perform and be received being important to those who find the embrace of a rapist upsetting.

 

By all means, if you have to - if you're unable to actually reconcile with reality - tune it out and put people upset on ignore. You don't have to engage if you can't or if it's simply not important to you. But that's not an excuse to go the completely opposite direction and lash out or gaslight people and pretend like as though it's not noteworthy or imaginably upsetting to know a man accused of rape is producing a major female pop single. To try and attack people triggered by violence against women being rewarded.

Stay perched for more news!

 

omg just believe what u believe

I'm so done with these essays 

 

OT: what if Katy invited a lot of female artists to attend the music video recording and she's gonna reveal them day by day til its official release 

that comment from previous pages saying katy doesn't know anything about being a woman is so funny...you are a gay man please have some self awareness

 

1 hour ago, KatysPrism said:

 oh exactly… 

I hope the other influencer trend this too like Tana, Brooke 

4 minutes ago, Communion said:

You were quoted for your post veering into rape apologia - not because of someone having an imagined dislike of Katy (I've regularly defended Witness) - and this 2nd post again seemingly tries to flatten reality and excuse away the allegations of rape and assault. You can't imagine there'd be a difference in why someone might not like the song versus why someone might be uncomfortable with her selecting a producer accused of sexual assault, harassment, workplace bullying, etc.? 

 

By all means, anyone who is able to and has already reconciled with this complicated reality, I don't hold it against them. I get it's nuanced in the scenario of loving an artist and them making a choice that reasonably angers and hurts people and not knowing how to navigate all of it outside of that their music makes you happy.

 

But it's one thing to care about Katy and love her music versus actively antagonizing people who would reasonably find everything happening both upsetting and triggering.

 

This isn't her base thread. This is the thread for the single. Of course some people are going to follow updates on the song despite said updates being upsetting - specifically *because* they are upsetting. Specifically because this is the first major pop release in a decade for a man accused of rape and harming women and the implications of how it'll perform and be received being important to those who find the embrace of a rapist upsetting.

 

By all means, if you have to - if you're unable to actually reconcile with reality - tune it out and put people upset on ignore. You don't have to engage if you can't or if it's simply not important to you. But that's not an excuse to go the completely opposite direction and lash out or gaslight people and pretend like as though it's not noteworthy or imaginably upsetting to know a man accused of rape is producing a major female pop single. To try and attack people triggered by violence against women being rewarded.

Sis, we get you and we all already know your stance. What do you even want from the Katy fans at this point, like seriously? Most of us acknowledged the issues, and it's not about excusing the allegations. We just want to discuss the music at this point, this is a song we have anticipated for almost 4 years now. We can dislike her choice of producer while still appreciating the song and upcoming music. It's actually insideous to solely make the comeback of our idol about the actions of a man that she has nothing to do with.

7 minutes ago, Communion said:

You were quoted for your post veering into rape apologia - not because of someone having an imagined dislike of Katy (I've regularly defended Witness) - and this 2nd post again seemingly tries to flatten reality and excuse away the allegations of rape and assault. You can't imagine there'd be a difference in why someone might not like the song versus why someone might be uncomfortable with her selecting a producer accused of sexual assault, harassment, workplace bullying, etc.? 

 

By all means, anyone who is able to and has already reconciled with this complicated reality, I don't hold it against them. I get it's nuanced in the scenario of loving an artist and them making a choice that reasonably angers and hurts people and not knowing how to navigate all of it outside of that their music makes you happy.

 

But it's one thing to care about Katy and love her music versus actively antagonizing people who would reasonably find everything happening both upsetting and triggering.

 

This isn't her base thread. This is the thread for the single. Of course some people are going to follow updates on the song despite said updates being upsetting - specifically *because* they are upsetting. Specifically because this is the first major pop release in a decade for a man accused of rape and harming women and the implications of how it'll perform and be received being important to those who find the embrace of a rapist upsetting.

 

By all means, if you have to - if you're unable to actually reconcile with reality - tune it out and put people upset on ignore. You don't have to engage if you can't or if it's simply not important to you. But that's not an excuse to go the completely opposite direction and lash out or gaslight people and pretend like as though it's not noteworthy or imaginably upsetting to know a man accused of rape is producing a major female pop single. To try and attack people triggered by violence against women being rewarded.

