Pinkbutterflies Posted June 10 Posted June 10 Because Beyonce is just greedy and very dishonest. We all know her daddy bought her all those song writing credits earlier in her career. Meanwhile, she was able to not only get away with it but also be awarded for it which is a big f u to all the poor artists that she stole from. You would think after becoming so successful, she would give up her dishonest ways, but no! Till this day, she continues to steal and profit from struggling artists -- the only difference is now instead of daddy it's husband Jay. 2 2 6
EnigmaticAndroid Posted June 10 Posted June 10 Because there's no pretense about Rihanna being some prolific songwriter. Everyone knows that she picks from the demos presented to her and it is what it is. Beyoncé and her team try to run the narrative that she is a "songwriter" even though everyone knows that she basically edits together other people's writing. 2 4
Anvarie Posted June 10 Posted June 10 16 minutes ago, Thor said: Because Rihanna stans don't force this fake image of her being this deep, intellectual artiste who is writing her own songs, producing her own music, coming up with every single concept for her albums like Beyonce stans do. Just look at the song with Miley, we just found out that Miley had written the song 2 years ago and even recorded a demo that's literally the exact same on the album. That's no different than what Sia or Ester Dean were doing for Rihanna albums. Beyonce literally cannot put together an album without the help of a massive 200-300 ppl team but if you were to believe the media and her stans, you'd think she writes every single song, plays every single instrument, produces every single song. But history has repeatedly shown that Beyonce is a curator, she takes other ppls songs and ideas and puts together an album but meticulously creates this illusion that she is the brains behind everything when that's never been the case. And that's why she constantly gets called out and dragged by stan world and sometimes even by ppl in the industry (hence the countless lawsuits against her). It's all smokes & mirrors. Beyoncé works with 2-3 writers on a typical song, sometimes even just 1. Most people are confusing samples with "200 writers". Every person who works with Beyoncé praises her involvement and talent when it comes to creating her projects. There's a reason she has a string of acclaimed albums, while other girls have access to the same resources but get panned 3
BOOMBAYAH Posted June 10 Posted June 10 Rihanna is primarily seen as a pop star, not as a real artist. Beyoncé, on the other hand, is viewed as an artist. The optics of Beyoncé having writing camps are bad because many people, including those in the industry, view songwriting and/or producing most of your work as pivotal to being taken seriously. An artist not writing/producing their work comes with an implication that they're just another industry pawn. That's why Beyoncé gets so much heat for it I think.
BrokenMachine Posted June 10 Posted June 10 23 minutes ago, Broken said: "Rihanna gets a free pass" Have you been living under a rock? Your sig about this topic 1
Donquizote Posted June 10 Posted June 10 Because Rih didn't steal writing credits And Rih is not overrated like Beyonce 2
Brooklyn Baby Posted June 10 Posted June 10 Who gives Rihanna a free pass? But in all seriousness, songwriting is very important but it is NOT everything. What matters is the finished product. Nobody in the real world cares if Bey or Rih aren't the main writers of their music
Anvarie Posted June 10 Posted June 10 Writing credit can also be earned by producers who design the beats, artists who sing the song and add their own flavor, engineers who mix the track and others who work specifically on the melody." "Here's the thing about Beyonce specifically. She is one of those artists who is very involved every step of the way when it comes to the record, her overall vision for a project, the direction and how it should be rolled out. She gave me the direction in terms of how she wanted it to feel, what she wanted it to sound like, the feeling she wanted the music to deliver, and she's the one who had the idea to come get me. That's production in itself. So her name on that record is 100 percent right as a producer." - Just Blaze (producer) "[She finished it] about two weeks ago; [it was] just better, polished, you know? She knew what she was looking for. "Oh man, this fits right in." But she's a genius, so she can pick pieces — like any genius can do — and conflate them into an actual new being, a new concept, a new construct." - Malik Yusef (producer) "B was the main producer, as every idea had to pass her approval and the bars that she set. Ideas would come in and she'd say 'OK, that's great, but let's add live drums to this part,' you know? It was her experimenting, getting her ideas out, and a great team of people around her executing those ideas. sometimes we'd just get four or five takes of a whole song and comp from that — she and I would go line by line, and pick the ones she liked — and other times, we'd comp on the fly by punching necessary lines. Then, once we had our leads, she'd knock out the backing vocals real easy, and