celeb news Caitlyn Jenner: "I am a male - not a woman. Chromosomes don't lie."

[Bloo]

13 minutes ago, thesegayz said:

But if this was a Sam Smith thread, this would be a comment that triggers ZTP, right @Bloo? Double standards are wonderful 

If you think a rule has been broken, please do your part and submit a report. Thank you. 

11 minutes ago, Moloko Plus said:

Caitlyn is free to express herself and how she feels as she pleases, she shouldn't care about the possible "implications" of her statements especially when said implications are moreso coming from people who already hate her because of her right wing politics. A reminder that people don't get to police others language because they determine it to be 'unproductive'. 

 

She is totally free to do that. Following that, we are also allowed to criticize her hypocrisy and ignorance however we see fit.  

[Mastamaind]

2 minutes ago, Moloko Plus said:

So using your logic you think it's okay for anyone to intentionally misgender transgender people (i.e. calling them 'it') on the basis of 'judging their character'?

Reading comprehension dude, not misgendering her, just calling her a piece of sh*t.

[Communion]

10 hours ago, Joesuxx said:

The anger in here, her chromosomes are and will always be those of their assigned gender at birth. That's the case for any trans person regardless of wether they've transitioned medically or not. It's a biological fact, regardless of wether it's their personal truth. If she wishes to acknowledge that then it's her chromosomes, let her think what she wants about them and herself. 

https://atrl.net/search/?&q=trans&quick=1&author=Joesuxx&search_and_or=or&sortby=relevancy

 

Not sure anyone should care about what someone who repeatedly defended JK Rowling - who now spends her days on Twitter literally randomly quoting random trans women's selfies and mocking them as "ugly men" - has to say about another self-hating, conservative murderess. 

 

Fuming and literally writing paragraphs that Dylan Mulvaney writing about loving pink and finding boys hot is "a mockery of womanhood" yet defending Catlyn Jenner arguing being male makes it impossible for someone to be a woman as "just expressing her truth". How incongruent. I wonder why.

Edited June 2 by Communion

[Moloko Plus]

4 minutes ago, Mastamaind said:

Reading comprehension dude, not misgendering her, just calling her a piece of sh*t.

Not you trying to read me for 'reading comprehension' lmao, you literally suggested referring to her as an 'It' instead of she/her. Hope that ZTP gets your ass 

[Mastamaind]

Just now, Moloko Plus said:

Not you trying to read me for 'reading comprehension' lmao, you literally suggested referring to her as an 'It' instead of she/her. Hope that ZTP gets your ass 

"It" is not a gender. The reading comprehension lands where I was not referring to her gender but rather her not qualifying as a human but an "it", a "thing". Get it now?

 

What's with the obsession of defending a bigot?

[Domination]

2 minutes ago, Mastamaind said:

"It" is not a gender. The reading comprehension lands where I was not referring to her gender but rather her not qualifying as a human but an "it", a "thing". Get it now?

 

What's with the obsession of defending a bigot?

"It" is a very common way derogatorily refer to trans people and always has been, don't act dumb.

 

Theres no obsession with defending a "bigot". Transphobia is transphobia, whether it's coming from Caitlyn (a trans person) or you. You're not progressive, just a fundamentalist and as much of a bigot as she is.

[Moloko Plus]

7 minutes ago, Mastamaind said:

"It" is not a gender. The reading comprehension lands where I was not referring to her gender but rather her not qualifying as a human but an "it", a "thing". Get it now?

 

What's with the obsession of defending a bigot?

Girl bye, in any other thread about a different transgender person, you'd be DRAGGED for your comments. But since majority of this website already has a hate boner for Caitlyn, I guess the casual transphobia gets a pass. The double standards are disgusting.

[Kyle-x]

re: her initial tweet - not her posting a pride month tweet after her meltdowns about it last year ddd

[50thStateofMind]

🤮 

[AccioMiley]

Can we put a ZTP on topics about Caitlyn Jenner too? 

[Mastamaind]

4 minutes ago, Moloko Plus said:

Girl bye, in any other thread about a different transgender person, you'd be DRAGGED for your comments. But since majority of this website already has a hate boner for Caitlyn, I guess the casual transphobia gets a pass. The double standards are disgusting.

I wouldn't do that 'cause I'm not transphobic. I have called her out 'cause she's being a piece of sh*t. Do you understand nuance?

[Mastamaind]

23 minutes ago, Domination said:

"It" is a very common way derogatorily refer to trans people and always has been, don't act dumb.

 

Theres no obsession with defending a "bigot". Transphobia is transphobia, whether it's coming from Caitlyn (a trans person) or you. You're not progressive, just a fundamentalist and as much of a bigot as she is.

You're the one playing dumb because multiple people here have been calling her names because of her character but you suddenly draw the line at "it"? Please.

