celeb news Matty Healy drags Rina Sawayama for working with Paris Hilton

[Pendulum]

Matty's future wife is Latina btw

[Communion]

3 hours ago, badvibez said:

Matty Healy has never owned Rina's masters, that was a lie. 

As long as he owns a % of Dirty Hit, he owns all the assets the label owns, including everyone's masters.

[badvibez]

1 hour ago, Communion said:

As long as he owns a % of Dirty Hit, he owns all the assets the label owns, including everyone's masters.

He owns 4% of Dirty Hit's shares and 25% of Dirty Hit's publishing company. He stepped down from his role as Creative Director of DH in 2023. He has no control over the day to day operations of DH or their publishing company. And the real kicker is that Dirty Hit operates at a loss... they're in huge debt and haven't generated net profit since 2018. We don't even know if he's making money off of DH period. Matty doesn't decide how Rina's music is licensed and he likely makes little to no profit from Rina's catalogue. Not in any way similar to how Scooter Braun sold off Taylor's catalogue for a huge profit without her approval. 

 

And while we're at it, there are flimsy "receipts" of Matty being supposedly sexist and Islamophobic dating back to 2014. Remember yourfaveisproblematic from Tumblr? He had an entry on there   This all existed when Rina signed her contract. I don't hate Rina. In fact, I like a good chunk of her discography. But it seems to me she draws a line arbitrarily and an irreverent humor podcast crosses that line whereas "sexist" lyrics and upsetting Muslim activists (what Matty was being flimsily accused of back then) doesn't. The things Paris said about minorities have no comedic context. Yes, that was a long time ago and it doesn't reflect Paris' attitudes today.  However it's just curious that this doesn't cross Rina's arbitrary ethical boundaries but laughing at a shock jock comedian's jokes does. That's why she's being labelled a hypocrite.

[BionicWooHoo]

 

this just came up on my YT feed a few days ago so it looks like Paris is at least trying to grow as a person? Idk. What has Taylor Swift's walking dildo done lately?

[Bethenny Frankel]

oh my god it's just a song that's going to flop anyways let rina live

[Phaunzie]

I can't talk because my fave Ms. Petras is stuffed too far up Paris' coin slot. Rina is a hypocrite, because honestly why do gays love Paris Hilton so much. Like Hillary Duff is right there on vacation, actual allies are there but the hyper pop girls wanna deepthroat Paris's brand of rich neo-liberal exclusivity and then spit out anti-capitalist talking points. 

Edited Saturday at 10:41 PM by Phaunzie

[Dera]

13 minutes ago, BionicWooHoo said:

What has Taylor Swift's walking dildo done lately?

 

[Phaunzie]

1 hour ago, badvibez said:

He owns 4% of Dirty Hit's shares and 25% of Dirty Hit's publishing company. He stepped down from his role as Creative Director of DH in 2023. He has no control over the day to day operations of DH or their publishing company. And the real kicker is that Dirty Hit operates at a loss... they're in huge debt and haven't generated net profit since 2018. We don't even know if he's making money off of DH period. Matty doesn't decide how Rina's music is licensed and he likely makes little to no profit from Rina's catalogue. Not in any way similar to how Scooter Braun sold off Taylor's catalogue for a huge profit without her approval. 

 

And while we're at it, there are flimsy "receipts" of Matty being supposedly sexist and Islamophobic dating back to 2014. Remember yourfaveisproblematic from Tumblr? He had an entry on there   This all existed when Rina signed her contract. I don't hate Rina. In fact, I like a good chunk of her discography. But it seems to me she draws a line arbitrarily and an irreverent humor podcast crosses that line whereas "sexist" lyrics and upsetting Muslim activists (what Matty was being flimsily accused of back then) doesn't. The things Paris said about minorities have no comedic context. Yes, that was a long time ago and it doesn't reflect Paris' attitudes today.  However it's just curious that this doesn't cross Rina's arbitrary ethical boundaries but laughing at a shock jock comedian's jokes does. That's why she's being labelled a hypocrite.

Oooop, you better clock ha

[AvadaKedavra]

51 minutes ago, Phaunzie said:

I can't talk because my fave Ms. Petras is stuffed too far up Paris' coin slot. Rina is a hypocrite, because honestly why do gays love Paris Hilton so much. Like Hillary Duff is right there on vacation, actual allies are there but the hyper pop girls wanna deepthroat Paris's brand of rich neo-liberal exclusivity and then spit out anti-capitalist talking points. 

