ATRL Administrator Ryan Posted June 11 ATRL Administrator Share Posted June 11 The Vice President talks about the urgency of the upcoming election, the attack on reproductive rights, Trump's "gaslighting" of the American people, and more Source: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/kamala-harris-trump-abortion-israel-hamas-war-1235034796/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
If U Seek Amy Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 Oh this thread is gonna be good 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YellowRibbon Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 I mean... It's not like anything outside of a two-states solution makes sense, considering how many people on both sides live in the area today. You just can't expell entire generations of Jews that have settled there for decades nor you can expell the Palestinians either. The way ahead will be very tough and almost impossible to sort out though, there's a lot of resentment of both ends, lots of suffering, lots of dehumanizing thoughts on both sides, lots of extremists. It's a pretty f*cked up situation, when you sit down to analyze the entire history of the region. 9 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZIVERT Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 She's right. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
State of Grace. Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 (edited) Quote Let's understand that Israel, when that happened, has and had a right to defend itself. I think the **** not. Defend itself from WHAT? It's the occupier and colonizer in this and it has been committing ethnic cleansing and genocide against Palestinians for decades. Anybody entertaining this "self-defense" narrative and acting like this "war" (not even the right word for it) started on Oct 7, 2023 and not +75 years ago is complicit in this genocide. Once again, nothing this lady says makes sense. The real-life simulation of Veep continues. Edited June 11 by State of Grace. 14 3 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoganai Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 Her and Biden have made Trump and Pence look like two fine statesmen, jesus 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAP Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 (edited) Love her conviction. She proves to us consistently that the only line she can draw out is a white line. Edited June 11 by DAP 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Cowboy Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 Oh that's actually a very sensible response 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redstreak Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 6 minutes ago, shoganai said: Her and Biden have made Trump and Pence look like two fine statesmen, jesus Only if you're brain dead 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Communion Posted June 11 Popular Post Share Posted June 11 She's like the ChatGPT of politics. She will up that word count and try her best. Talking in circles like she's writing product descriptions on WISH or Temu. "Let's understand that Israel, when that happened, has and had a right to defend itself. We would. And let's understand that how it does so matters. There are many truths that exist at the same time. Far too many innocent Palestinian civilians have been killed. We are looking at famine conditions. Aid must get in. And hostages must be freed. And we need a two-state solution. And we need to have a cease-fire to get to a place where we can start building toward a two-state solution. And Palestinians are entitled to security and dignity and self-determination. And Israelis are entitled to security and safety." It's a shame she came after Obama cause her personality is likable but post-Obama reality means these kind of politicians reasonably hold no more social capital. Palestinians need security but an ethno-state also have a right to exist. Healthcare is a right but also everyone deserves to keep their private insurance if they like it. We are at a global climate crisis that requires radical action but also the oil companies aren't the enemy and deserve to make money like everyone else. Police brutality must end but also police are a key and needed part of securing the average American community. We need social justice but also a tough cop who cares about law and order. She's not just one icon. She's every icon. Me... I am Kamala, the elusive chantuese. 14 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesegayz Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 12 minutes ago, State of Grace. said: I think the **** not. Defend itself from WHAT? It's the occupier and colonizer in this and it has been committing ethnic cleansing and genocide against Palestinians for decades. Anybody entertaining this "self-defense" narrative and acting like this "war" (not even the right word for it) started on Oct 7, 2023 and not +75 years ago is complicit on this. Once again, nothing this lady says makes sense. The real-life simulation of Veep continues. Because those people who were at a music festival were committing ethnic cleansing. This colonizer / oppressor language is such bullsh*t that resonates with no one outside of your online echo chambers. yet you all are the first ones to scream "all eyes on rafah" because of innocent women and children… just like how oct 7 was full of innocent people 2 3 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
State of Grace. Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 How to spot a privileged Zionist with 0 brain cells: 2 minutes ago, thesegayz said: Because those people who were at a music festival were committing ethnic cleansing. This colonizer / oppressor language is such bullsh*t that resonates with no one outside of your online echo chambers. yet you all are the first ones to scream "all eyes on rafah" because of innocent women and children… just like how oct 7 was full of innocent people 7 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graves Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 16 minutes ago, Communion said: She's like the ChatGPT of politics. She will up that word count and try her best. Talking in circles like she's writing product descriptions on WISH or Temu. "Let's understand that Israel, when that happened, has and had a right to defend itself. We would. And let's understand that how it does so matters. There are many truths that exist at the same time. Far too many innocent Palestinian civilians have been killed. We are looking at famine conditions. Aid must get in. And hostages must be freed. And we need a two-state solution. And we need to have a cease-fire to get to a place where we can start building toward a two-state solution. And Palestinians are entitled to security and dignity and self-determination. And Israelis are entitled to security and safety." It's a shame she came after Obama cause her personality is likable but post-Obama reality means these kind of politicians reasonably hold no more social capital. Palestinians need security but an ethno-state also have a right to exist. Healthcare is a right but also everyone deserves to keep their private insurance if they like it. We are at a global climate crisis that requires radical action but also the oil companies aren't the enemy and deserve to make money like everyone else. Police brutality must end but also police are a key and needed part of securing the average American community. We need social justice but also a tough cop who cares about law and order. She's not just one icon. She's every icon. Me... I am Kamala, the elusive chantuese. nnnnn; not sure whether to like, laugh, or cry react to this post... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroSuitBritney Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 I don't care what this fake c*nt has to say, considering she tossed away all her progressive values she had when she was running for POTUS just to become the VP. Centrist c*nts can rot! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Communion Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 4 minutes ago, thesegayz said: Because those people who were at a music festival were committing ethnic cleansing I mean...literally yes. Their presence in Israel maintains it as a Jewish ethno-state. Liberals can't adapt to social justice rhetoric and now reject it when found stuck with a blood thirsty ally. You can't throw 2 decades of rhetoric on white privilege and intersectionality and colonialism away now that somehow it's inconvenient. If you were trying to make a coherent argument, you'd instead position that the ethnic cleansing of Palestine should be addressed through international cooperation and peacemaking, not rogue militant assaults on civilians and hostage-taking in retaliation to decades of subjugation. But I think you know that such leads to a question most can't answer - what exactly do Palestinians do if Israel is unwaveringly a Zionist entity dedicated to the eradication of the Palestinian people? Of course no innocent civilians should be hurt. Targeting civilians is a war crime. Yet if you actually thought this, you'd then know the only way to end harm to Israeli citizens is the elimination of Israel as a state. To end the Zionist entity. Because creating a state where a de-facto privileged majority is continually enabled to subjugate all other ethnicities then makes claims of self-defense meaningless. Because it is the existence of Israel in which the antagonism lies and which keeps a cycle of war crime for war crime going. 9 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byzantium Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 1 hour ago, YellowRibbon said: nor you can expell the Palestinians either. I see no indication of this not being Israel's plan though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Both Sides Now Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 A two state solution has been sabotaged by Israel planting nearly one million illegal settlers in the West Bank - a war crime that the US acknowledges but doesn't care about. 60,000 Americans are occupying Palestinian land in the West Bank. What security can she guarantee for the Palestinians currently being terrorised and lynched by settlers arriving from New Jersey to steal land from indigenous Palestinians? 7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostBox Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 She's right but of course there are gonna be the ones who are like "Nooo Israel must be abolished and never exist againnnnnnn" 1 4 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Communion Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 9 minutes ago, GhostBox said: She's right but of course there are gonna be the ones who are like "Nooo Rhodesia must be abolished and never exist againnnnnnn" . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BorderBoy Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 Nonsense. Does she need a reminder that it was the US who opposed a ****ing ceasefire resolution at the UN REPEATEDLY and gave a veto any state attempting to propose a ceasefire when Israel's genocide against Gaza began? Give us a break Harris. We're not stupid. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoganai Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 8 hours ago, Redstreak said: Only if you're brain dead 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aethereal Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 On 6/12/2024 at 12:06 AM, Both Sides Now said: A two state solution has been sabotaged by Israel planting nearly one million illegal settlers in the West Bank - a war crime that the US acknowledges but doesn't care about. 60,000 Americans are occupying Palestinian land in the West Bank. What security can she guarantee for the Palestinians currently being terrorised and lynched by settlers arriving from New Jersey to steal land from indigenous Palestinians? Remove them all. Problem is solved. I mean 8 million Ukrainians were displaced within a year. Displacing 500,000 settlers is no big deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dumbsparce Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 Why is she using "we"? Cringe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Letemtalk Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 On 6/12/2024 at 8:39 AM, YellowRibbon said: I mean... It's not like anything outside of a two-states solution makes sense, considering how many people on both sides live in the area today. You just can't expell entire generations of Jews that have settled there for decades nor you can expell the Palestinians either. The way ahead will be very tough and almost impossible to sort out though, there's a lot of resentment of both ends, lots of suffering, lots of dehumanizing thoughts on both sides, lots of extremists. It's a pretty f*cked up situation, when you sit down to analyze the entire history of the region. When people talk about a two-state solution and don't tell you what sort of two state solution they mean, it is completely meaningless. Whenever people say "two state solution" you should ask them to show you a map. Are they talking about pre 1967 borders, Bantustans, or something else? White supremacists get really angry when you show them this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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