And that's how you clear a rape apologist *****.

 

OKHs writing essays now 

8 minutes ago, Communion said:

You were quoted for your post veering into rape apologia - not because of someone having an imagined dislike of Katy (I've regularly defended Witness) - and this 2nd post again seemingly tries to flatten reality and excuse away the allegations of rape and assault. You can't imagine there'd be a difference in why someone might not like the song versus why someone might be uncomfortable with her selecting a producer accused of sexual assault, harassment, workplace bullying, etc.? 

 

By all means, anyone who is able to and has already reconciled with this complicated reality, I don't hold it against them. I get it's nuanced in the scenario of loving an artist and them making a choice that reasonably angers and hurts people and not knowing how to navigate all of it outside of that their music makes you happy.

 

But it's one thing to care about Katy and love her music versus actively antagonizing people who would reasonably find everything happening both upsetting and triggering.

 

This isn't her base thread. This is the thread for the single. Of course some people are going to follow updates on the song despite said updates being upsetting - specifically *because* they are upsetting. Specifically because this is the first major pop release in a decade for a man accused of rape and harming women and the implications of how it'll perform and be received being important to those who find the embrace of a rapist upsetting.

 

By all means, if you have to - if you're unable to actually reconcile with reality - tune it out and put people upset on ignore. You don't have to engage if you can't or if it's simply not important to you. But that's not an excuse to go the completely opposite direction and lash out or gaslight people and pretend like as though it's not noteworthy or imaginably upsetting to know a man accused of rape is producing a major female pop single. To try and attack people triggered by violence against women being rewarded.

Not a 5 paragraph MLA-formatted essay. 

24 minutes ago, Watson! said:

non convicted= not guilty. that's how things work.

That's quite literally not how it works - especially when powerful men threaten legal warfare against those they've abused and run up the clock on the statute of limitations for when said allegations of sexual abuse could even be brought in front of a court. And these kinds of posts are exactly the behavior that is the issue (and already are deemed ZTP-worthy fyi).

 

Filings throughout the failed defamation suit against Kesha revealed that Kesha herself isn't the first woman to accuse Luke of sexual abuse.

 

We're not talking about petty, trollish drama. This is not "Olivia doesn't like Sabrina and Taylor is getting close to Sabrina, is there BEEF?? ".

 

The reality at hand and the implications of all that has unfolded between the 3 over the last 10 years are grave. Even if you somehow believe that Kesha would easily lie about being raped, there is a myriad of violently misogynistic behavior that both can't be pursued legally yet reflects horribly on Luke.

 

Neither Luke nor anyone on his team has ever come out and denied allegations of Luke repeatedly calling Kesha a "fat *****," "fat ******* fridge," etc. in the studio and having studio personnel both hide food in the studio and report to him if they found her eating. Actions Kesha has quite literally said were a major cause for her developing bulimia. 

 

His violent behavior is too wide-reaching, well-documented, and historical to try and spin this. Even without allegations of sexual assault, he wouldn't fit in the landscape of 2024 female pop music where female artists are more than their bodies and don't have to endure workplace harassment and bullying.

 

Again, if you can reconcile with reality or if such is too overwhelming for you to engage with, by all means, protect your peace. But not engaging is very different than posts that go out of their way to not only try and falsely exonerate Luke but to gaslight those who find his presence upsetting, to the point of even doing rape apologia. You're continuing the cycle of him being a relevant and omnipotent topic of discussion by needing to feel vindicated for supporting him and defending what he's done.

Edited June 22, 20242 yr by Communion

It feels like 2012 ATRL all over again

The long essays

2 minutes ago, peacok said:

OKHs writing essays now 

She's winning and they can't stand it.

i'm not even gonna read it and just mute that homewrecker stan so i can spam teenage dream and planet her in anticipation

 

14 minutes ago, Communion said:

You were quoted for your post veering into rape apologia - not because of someone having an imagined dislike of Katy (I've regularly defended Witness) - and this 2nd post again seemingly tries to flatten reality and excuse away the allegations of rape and assault. You can't imagine there'd be a difference in why someone might not like the song versus why someone might be uncomfortable with her selecting a producer accused of sexual assault, harassment, workplace bullying, etc.? 

