celeb news Jennifer Lopez cancels summer US tour

[Sergiov]

2 hours ago, insomniac said:

Touringdata sales data > some random screenshots of arenas on Ticketmaster shared by a hater. Deal with it. Numbers don't lie and she had sold 73.49% of all seats with 1 month left to go. My life is perfectly fine. Thank you. 

LMFAO. You could even check them yourself, as I did. And most screenshots are in an article in Variety.com. Please, go outside, touch some grass and let it go. 

[insomniac]

29 minutes ago, Sergiov said:

LMFAO. You could even check them yourself, as I did. And most screenshots are in an article in Variety.com. Please, go outside, touch some grass and let it go. 

Yeah, Variety.com, the same outlet that literally published an article last week saying they pursued the "JLo low tour sales" narrative heavily for clicks!!
 

Touringdata sales numbers have always been used by any fanbase as a legitimate source for tour sales data. She sold 73.49% one month before the tour would start. These are the facts. Suddenly with J.Lo we have to ignore those touring days numbers and take them as untrue?  GTFO. 

Edited June 6 by insomniac

[Sergiov]

19 minutes ago, insomniac said:

Yeah, Variety.com, the same outlet that literally published an article last week saying they pursued the "JLo low tour sales" narrative heavily for clicks!!
 

Touringdata sales numbers have always been used by any fanbase as a legitimate source for tour sales data. She sold 73.49% one month before the tour would start. These are the facts. Suddenly with J.Lo we have to ignore those touring days numbers and take them as untrue?  GTFO. 

I can't even. As Live Nation and the insurance companies would let someone cancel an ENTIRE TOUR just because they want to spend time with their loved ones. Also, if that was the case, why is the tour completely cancelled and not just postponed until next year? Make it make sense.

[holyground13]

15 hours ago, Inverted said:

Some of you desperately need to see a therapist. It's really disturbing how you're mocking and celebrating when someone is at their low point whether they're rich or not.

 

Anyway, this is probably her worst year career-wise since the intense Bennifer 1.0 backlash in 2003. That really destroyed her career and she basically disappeared for years. It's very strange that she tried to repeat the same thing. It's okay to love him, but being a celebrity is about your public image. The public did not like them together before and ripped her apart back then so why repeat that? Why make an album and try to promote it with a movie? I get that she loves love, but you have to think about what the public wants too. Also, why doesn't she focus on giving all to one project? Like a movie. I have never seen her change her look since American Idol started.

 

People also criticize her for saying she's from the Bronx (when she doesn't even say it much), but it's come to the point that they're even actively making things up like claiming Castle Hill is not a bad area (uh... yes it is lol), she made up that "orange drink" (it's a quarter water; anyone from NY who isn't a transplant or born after 2005 knows what that is) or saying she doesn't do any charity work. She never addresses any of this. Does she think it'll disappear? We're in the age of the Internet. People never forget.

 

She should fire Benny and Elaine or at least hire new people. She and they NEVER address mis/disinformation at all. Like all of this:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

These posts are proof that perception rules over reality.

 

a) There is no actual proof of her poor behavior to service workers or anybody. We're in 2024 and no one has managed to get a video of her misbehaving? But we easily get other on celebs on video being nasty? There's a viral TikTok about how she chased an employee across a casino take a tip back. And that wasn't caught on video? I find that hard to believe. @Afterglow shared a story of someone he knows and the story involved her team being demanding and asking for food to be returned to the point the hostess or server had an anxiety attack. That's hardly evidence of her personally mistreating service worker. And the MET Gala incident mentioned by @Bimbo? Walking up the stairs a red carpet and answering a reporter asking where your dress came from with a depressed, dead response is evidence of mistreating people?

 

All these stories are about somebody who knows somebody who heard about it. What happened to actual proof, not TikTok bandwagons? And actual videos of her berating people?

 

b) The "stealing" narrative is getting old. We already know she can't sing and her early songs have her "backup" singers doing the heavy lifting on the hooks of songs while she whispers and mumbles, but she is a vocalist on the songs and nothing was "stolen." Christina Milian, Ashanti, Y'anna Crawley, etc. have attested to that. And it's not just black women who have been hired to be backup for her so let's stop with that narrative also.

 

c) And the "used by Tommy to get back at Mariah" narrative needs to be stop also. She was recruited by Tommy to be a female answer to Ricky Martin, not as revenge against Mariah. That's her first album has a pseudo-Latin pop feel. Tommy also recycled a sample Mariah wanted and the idea of a Ja Rule duet for J.Lo's team, but Jessica Simpson, Angela Via and Faith Hill were also recipients of ideas initially for Mariah. Where's the vitriol towards them?