I think is also cause Paris is really really rich and her family name has weight too
Paris Hilton Net Worth is $350 million. As Rich as Gaga-Katy
Paris sister is also married to someone from the  Rothchild family. AKA One of The Wealthiest richest families in the planet  
Rina is trading morals for power and networking  

she saw the gays hatin hold the girl and she was like..............they switch they switch..............Im goin maga. 
 

Edited Saturday at 11:28 PM by AvadaKedavra

[teresaguidice]

19 hours ago, FireFade said:

Rina really shouldn't have collaborated with that lady, I'm disappointed, but Matty is still the worse out of the two, he doesn't have the right to act holier-than-thou 

is he though? he laughed at racist jokes on an edgelord podcast while paris is on what she thought would be private video casually using the n word a bunch of times as an insult to black people in a totally matter-of-fact way like she says it every day. yeah, it was a long time ago and she probably doesn't do it anymore, but in her recent memoir, she mentions it vaguely and totally waves it away as a "trauma response" from the stuff she went through at her abusive boarding school and doesn't actually own up to anything. 

 

i don't personally care about defending or punishing either of them, but just objectively, paris was actively and insidiously racist as a grown adult, not just crass or insensitive in a 2000s'd way.

[FireFade]

2 hours ago, teresaguidice said:

is he though? he laughed at racist jokes on an edgelord podcast while paris is on what she thought would be private video casually using the n word a bunch of times as an insult to black people in a totally matter-of-fact way like she says it every day. yeah, it was a long time ago and she probably doesn't do it anymore, but in her recent memoir, she mentions it vaguely and totally waves it away as a "trauma response" from the stuff she went through at her abusive boarding school and doesn't actually own up to anything. 

 

i don't personally care about defending or punishing either of them, but just objectively, paris was actively and insidiously racist as a grown adult, not just crass or insensitive in a 2000s'd way.

by "worse out of the two," I meant Matty and Rina. her hypocrisy in this case is definitely bad, but nowhere near as bad as Matty's history of behavior towards others.

[fromily]

4 hours ago, badvibez said:

He owns 4% of Dirty Hit's shares and 25% of Dirty Hit's publishing company. He stepped down from his role as Creative Director of DH in 2023. He has no control over the day to day operations of DH or their publishing company. And the real kicker is that Dirty Hit operates at a loss... they're in huge debt and haven't generated net profit since 2018. We don't even know if he's making money off of DH period. Matty doesn't decide how Rina's music is licensed and he likely makes little to no profit from Rina's catalogue. Not in any way similar to how Scooter Braun sold off Taylor's catalogue for a huge profit without her approval. 

 

And while we're at it, there are flimsy "receipts" of Matty being supposedly sexist and Islamophobic dating back to 2014. Remember yourfaveisproblematic from Tumblr? He had an entry on there   This all existed when Rina signed her contract. I don't hate Rina. In fact, I like a good chunk of her discography. But it seems to me she draws a line arbitrarily and an irreverent humor podcast crosses that line whereas "sexist" lyrics and upsetting Muslim activists (what Matty was being flimsily accused of back then) doesn't. The things Paris said about minorities have no comedic context. Yes, that was a long time ago and it doesn't reflect Paris' attitudes today.  However it's just curious that this doesn't cross Rina's arbitrary ethical boundaries but laughing at a shock jock comedian's jokes does. That's why she's being labelled a hypocrite.

this breakdown of his actual role at DH is helpful ty~

 

but i think it's also worth pointing out that rina specifically called out the things matty said on that podcast: "This goes out to a white man that watches Ghetto Gaggers & mocks Asian people on a podcast..." She then played STFU!, which she has repeatedly said is a song about experiencing racist/sexist microagressions. (I know u know all this btw, just for the people who missed the og glastonbury drama). There's no way to know if she knew about the tumblr era accusations, which I agree are pretty flimsy, because she hasn't brought them up to my knowledge.

 

I think the things he said on the show were bad, but not particularly shocking. Personally I just work on the assumption that most men nowadays consume nasty porn and laugh at edgy jokes on the internet. I still think rina has a right to express her discomfort with these things but I also think it was a mistake to be so specific in her callout. Because at the end of the day, only the extremely online receipt holders are going to think that the contents of that interview would justify her wanting out of her contract w DH. Imo there had to have been smth bigger going on behind the scenes, but we may/probably will never know.

 

With regards to Paris, idk. She's clearly tried to be more progressive since being embraced by gay culture but it's unclear whether that change extends to matters where money is concerned. She's said that she voted for Trump (which would be in her interests) and then clarified that she didn't vote at all. Her situation is more complicated having grown up in an extremely rarified environment where she actually knew trump, and every other sicko business hack like him, since she was a child. So it's also not at all shocking to me that a glitterati heiress would grow up to be extremely conservative as well as racist/sexist/classist etc. After all, those attitudes underpin her generational wealth, regardless of whether she holds them today or not.

