Communion Posted June 15 Posted June 15 It's funny cause in the thread there's a gay Israeli frustrated at people dismissing Israel as just a homophobic country and how such doesn't help the fight for gay rights inside said country but: 1) He should now realize that's essentially what happens to other countries within the Middle East in an even more brazenly performative way; 2) He argues his reasonable frustrations with his homophobic country and tries to argue the flag is used inside of Israel by LGBTQ citizens to remind nationalists of LGBTQ people and to reconcile Israeli homophobia with outrage over what Israelis claim are Hamas' views.... but then immediately concedes 99% of the posts with the flag in English for an English-speaking audience are hasbara. 4
Mezik Posted June 15 Posted June 15 Considering Israel has no problem absolutely massacring every single LGBTQ person living in Gaza, and is the stone age for gay rights outside of Tel Aviv (isn't same sex marriage not legal in Israel?). Disgusting flag, disgusting they're trying they're trying to use our struggles to support their genocide. 5
N.M.K. Posted June 15 Posted June 15 The only country in the Middle East with protections for LGBTQ+ people, and where queer people throughout the region seek asylum for persecution of their sexual orientation and identity. A result of years of LGBTQ+ activists in the country fighting for protections for the community, just as those did in the US and elsewhere throughout the world. It's nice to see the flag be changed with the larger yellow stripe to be aligned with the movement to bring back the hostages taken on October 7. 2 1 1 12
N.M.K. Posted June 15 Posted June 15 1 minute ago, Mezik said: Considering Israel has no problem absolutely massacring every single LGBTQ person living in Gaza, and is the stone age for gay rights outside of Tel Aviv (isn't same sex marriage not legal in Israel?). Disgusting flag, disgusting they're trying they're trying to use our struggles to support their genocide. Jerusalem held their annual gay pride parade just days ago... 1 2
N.M.K. Posted June 15 Posted June 15 And to answer the question to the OP... the people there are celebrating pride while simultaneously yearning for their friends and family taken hostage to be brought back home, and said right now there's no reason to be celebrating and had their flag adjusted to reflect and honor that. The hatred and mental gymnastics to vilify every move is astounding lol 1 7
LIT Posted June 15 Posted June 15 Every time Israel tries to pinkwash its genocide, I'm reminded of this: 3
Mezik Posted June 15 Posted June 15 2 minutes ago, N.M.K. said: And to answer the question to the OP... the people there are celebrating pride while simultaneously yearning for their friends and family taken hostage to be brought back home, and said right now there's no reason to be celebrating and had their flag adjusted to reflect and honor that. The hatred and mental gymnastics to vilify every move is astounding lol Where's your same frustration for the Nazis I mean IDF brutally murdering and engaging in genocide of Palestinians? I'm sure Palestinians are yearning for their friends and family not to be murdered by the terrorist regime of Israel?
arctic-turner Posted June 15 Posted June 15 9 minutes ago, N.M.K. said: And to answer the question to the OP... the people there are celebrating pride while simultaneously yearning for their friends and family taken hostage to be brought back home, and said right now there's no reason to be celebrating and had their flag adjusted to reflect and honor that. The hatred and mental gymnastics to vilify every move is astounding lol What about the queer Palestinians yearning to not be bombed? How many gay people has Israel killed this year?
Communion Posted June 15 Posted June 15 12 minutes ago, N.M.K. said: The only country in the Middle East with protections for LGBTQ+ people Imagine undoing all that advancement in gay rights by doing genocide and discrediting your own movement to most of the world. A reminder to queer movements within the rest of the Western world that queer liberation cannot be built upon militarism and blood shed.
Daddy Posted June 15 Posted June 15 These Nazis are so disgusting and sneaky. Spitting on every *** that is supporting their genocide. 3 1 1
Daddy Posted June 15 Posted June 15 28 minutes ago, N.M.K. said: And to answer the question to the OP... the people there are celebrating pride while simultaneously yearning for their friends and family taken hostage to be brought back home, and said right now there's no reason to be celebrating and had their flag adjusted to reflect and honor that. The hatred and mental gymnastics to vilify every move is astounding lol Shut the **** up, Zionazi. 2 1 1
State of Grace. Posted June 15 Posted June 15 32 minutes ago, LIT said: Every time Israel tries to pinkwash its genocide, I'm reminded of this: The fact that this is not a global headline really goes to show you how much the Western media/organizations really care about Palestinian queer people's rights. It's always Khamas this, Khamas that when ISRAEL HAS KILLED MORE GAY PALESTINIANS THAN HAMAS EVER COULD. 1
beautiful player Posted June 15 Posted June 15 (edited) Supporting LGBTQ progress and rights is never a bad thing. Edited June 15 by beautiful player 1 2
ZIVERT Posted June 15 Posted June 15 57 minutes ago, Daddy said: These Nazis are so disgusting and sneaky. Spitting on every *** that is supporting their genocide. As a German, you specifically need to be very careful with your continuous Holocaust inversion - you have gotten way too comfortable using this rhetoric over the course of these last few months. Referring to Israelis - Jews - as Nazis when they're literally there in the first place because your ancestors industrialized genocide, murdering 14,000 Jews a day at the peak of the Holocaust, is an especially insidious and egregious form of antisemitism. Check yourself. OT: This is a nice gesture to keep pride and the hostages centered. Hopefully everyone around the world can one day freely celebrate Pride. 5 8
A.R.L Posted June 15 Posted June 15 1 hour ago, arctic-turner said: What about the queer Palestinians yearning to not be bombed? How many gay people has Israel killed this year? Any gay activists ? I'm not saying you're lying, but it would be more remarkable to have documented cases of people who were once heard and fought for their activism and sadly died because of war. Otherwise, they are like any regular people in a war zone everywhere else in the world. I wish I could know about them more than I know about hamas leaders and even their hidden luxury life in Doha. 1