You have a point stating that there haven't been videos of her being rude, I didn't consider that fully before. Though I read information years ago that she was rude much before the recent bandwagon, so I'm not basing it off recent information much at all. I did see some people such as the songwriter for Medicine defend her, so she may be nicer than it seems from other information. I think more than anything I find it difficult to relate to a musician who models themselves on being an underdog to root for when they are supposedly rude in real life.

 

I do feel bad for her because it's not nice to see an entertainer being ridiculed online no matter if they did some questionable things or not. The reason for the hate train in my view is that her type of celebrity has not translated well from 2000 to 2024. She's really famous however she doesn't have a lot of stans considering her level of fame. So when people ridicule her online there aren't a lot of people to defend her. Lots of musicians have things people could criticize them for, but nothing takes off online because their fanbases would never allow that.

[insomniac]

58 minutes ago, Sergiov said:

I can't even. As Live Nation and the insurance companies would let someone cancel an ENTIRE TOUR just because they want to spend time with their loved ones. Also, if that was the case, why is the tour completely cancelled and not just postponed until next year? Make it make sense.

So now the question is why she didn't just postpone? LOL. Well maybe because the whole album to be performed is about said relationship that's in limbo? Also, it's J.Lo, she cancels, she pays a penalty and that's it. She's rich, so who cares. The girl doesn't just postpone a tour indefinitely like some other girls. She has stuff lined up.

 

Her schedule is always full with movies and other business ventures. Music is not her only career or main priority. She'll probably just continue to put her focus on her crumbling relationship right now and then movies + the rumored Vegas residency in 2025. It is what it is.
 

Her last tour (It's My Party) grossed nearly 70$ Million. It was selling at the very same rate as this cancelled summer tour, and prices were higher this time even. Last tour, one month before the first show it also hadn't sold out by far yet. 1 week beforehand even had 72.2k tickets left. Yet still she sold out because she has a lot of last minute ticket buyers. That's just cause she doesn't have a steady dedicated fan base. Yet still a lot of people want to see her. Live Nation knows this data, otherwise they would've never been her tour promoter.

[livelikemusic]

4 hours ago, insomniac said:

So now the question is why she didn't just postpone? LOL. Well maybe because the whole album to be performed is about said relationship that's in limbo? Also, it's J.Lo, she cancels, she pays a penalty and that's it. She's rich, so who cares. The girl doesn't just postpone a tour indefinitely like some other girls. She has stuff lined up.

 

Her schedule is always full with movies and other business ventures. Music is not her only career or main priority. She'll probably just continue to put her focus on her crumbling relationship right now and then movies + the rumored Vegas residency in 2025. It is what it is.
 

Her last tour (It's My Party) grossed nearly 70$ Million. It was selling at the very same rate as this cancelled summer tour, and prices were higher this time even. Last tour, one month before the first show it also hadn't sold out by far yet. 1 week beforehand even had 72.2k tickets left. Yet still she sold out because she has a lot of last minute ticket buyers. That's just cause she doesn't have a steady dedicated fan base. Yet still a lot of people want to see her. Live Nation knows this data, otherwise they would've never been her tour promoter.

For me, too much just went wrong on the overall for this era, and it's disappointing.

[Raiden]

21 hours ago, Inverted said:

Anyway, this is probably her worst year career-wise since the intense Bennifer 1.0 backlash in 2003. That really destroyed her career and she basically disappeared for years. It's very strange that she tried to repeat the same thing. It's okay to love him, but being a celebrity is about your public image. The public did not like them together before and ripped her apart back then so why repeat that? Why make an album and try to promote it with a movie? I get that she loves love, but you have to think about what the public wants too. Also, why doesn't she focus on giving all to one project? Like a movie. I have never seen her change her look since American Idol started.

 

People also criticize her for saying she's from the Bronx (when she doesn't even say it much), but it's come to the point that they're even actively making things up like claiming Castle Hill is not a bad area (uh... yes it is lol), she made up that "orange drink" (it's a quarter water; anyone from NY who isn't a transplant or born after 2005 knows what that is) or saying she doesn't do any charity work. She never addresses any of this. Does she think it'll disappear? We're in the age of the Internet. People never forget.

 

She should fire Benny and Elaine or at least hire new people. She and they NEVER address mis/disinformation at all. Like all of this:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

These posts are proof that perception rules over reality.