 

So on the one hand, it's not at all weird for rina to work w a contemporary gay icon. But it is definitely NOT a good look for her to be working with someone who has a history of 'problematic' behaviour when she has so publicly tied her career to calling out similarly reprehensible behaviour :/

 

I'm actually kind of more surprised that there isn't more of a backlash re: her working with sia (who is handling pretty much everything to do w paris' album) 

[dinorhino]

9 hours ago, Pendulum said:

Matty's future wife is Latina btw

And? Is this supposed to mean he's not racist/prejudiced? 

[Communion]

7 hours ago, badvibez said:

He owns 4% of Dirty Hit's shares and 25% of Dirty Hit's publishing company

...so yes, he's a co-owner of her masters, just how ownership works in the music industry. Like how Scooter wasn't the sole owner of Taylor's masters. Music rights are not some like fungible assets. They're not a stack of hundred dollar bills sitting in a safe in someone's home. Scooter didn't have a hard drive or treasure chest of Taylor's most treasured memories locked away in his home. He became the owner of her masters by him and a myriad of other investors becoming the majority owners of the business entity they were an asset of.

 

You can think Rina was being performative by her choice of phrasing to mimic Taylor's situation, but then that goes back to how Dirty Hit was being performative in claiming to care about Matty's offensive jokes and "holding him accountable" by letting him step down without any actual material consequence. 

 

Rina's an employee of Dirty Hit. She was concerned with an executive of the company being "let go" yet still retaining ownership in the company despite his racism. There's an argument that an executive in a normal corporate situation wouldn't be given as generous of a golden parachute in say, business or finance, if publicly disgracing the company by crudely joking about racial brutalization fetish porn. And it'd be understood as performative if say, the execs of Bank of America let go of a top exec for talking about racial fetish porn in such a way but then were outed as still giving him millions as part of his deal for stepping down.

 

You can't accuse Rina of being cynical and performative when she's reacting to her employer being cynical and performative in the first place.

 

"She's cynically trying to play the game for her benefit!!!" So is the corporate record label after doing crisis management after its flagship act participated in the very type of humor it clearly knows was not kosher to the exact type of fanbase and demographic they have cultivated as a following. The very type of progressive millennial woman Rina is which is being bashed here is the very reason why the 1975 is even famous. See: The 1975's fans who have stuck with Matty haven't even tried to do the usual thing Matty's podcast friends would do and embrace some "non-PC" defense, but instead now argue he was dishonestly framed as something he's not and that he's actually totally super uber progressive in his own right. Embrace who he is! I bet Dasha and Anna would call the band's fans arguing he's actually woke and progressive the r-slur ironically! 

Edited Sunday at 04:51 AM by Communion

[badvibez]

13 hours ago, Communion said:

...so yes, he's a co-owner of her masters, just how ownership works in the music industry. Like how Scooter wasn't the sole owner of Taylor's masters. Music rights are not some like fungible assets. They're not a stack of hundred dollar bills sitting in a safe in someone's home. Scooter didn't have a hard drive or treasure chest of Taylor's most treasured memories locked away in his home. He became the owner of her masters by him and a myriad of other investors becoming the majority owners of the business entity they were an asset of.

 

You can think Rina was being performative by her choice of phrasing to mimic Taylor's situation, but then that goes back to how Dirty Hit was being performative in claiming to care about Matty's offensive jokes and "holding him accountable" by letting him step down without any actual material consequence. 

 

Rina's an employee of Dirty Hit. She was concerned with an executive of the company being "let go" yet still retaining ownership in the company despite his racism. There's an argument that an executive in a normal corporate situation wouldn't be given as generous of a golden parachute in say, business or finance, if publicly disgracing the company by crudely joking about racial brutalization fetish porn. And it'd be understood as performative if say, the execs of Bank of America let go of a top exec for talking about racial fetish porn in such a way but then were outed as still giving him millions as part of his deal for stepping down.

 

You can't accuse Rina of being cynical and performative when she's reacting to her employer being cynical and performative in the first place.

 

"She's cynically trying to play the game for her benefit!!!" So is the corporate record label after doing crisis management after its flagship act participated in the very type of humor it clearly knows was not kosher to the exact type of fanbase and demographic they have cultivated as a following. The very type of progressive millennial woman Rina is which is being bashed here is the very reason why the 1975 is even famous. See: The 1975's fans who have stuck with Matty haven't even tried to do the usual thing Matty's podcast friends would do and embrace some "non-PC" defense, but instead now argue he was dishonestly framed as something he's not and that he's actually totally super uber progressive in his own right. Embrace who he is! I bet Dasha and Anna would call the band's fans arguing he's actually woke and progressive the r-slur ironically! 