most of the time she does her own vocal arrangements too, figuring out her own harmonies." - DJ Swivel (engineer/producer) "She is a true genius at producing and she's brilliantly right on it, all the time. She may say, 'That sounds cool, but can you dirty it up?' and I'll put on some of her favourite saturation or distortion plug‑ins to try to get the right feeling. We have very similar taste in sonics and we're always painting in the sense that there's a focal point — the lead vocals, the drums, the bass, the chords, all the stuff that's the meat of the track — and then we've got all these sounds that are more in the distance, as in 'Let's make this sound like it's down a long hallway, or in a fishbowl.' I work closely with her in terms of where stuff goes in a 3D space." - Stuart White (engineer/mixer) "Ne-Yo explained—shaking his head, and clearly in distress over the question—that the song he wrote and the song Beyoncé recorded were "two damn totally different songs, with all the harmonies and extra stuff that she put in there." "So yeah I gave her writer's credit," he continued. "Because that counts. That's writing." In summary: "She put her spin on it." - Neyo about Irreplaceable "She does stuff on any given song that, when you go from the demo to the final version, takes it to another level that you never would have thought of as the writer." He went on: "For instance, on 'Halo,' that bridge on her version is completely different to my original one. Basically she came in, ditched that, edited it, did her vocal thing on it and now it's became one of my favorite parts of the song. The whole melody, she wrote it spontaneously in the studio. So her credit on that song stems from that." - Ryan Tedder on Halo "Beyoncé is a phenomenal writer. Oh yeah, by the way, she pretty much wrote everything on the song. I came in with the music and I had the idea about drunk situations. She helped build it and turned it into this massive thing." - Producer Detail on Drunk in Love I haven't heard praise for Rihanna's involvement in her music whether it by lyrically, vocally, conceptually. I never hear people praise her talents as an artist. Whereas Beyoncé does get this praise from people who she collaborates with. Christopher Nolan has an army on set to make his films, same with Quentin Tarantino or Steven Spielberg. Yet nobody diminishes their talent or claims they're not true artists. Even Taylor Swift's recent albums have been collaborative process with Jack, but nobody says that they dont reflect her voice or ideas 1
Thor Posted June 10 Posted June 10 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Anvarie said: Beyoncé works with 2-3 writers on a typical song, sometimes even just 1. Most people are confusing samples with "200 writers". Every person who works with Beyoncé praises her involvement and talent when it comes to creating her projects. There's a reason she has a string of acclaimed albums, while other girls have access to the same resources but get panned Oh pls. Not those bogus paid-for Metacritic scores. Those critics are simply rating Beyonce and not the albums. They know its uncool to criticize her in any way shape or form so they praise everything she puts out to high heavens. And that's also why that acclaim never translates to a AOTY award for example, which she and her stans so badly want, because the industry is voting for it and they all know the truth about her. And since you brought up other girls, why does Beyonce get entangled in more lawsuits than any other pop girl, what about that? So much for "works with writers." Ppl in the industry are simply scared of speaking up bcoz they know it'll ruin their career. She routinely muscles her way into songwriting credits and the countless lawsuits of frustrated artists (who are actually in the industry) prove that. Edited June 10 by Thor 3 1
LegaMyth Posted June 10 Posted June 10 As a BeyHive member, I can honestly say it's Beyoncé's own fought. The songwriting issues started when she said on stage that she wrote Irreplaceable. That was the beginning. Then, she remade Desiree song and added herself as a writer, which went against the agreement. She constantly says "I write, I wrote" but there will be tons if people listed as writers. 3 1
Wicked Posted June 10 Posted June 10 51 minutes ago, BionicWooHoo said: pretty much this. I like Rihanna but she's always been that cool girl who like puts out consistent bops. I dont exactly think of her as being like this high brow artist who makes conceptual albums. Frank Sinatra was exactly that and is N/A on credits on his several acclaimed albums. He orchestrated the creative process of his albums, but is nowhere to be found in the credits, and nobody cares.
itshyolee Posted June 10 Posted June 10 48 minutes ago, glitch said: @RideOrDie clocked Miss Fenty's stolen credits tea a few months ago What happened to that thread anyways? But back on topic, this conversation is tired. Both ladies have been dragged to hell and back for using writing camps.
Shelter Posted June 10 Posted June 10 No one cares about Rihanna like that. People just want to bring Beyonce down for whatever reason so they cling on to crumbs. There is different rules for each pop star it seems.