Communion Posted June 15 Posted June 15 4 minutes ago, ZIVERT said: As a German, you specifically need to be very careful with your continuous Holocaust inversion - you have gotten way too comfortable using this rhetoric over the course of these last few months. Referring to Israelis - Jews - as Nazis when they're literally there in the first place because your ancestors industrialized genocide, murdering 14,000 Jews a day at the peak of the Holocaust, is an especially insidious and egregious form of antisemitism. Check yourself. OT: This is a nice gesture to keep pride and the hostages centered. Hopefully everyone around the world can one day freely celebrate Pride. I mean, this concern is valid, but it'd then also apply to you as a Ukrainian pushing the "Double Genocide" theory that equates the famines in Ukraine to the Holocaust despite this framing itself being Holocaust inversion that paints the true victims of WWII as non-Jewish Eastern Europeans and the actual villain the Soviet Union - not Hitler - and Jews just the unfortunate middleman caught in-between the crossfires of the Soviets and those "necessarily standing up against them". The irony of course being that you refuse to believe Israel is committing genocide even if just by creating a famine despite the fact that Israel's declared stance of collective punishment and how such shows clear *intent* of starvation is more documented (by proxy of occurring in the here-and-now) than the continuous debate by historians on whether collective harvesting policies by the USSR were just massive agricultural policy failures or intentional attacks on ethnic minorities. Your concern and belief in the latter being totally discredited by the reality that even now you still do Israel apologia and run cover for them. 9
State of Grace. Posted June 15 Posted June 15 1 hour ago, ZIVERT said: OT: This is a nice gesture to keep pride and the hostages centered. Hopefully everyone around the world can one day freely celebrate Pride. So full of **** as usual ZI(ONIST)VERT 1
ZIVERT Posted June 15 Posted June 15 44 minutes ago, Communion said: I mean, this concern is valid, but it'd then also apply to you as a Ukrainian pushing the "Double Genocide" theory that equates the famines in Ukraine to the Holocaust despite this framing itself being Holocaust inversion that paints the true victims of WWII as non-Jewish Eastern Europeans and the actual villain the Soviet Union - not Hitler - and Jews just the unfortunate middleman caught in-between the crossfires of the Soviets and those "necessarily standing up against them". The irony of course being that you refuse to believe Israel is committing genocide even if just by creating a famine despite the fact that Israel's declared stance of collective punishment and how such shows clear *intent* of starvation is more documented (by proxy of occurring in the here-and-now) than the continuous debate by historians on whether collective harvesting policies by the USSR were just massive agricultural policy failures or intentional attacks on ethnic minorities. Your concern and belief in the latter being totally discredited by the reality that even now you still do Israel apologia and run cover for them. Don't care, didn't read 1 7
Cesar Posted June 15 Author Posted June 15 1 hour ago, ZIVERT said: As a German, you specifically need to be very careful with your continuous Holocaust inversion - you have gotten way too comfortable using this rhetoric over the course of these last few months. Referring to Israelis - Jews - as Nazis when they're literally there in the first place because your ancestors industrialized genocide, murdering 14,000 Jews a day at the peak of the Holocaust, is an especially insidious and egregious form of antisemitism. Check yourself. OT: This is a nice gesture to keep pride and the hostages centered. Hopefully everyone around the world can one day freely celebrate Pride. Quote Yet among Israel's estimated 165,000 survivors, roughly one in three lives in poverty, according to a survivors' advocacy group. Though survivors receive government stipends, many still depend on food donations organized by Israeli charities like Chasdei Naomi. "The ones who really need to be responsible for taking care of Holocaust survivors is the state of Israel. Unfortunately, that doesn't exist," said Tshuva Cabra, the group's head of donations. The charity's staff and volunteers distributed food parcels, flowers and chocolates to impoverished survivors in Jerusalem on Wednesday. "If we will not be there for them, who will? It's really sad that only NGOs are standing up and acting," she said. It's extremely unfair to the holocaust survivors to equate Israel with them in any way, shape or form. When 1 in 3 Israel Holocaust Survivors live in poverty. It's unfair to equate holocaust survivors to the country, especially when they don't even prove adequate support for the holocaust survivors in their country. 1
LadyDiana Posted June 15 Posted June 15 2 hours ago, State of Grace. said: ISRAEL HAS KILLED MORE GAY PALESTINIANS THAN HAMAS EVER COULD. Israel doesn't have to kill not one single gay palestinian. All they have to do is out them and the good people of palestine will do the rest. My question to atrL mods, why are hamas vs israel threads still allowed? We are not allowed to discuss certain female writer because of her divisive views on certain topics, yet threads about hamas, a terrorist organization, are allowed?! Not just threads, they are ******* celebrated here 2 6
State of Grace. Posted June 15 Posted June 15 Just now, LadyDiana said: Israel doesn't have to kill not one single gay palestinian. All they have to do is out them and the good people of palestine will do the rest. My question to atrL mods, why are hamas vs israel threads still allowed? We are not allowed to discuss certain female writer because of her divisive views on certain topics, yet threads about hamas, a terrorist organization, are allowed?! Not just threads, they are ******* celebrated here Frankly **** you and your zionist transphobic ass 4 1
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