You're getting a lot of things wrong.

 

Matty Healy doesn't own or control Rina's master's. He owns a share but doesn't get to decide how Rina's music is licensed. You can split hairs and say "but a fraction!1!!!" but he can't go and sell Rina's catalogue without her permission if he feels like it. It's disingenuous or, dare I say,  "performative" to claim that Matty owns Rina's masters. If her catalogue does in fact get sold off without her permission (or if she provides specific details to show that Dirty Hit mistreated her in any way) then I'll rally behind her. 

 

Matty stepped down from the position of Creative Director silently. No statement was made connecting it to the podcast. Most likely Matty decided to leave at the end of the tax year and it happened to coincide with the drama. Your Bank of America analogy falls flat because, like I mentioned, Dirty Hit is a failing company. He's most likely not making much money at all from DH. The 1975 was touring pretty much nonstop for most of 2022-2023, likely trying to make up for DH's financial losses. 

 

Matty Healy never sat down and said he likes to watch any category of porn. The hosts of The Adam Friedland show made a joke about watching a gross porn genre and Matty laughed. The butt of the joke wasn't the subject of the porn, but the hosts themselves. That's how shock jock comedy usually works; the comedians degrade themselves at the expense of the joke. If irreverent humor offends you, take it up with Nick Mullen and Adam Friedland. I'm not really convinced  policing comedy is a winning strategy with the general public, but you're welcome to it. I mean, if you look at what comedians are currently popular it's not exactly Hannah Gadsby. 

 

I'm glad you know the exact mindset of The 1975's fans too  which fanbase will you mindread next? 

[Afterglow]

On 6/14/2024 at 11:00 PM, BLΔCKP!NK said:

ppl can learn and grow im pretty sure rina had a convo with paris and this collab wasn't all random but whatever he's the last one to be talking x

This.

 

Paris has clearly grown as a person and you can feel it and see it. What else can the girl do but show support for the exact communities Republicans hate? Im confused!

[Communion]

27 minutes ago, badvibez said:

Matty Healy doesn't own or control Rina's master's. He owns a share but doesn't get to decide how Rina's music is licensed.

This seems like a distinction without a difference given you're pushing back on Scooter comparisons yet Scooter alone couldn't just sell or make these executive decisions over Taylor's catalog given the purchase of such was only possible due to a slew of investors whose money together made up the majority investment into buying Big Machine. Matty left Dirty Hit yet still retained his ownership in the company, owning part of Rina's work and thus what she's frustrated over. What's confusing here?

 

27 minutes ago, badvibez said:

Matty stepped down from the position of Creative Director silently.

His departure was pushed to music outlets to report on. Please don't be this blind of a stan.

 

Pitchfork:  1975's Matthew Healy Is No Longer a Director at Dirty Hit Limited

https://pitchfork.com/news/the-1975-matthew-healy-is-no-longer-director-at-dirty-hit-limited/#:~:text=Healy was appointed as a,move is administrative in nature.

 

27 minutes ago, badvibez said:

That's how shock jock comedy usually works

Yes, I am very familiar with CumTown and RedScare and its network of offshoots.

How does Matty feel about his fanbase being at odds politically with his friends?

Why didn't Charii include their besties Dasha and Anna in the 360 video? Surely neither would say something to offend either's fanbase, no? 

 

I know Dasha has had to clean up her act now that she has a real people job, but let's check in on Ann-

 

 

Edited Sunday at 07:11 PM by Communion

[badvibez]

1 minute ago, Communion said:

His departure was pushed to music outlets to report on. Please don't be this blind of a stan.

 

Yeah, but it has nothing to do with the podcast controversy. You claim that he was "let go" because of "racism" but we don't even know that. The outlets saw in the DH paperwork that Matty was no longer listed as creative director and reported on that. He probably quit. 

 

5 minutes ago, Communion said:

Yes, I am very familiar with CumTown and RedScare and its network of offshoots.

How does Matty feel about his fanbase being at odds politically with his friends?

Why didn't Charii include their besties Dasha and Anna in the 360 video? Surely neither would say something to offend either's fanbase, no? 

How do you know where the 1975's fans stand politically? If they're comedy policing types like you then they've probably turned in their stan cards by now. A lot of people are just apolitical normies who don't get worked up over comedians. Hence why shock jocks and "offensive" humor are popular in the first place. And what does charli or redscare have to do with this?? You've lost the plot a little, Communion. 

[Communion]

Just now, badvibez said:

How do you know where the 1975's fans stand politically?