Xtina23 Posted June 10 Posted June 10 1 hour ago, Thor said: Because Rihanna stans don't force this fake image of her being this deep, intellectual artiste who is writing her own songs, producing her own music, coming up with every single concept for her albums like Beyonce stans do. Just look at the song with Miley, we just found out that Miley had written the song 2 years ago and even recorded a demo that's literally the exact same on the album. That's no different than what Sia or Ester Dean were doing for Rihanna albums. Beyonce literally cannot put together an album without the help of a massive 200-300 ppl team but if you were to believe the media and her stans, you'd think she writes every single song, plays every single instrument, produces every single song. But history has repeatedly shown that Beyonce is a curator, she takes other ppls songs and ideas and puts together an album but meticulously creates this illusion that she is the brains behind everything when that's never been the case. And that's why she constantly gets called out and dragged by stan world and sometimes even by ppl in the industry (hence the countless lawsuits against her). It's all smokes & mirrors. YASSS QUEEN @Thor! PREACH! SPEAK THE TRUTH! AMEN!!! 1
QueenBeyoncé Posted June 10 Posted June 10 Beyoncé really make you loose booty bottoms' bust a blood vessel and I love it 1
BrokenMachine Posted June 11 Posted June 11 1 hour ago, Pinkbutterflies said: Because Beyonce is just greedy and very dishonest. We all know her daddy bought her all those song writing credits earlier in her career. Meanwhile, she was able to not only get away with it but also be awarded for it which is a big f u to all the poor artists that she stole from. You would think after becoming so successful, she would give up her dishonest ways, but no! Till this day, she continues to steal and profit from struggling artists -- the only difference is now instead of daddy it's husband Jay. Not the lame 'but daddy and Jay-Z!!1!!' drag in 2024 1
Onyxmage Posted June 11 Posted June 11 Because Rihanna isn't pretentious and doesn't expect everyone to give her critical praise? 1
GeminiCat Posted June 11 Posted June 11 Both get whacked for it. It's just one cares about getting songwriter cred and being taken seriously as a writer, the other not so much.
KingJay Posted June 11 Posted June 11 2 hours ago, Cesar said: the thing is everyone knows rihanna doesn't write her own music. you can literally hear the demo versions of her songs that sound exactly like the final version. beyonce in the other hand, likes to pretends she writes her music. this is no shade to beyonce either, i love her music. but cmon now Came to say this. Rihanna doesn't pretend to be something she is not.
period sis Posted June 11 Posted June 11 1 hour ago, Thor said: Oh pls. Not those bogus paid-for Metacritic scores. Those critics are simply rating Beyonce and not the albums. They know its uncool to criticize her in any way shape or form so they praise everything she puts out to high heavens. And that's also why that acclaim never translates to a AOTY award for example, which she and her stans so badly want, because the industry is voting for it and they all know the truth about her. And since you brought up other girls, why does Beyonce get entangled in more lawsuits than any other pop girl, what about that? So much for "works with writers." Ppl in the industry are simply scared of speaking up bcoz they know it'll ruin their career. She routinely muscles her way into songwriting credits and the countless lawsuits of frustrated artists (who are actually in the industry) prove that. It's easy to dismiss metacritic scores when a certain fav is still yet to achieve a score in the 80s and has no album worthy of acclaim and all this sounds like the voices in your head. Constantly bringing up the AOTY award like a black woman hasn't won one in this millennium is crazy. What's funny is that a certain fave is also yet to win that award and the closest she went to winning one was when she clung onto the back of a 96-year-old man. Literally everyone goes through lawsuits. Is Ed Sheeran not a credible songwriter anymore of the Shape of You situation? Where he quite literally had to give up royalties to that song Bey has not had more lawsuits than "any other pop girl" If people are "scared" to work with Bey, then they wouldn't RAYE, who has always voiced her troubles with how songwriters are treated in the industry appears in Cowboy Carter, after already appearing on The Gift, and expressing her love and gratitude on being featured on a Beyonce album and even mentioned how Bey supported her through her label troubles. Doesn't sound like someone afraid to ruin their career - guess you'll just assume she was paid by Jay to say that or something Rihanna had more people speak out against her during the making of ANTI (Tinashe, SZA, banks lawsuit) yet people seem to forget that, conveniently.
Sprite Posted June 11 Posted June 11 (edited) Because Rihanna's richer than Beyonce Edited June 11 by Sprite
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