 

Also, not you calling me a "fundamentalist" 'cause of a joke you didn't get, I was the one who made the joke and that was the meaning I was going for and understanding the context of her actions I think it was pretty clear to be understood.

Edited June 2 by Mastamaind

[Sugar-Rush]

I'm really confused now. Do we still refer to Caitlyn with female pronouns as we have for the past ~10 years, or does Caitlyn's tweet mean we have to refer to them with male pronouns again?  Btw I don't think "it" sounds very respectful, but that's just me.

[Nashe]

why does his/her opinion matter so much to u guys that u get so worked up over it? idgi

[Joesuxx]

1 hour ago, Communion said:

https://atrl.net/search/?&q=trans&quick=1&author=Joesuxx&search_and_or=or&sortby=relevancy

 

Not sure anyone should care about what someone who repeatedly defended JK Rowling - who now spends her days on Twitter literally randomly quoting random trans women's selfies and mocking them as "ugly men" - has to say about another self-hating, conservative murderess. 

 

Fuming and literally writing paragraphs that Dylan Mulvaney writing about loving pink and finding boys hot is "a mockery of womanhood" yet defending Catlyn Jenner arguing being male makes it impossible for someone to be a woman as "just expressing her truth". How incongruent. I wonder why.

Thanks I just read through it, and I'll say it again louder, didn't have to scroll very far to say on multiple levels that I don't subscribe to her sentiments I welcome her right to her opinion just like I have the right to mine. I also stand by the fact that Dylan's juvenile stereotypes of womanhood are an incredibly unrealistic and poor reflection of the realities for trans women without the privilege. I'm not the one condemning a person for comments about their own invisible chromosomes. 

[Communion]

3 minutes ago, Joesuxx said:

I welcome her right to her opinion just like I have the right to mine

Her "opinion" that trans people don't actually exist, are inherently a threat to cis women, and must be criminalized by all powers of the state? 

 

Genuinely who actually do you all think you're fooling? It's the same nonsense from the same users over and over in threads about trans issues. Who do you think you're convincing when you continually degrade and demonize progressive trans people and consistently uphold conservative trans people or conservative views held by trans people or say it's just "a matter of opinion" when anti-LGBTQ figures like JK Rowling continually call for what amounts to the elimination of trans people from public society? 

 

Dylan Mulvaney liking pink is "juvenile" while Catlyn Jenner degrading herself and peddling junk science is "just expressing her truth"? 

You genuinely think you're more clever than you actually are and think no one catches on to the rhetoric being cut-and-pasted from the all same right-wing cultural outlets.

 

Catlyn saying her chromosomes means she can't be a woman isn't an "opinion" - it's her being an idiot and rejecting what is the actual medical consensus on what is sex. 

[Cheers]

I get what she was trying to say but she worded it badly. Also, the person she replied to + her overall message/image is just not helping. Jenner should have just shut tf up.

[Breathe On Moi]

7 hours ago, Apolonio said:

New ATRL emote when? 
 

[Joesuxx]

9 minutes ago, Communion said:

Her "opinion" that trans people don't actually exist, are inherently a threat to cis women, and must be criminalized by all powers of the state? 

 

Genuinely who actually do you all think you're fooling? It's the same nonsense from the same users over and over in threads about trans issues. Who do you think you're convincing when you continually degrade and demonize progressive trans people and consistently uphold conservative trans people or conservative views held by trans people or say it's just "a matter of opinion" when anti-LGBTQ figures like JK Rowling continually call for what amounts to the elimination of trans people from public society? 

 

Dylan Mulvaney liking pink is "juvenile" while Catlyn Jenner degrading herself and peddling junk science is "just expressing her truth"? 

You genuinely think you're more clever than you actually are and think no one catches on to the rhetoric being cut-and-pasted from the all same right-wing cultural outlets.

 

Catlyn saying her chromosomes means she can't be a woman isn't an "opinion" - it's her being an idiot and rejecting what is the actual medical consensus on what is sex. 

I don't consider myself to be fooling anyone. I enjoy democracy and therefore must recognise the need for democracy stems from the fact that there will always be a difference of opinion in any and every society. To shy away from the fact that opinions differ from mine would be delusional bordering on ideological. I can accept those opinions without resorting to harmful, abusive and threatening language towards those that hold them. I'm also not keen on the level of misogyny required to bully old women on the internet for their ill informed opinions. I'm also not one for this sudden movement of championing all and every trans woman  until one says something that doesn't match my own personal politics. There's a nuance and a discourse on every single angle of the conversation, but it can become hypocritical to insist you believe trans individuals are who they say they are and then openly lambaste a transwoman for talking about how she feels about herself and her biology.

[Communion]

2 minutes ago, Joesuxx said:

To shy away from the fact that opinions differ from mine

Again, chromosomes do not define sex and sex does not define gender. You're not defending someone having a difference of opinion - you're defending disinformation.