Please don't pretend anyone buys cynical outrage over the alleged performativity of a mid-30s bisexual Asian woman while seemingly playing coy about the actual politics for most mid-30s bisexual blue-haired, largely-caucasian women who make up the reason why Matty Healy is famous. 

 

Again, there's a reason why Matty's fans - including even yourself - have pivoted to claiming he's actually progressive and not defined by his edgelord friends instead of leaning into the schtick and doubling-down. Not everyone can live and die by the sword of CumTown, babes.

 

"Shock jock humor is actually very popular" - okay so then why did he apologize to Ice Spice instead of just calling her the r-slur (ironically) for being upset?  

[badvibez]

1 minute ago, Communion said:

Please don't pretend anyone buys cynical outrage over the alleged performativity of a mid-30s bisexual Asian woman while seemingly playing coy about the actual politics for most mid-30s bisexual blue-haired, largely-caucasian women who make up the reason why Matty Healy is famous. 

 

Again, there's a reason why Matty's fans - including even yourself - have pivoted to claiming he's actually progressive and not defined by his edgelord friends instead of leaning into the schtick and doubling-down. Not everyone can live and die by the sword of CumTown, babes.

 

"Shock jock humor is actually very popular" - okay so then why did he apologize to Ice Spice instead of just calling her the r-slur (ironically) for being upset?  

Why are you just making strawmen of The 1975's fans? They were upset about Rina's statement because it was untrue. End of story. I'm not even sure they were outraged. But the anti-swifties on reddit calling him a Nazi pedophile unchecked seemed pretty outraged. 

 

I never said Matty was progressive. I don't even like cumtown, don't know where you're getting that. I just watched the video to see what was really said. You probably won't believe me, but whatever. Yeah it was stupid of him to apologize to Ice Spice, I'm not defending that. I don't think he should've called her a ****** either but you do for some reason? 

 

And why are we linking Anna Khachiyan tweets? She's edgy. We know this. 

[Communion]

11 minutes ago, badvibez said:

Why are you just making strawmen of The 1975's fans? They were upset about Rina's statement because it was untrue.

You've wasted now 3 days of your time still failing to show this and arguing distinctions without differences. 

 

Matty is profiting from her work despite no longer working for Dirty Hit. Rina is upset that someone who has left his duties at the company she works at, due to having a racism scandal (she an employee of the company knowing far more than his blind fans), has had no actual material consequences for these actions. 

 

Neither you nor anyone else who has tried to explain this can actually explain why he should be entitled to continued ownership despite no longer working for the company, and most have pivoted to trying to frame Rina's intentions as disingenuous. This not working because the 1975 owes their success to the very type of progressive, earnest female demographic you now seemingly try to lambast Rina for being part of.

 

You don't get to champion him as both a smol~ bean *and* a proud irreverent edgelord.

If Tumblr girls made you, you don't get to complain when they turn on you. 

Edited Sunday at 07:44 PM by Communion

[badvibez]

1 minute ago, Communion said:

You've wasted now 3 days of your time still failing to show this and arguing distinctions without differences. 

 

Matty is profiting from her work despite no longer working for Dirty Hit. Rina is upset that someone who has left his duties at the company she works at, due to having a racism scandal (she an employee of the company knowing far more than his blind fans), has had no actual material consequences for these actions. 

 

Neither you nor anyone else who has tried to explain this can actually explain why he should be entitled to continued ownership despite no longer working for the company, and most have pivoted to trying to frame Rina's intentions as disingenuous. This not working because the 1975 owes their success to the very type of progressive, earnest female demographic you now seemingly try to lambast Rina for being part of. You don't get to champion him as both a smol~ bean *and* a proud irreverent edgelord.

I'm not lambasting Rina for being a part of any demographic? I don't particularly care for people who try to dictate what type of comedy is okay and what types aren't. So maybe I disagree with her in that area, fine. She's not my friend.

 

She said something that was untrue, I'm just trying to set things straight. I never said matty was an edgelord or a smoll bean. Stop putting intentions on me, please. If I'm "wasting my time" then so are you. Matty is one of the label's cofounder and he owns financial shares. That's why he gets whatever measly  4% profits he can extract from a failing company. 

 

You're starting to make a lot of unsubstantiated claims about me so I'm dropping this conversation. Happy Father's Day. K, bye for now sunshine 

[KanMap]

On 6/15/2024 at 9:36 AM, Suilen said:

Rina being a hypocrite doesn't change the fact that he's trash and should stay away from her.

 

[Démodé]

On 6/15/2024 at 6:04 AM, Apolonio said:

Who cares we love Paris  

keep her.