 

By all means, anyone who is able to and has already reconciled with this complicated reality, I don't hold it against them. I get it's nuanced in the scenario of loving an artist and them making a choice that reasonably angers and hurts people and not knowing how to navigate all of it outside of that their music makes you happy.

 

But it's one thing to care about Katy and love her music versus actively antagonizing people who would reasonably find everything happening both upsetting and triggering.

 

This isn't her base thread. This is the thread for the single. Of course some people are going to follow updates on the song despite said updates being upsetting - specifically *because* they are upsetting. Specifically because this is the first major pop release in a decade for a man accused of rape and harming women and the implications of how it'll perform and be received being important to those who find the embrace of a rapist upsetting.

 

By all means, if you have to - if you're unable to actually reconcile with reality - tune it out and put people upset on ignore. You don't have to engage if you can't or if it's simply not important to you. But that's not an excuse to go the completely opposite direction and lash out or gaslight people and pretend like as though it's not noteworthy or imaginably upsetting to know a man accused of rape is producing a major female pop single. To try and attack people triggered by violence against women being rewarded.

 

-

 

Woman's World snippet is so good 

16 minutes ago, Communion said:

You were quoted for your post veering into rape apologia - not because of someone having an imagined dislike of Katy (I've regularly defended Witness) - and this 2nd post again seemingly tries to flatten reality and excuse away the allegations of rape and assault. You can't imagine there'd be a difference in why someone might not like the song versus why someone might be uncomfortable with her selecting a producer accused of sexual assault, harassment, workplace bullying, etc.? 

 

By all means, anyone who is able to and has already reconciled with this complicated reality, I don't hold it against them. I get it's nuanced in the scenario of loving an artist and them making a choice that reasonably angers and hurts people and not knowing how to navigate all of it outside of that their music makes you happy.

 

But it's one thing to care about Katy and love her music versus actively antagonizing people who would reasonably find everything happening both upsetting and triggering.

 

This isn't her base thread. This is the thread for the single. Of course some people are going to follow updates on the song despite said updates being upsetting - specifically *because* they are upsetting. Specifically because this is the first major pop release in a decade for a man accused of rape and harming women and the implications of how it'll perform and be received being important to those who find the embrace of a rapist upsetting.

 

By all means, if you have to - if you're unable to actually reconcile with reality - tune it out and put people upset on ignore. You don't have to engage if you can't or if it's simply not important to you. But that's not an excuse to go the completely opposite direction and lash out or gaslight people and pretend like as though it's not noteworthy or imaginably upsetting to know a man accused of rape is producing a major female pop single. To try and attack people triggered by violence against women being rewarded.

First major pop girl release? Like doja didn't win a Grammy with KMM?

 

I would have ran to him after say so

 

9 minutes ago, State of Grace. said:

And that's how you clear a rape apologist *****.

 

The replies all being "okay essay!!" from the people who were just writing paragraphs claiming the legal system has exonerated Luke of being a rapist.  Girlies clearly don't know what or who they're up against if a few paragraphs is upsetting to them. We can go for a full-on word count if certain users insist on still pushing  rape apologia 

 

I'm not sure why this is somehow like a form of calculus for them. If you continually post in support of Luke, you cannot then be confused when people rightfully push back.

Not the memoirs about a pop song

 

 

Katy Perry the legend that you are 

i thought the chicken was lovely....how was your chicken?

 

 

i can't wait for the music video 

Wtf are these dissertations? 
 

I bet these "LukEeE iSssS a RapiIisTT" preachers don't feel apologetic at all when listening his past bops. 

Just now, OmegaRidley said:

Not the memoirs about a pop song

 

 

Katy Perry the legend that you are 

Imagine having meltdowns over a Katy Perry song that will probably not even chart in 2024

 

Things only ATRL provide

 

2 minutes ago, OmegaRidley said:

Not the memoirs about a pop song

 

 

Katy Perry the legend that you are 

she's their favorite reference baby

 

I would imagine this is gonna get a huge radio deal and TTH top placement.