 

If Catlyn hates poor people and POC so much she rather be around people who'd call her a man as long as they support lowering her taxes, that's her prerogative, but being a self-hating weirdo is not an excuse to use purposefully imprecise and dishonest language.

 

If she wanted to say "I'm not a woman because I identify as a man," that's up to her, though I highly doubt she'd actually go that far, because even far-right bigots like herself, Blaire, and more show that the innuendo is the farthest they're personally willing to go as red meat to a conservative base.

 

But "I'm not a woman because I identify as a man" =/= "I'm not a woman, I'm male". The latter is an illogical statement that can only make sense to the person who said it if they think being male somehow means one can't also be a woman, a rejection of modern medical science that no one owes Catlyn to indulge her in.

 

You genuinely think you've found some convenient rhetoric trick - "hmm,, I thought we support TRANS WOMEN in IDENTIFYING HOW THEY WANT" - that tries to preserve sex essentialism under the guise of choice feminism, seemingly never encountering someone before who knows exactly what this trick sets out to do.

[Marla Singer]

Yet she plays golf competitions against women and hits from the women's tee box. Hypocritical hag.

[Joesuxx]

9 minutes ago, Communion said:

Again, chromosomes do not define sex and sex does not define gender. You're not defending someone having a difference of opinion - you're defending disinformation.

 

If Catlyn hates poor people and POC so much she rather be around people who'd call her a man as long as they support lowering her taxes, that's her prerogative, but being a self-hating weirdo is not an excuse to use purposefully imprecise and dishonest language.

 

If she wanted to say "I'm not a woman because I identify as a man," that's up to her, though I highly doubt she'd actually go that far, because even far-right bigots like herself, Blaire, and more show that the innuendo is the farthest they're personally willing to go as red meat to a conservative base.

 

But "I'm not a woman because I identify as a man" =/= "I'm not a woman, I'm male". The latter is an illogical statement that can only make sense to the person who said it if they think being male somehow means one can't also be a woman, a rejection of modern medical science that no one owes Catlyn to indulge her in.

 

You genuinely think you've found some convenient rhetoric trick - "hmm,, I thought we support TRANS WOMEN in IDENTIFYING HOW THEY WANT" - that tries to preserve sex essentialism under the guise of choice feminism, seemingly never encountering someone before who knows exactly what this trick sets out to do.

I honestly do not know what to say to you. Whereas Caitlyn identifies as a woman her chromosomes are male. So forgive me but I lost interest after this first paragraph. 
 

"Again, chromosomes do not define sex and sex does not define gender. You're not defending someone having a difference of opinion - you're defending disinformation."

 

Caitlyn has a Y Chromosome. The Y chromosome is present in all assigned male at birth. That's not disinformation, that's science. It doesn't determine gender, but it is a biological characteristic exclusive to the male sex. 

[Communion]

5 minutes ago, Joesuxx said:

Whereas Caitlyn identifies as a woman

?

 

I know syntax is hard but how is anyone with two eyes meant to read this sentence? Explain it. 

Were you in the car with her when she killed that person? 

Edited June 2 by Communion

[Iceland]

No, you're TRASH, sweatheart

[Joesuxx]

45 minutes ago, Communion said:

?

 

I know syntax is hard but how is anyone with two eyes meant to read this sentence? Explain it. 

Were you in the car with her when she killed that person? 

I feel as if the context in question is something we've seen from her and others multiple times. There are groups of trans men and women that do say they are not biologically the gender they identify as and very often and when they do, despite being factual, is offensive to some people. very often you hear people, especially those who have lived decades as someone else say "I'm not a man I'm a trans man" because that's how they've lived decades viewing themself, and that's what I'd say this is. Wether you agree, (and yes this can be an environmental factor specific to the individual and their support units) these people genuinely think that about themselves and that doesn't offend them or shame them to say.
 

I appreciate the way you haven't apologised nor clarified you "disinformation" blunder but don't appreciate how you mentioned me simply to  band around an innocent victim of something awful, not for the first time instead…. As if this somehow cements your intellectual authority on this subject. It's not it, nor is it pertinent to the discussion. Evidently you're prepared to say absolutely anything to continue trying to convince everyone Caitlyn shouldn't have said this about themself simply because you don't like Caitlyn. Not only have you made blatant inaccuracies and subjective statement in your argument, you've sought out years old posts from users who haven't expressed the same vehement dislike for her in this thread as yourself. It's quite the level of dedication for Caitlyn Jenner, of all people.  Like if you don't like Caitlyn Jenner that's great. I can't say I like her or not, what I did say is" I can't understand the anger in this thread", and having seen the way that comment upset you so passionately, I can't say I'm any more enlightened having been blessed with this much of your time and energy, but thanks all the same. 

Edited June 2 by Joesuxx