 

a) There is no actual proof of her poor behavior to service workers or anybody. We're in 2024 and no one has managed to get a video of her misbehaving? But we easily get other on celebs on video being nasty? There's a viral TikTok about how she chased an employee across a casino take a tip back. And that wasn't caught on video? I find that hard to believe. @Afterglow shared a story of someone he knows and the story involved her team being demanding and asking for food to be returned to the point the hostess or server had an anxiety attack. That's hardly evidence of her personally mistreating service worker. And the MET Gala incident mentioned by @Bimbo? Walking up the stairs a red carpet and answering a reporter asking where your dress came from with a depressed, dead response is evidence of mistreating people?

 

All these stories are about somebody who knows somebody who heard about it. What happened to actual proof, not TikTok bandwagons? And actual videos of her berating people?

 

b) The "stealing" narrative is getting old. We already know she can't sing and her early songs have her "backup" singers doing the heavy lifting on the hooks of songs while she whispers and mumbles, but she is a vocalist on the songs and nothing was "stolen." Christina Milian, Ashanti, Y'anna Crawley, etc. have attested to that. And it's not just black women who have been hired to be backup for her so let's stop with that narrative also.

 

c) And the "used by Tommy to get back at Mariah" narrative needs to be stop also. She was recruited by Tommy to be a female answer to Ricky Martin, not as revenge against Mariah. That's her first album has a pseudo-Latin pop feel. Tommy also recycled a sample Mariah wanted and the idea of a Ja Rule duet for J.Lo's team, but Jessica Simpson, Angela Via and Faith Hill were also recipients of ideas initially for Mariah. Where's the vitriol towards them?

 

 

 

 

It's not so much that the public "didn't like them together" but the fact that there was overexposure. There was too much "Bennifer" talk even before Gigli came out and then when Gigli was out there the whole relationship became unbearable.

 

Overexposure is also what is at the heart of the current situation. JLo just simply has no sense of proportion. She thought people "liked" their reunion a bit, so she decided to overindulge.

Edited June 6 by Raiden

[DougAF]

On 6/5/2024 at 4:59 PM, Inverted said:

Some of you desperately need to see a therapist. It's really disturbing how you're mocking and celebrating when someone is at their low point whether they're rich or not.

 

Anyway, this is probably her worst year career-wise since the intense Bennifer 1.0 backlash in 2003. That really destroyed her career and she basically disappeared for years. It's very strange that she tried to repeat the same thing. It's okay to love him, but being a celebrity is about your public image. The public did not like them together before and ripped her apart back then so why repeat that? Why make an album and try to promote it with a movie? I get that she loves love, but you have to think about what the public wants too. Also, why doesn't she focus on giving all to one project? Like a movie. I have never seen her change her look since American Idol started.

 

People also criticize her for saying she's from the Bronx (when she doesn't even say it much), but it's come to the point that they're even actively making things up like claiming Castle Hill is not a bad area (uh... yes it is lol), she made up that "orange drink" (it's a quarter water; anyone from NY who isn't a transplant or born after 2005 knows what that is) or saying she doesn't do any charity work. She never addresses any of this. Does she think it'll disappear? We're in the age of the Internet. People never forget.

 

She should fire Benny and Elaine or at least hire new people. She and they NEVER address mis/disinformation at all. Like all of this:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

These posts are proof that perception rules over reality.

 

a) There is no actual proof of her poor behavior to service workers or anybody. We're in 2024 and no one has managed to get a video of her misbehaving? But we easily get other on celebs on video being nasty? There's a viral TikTok about how she chased an employee across a casino take a tip back. And that wasn't caught on video? I find that hard to believe. @Afterglow shared a story of someone he knows and the story involved her team being demanding and asking for food to be returned to the point the hostess or server had an anxiety attack. That's hardly evidence of her personally mistreating service worker. And the MET Gala incident mentioned by @Bimbo? Walking up the stairs a red carpet and answering a reporter asking where your dress came from with a depressed, dead response is evidence of mistreating people?

 

All these stories are about somebody who knows somebody who heard about it. What happened to actual proof, not TikTok bandwagons? And actual videos of her berating people?

 

b) The "stealing" narrative is getting old. We already know she can't sing and her early songs have her "backup" singers doing the heavy lifting on the hooks of songs while she whispers and mumbles, but she is a vocalist on the songs and nothing was "stolen." Christina Milian, Ashanti, Y'anna Crawley, etc. have attested to that. And it's not just black women who have been hired to be backup for her so let's stop with that narrative also.

 

c) And the "used by Tommy to get back at Mariah" narrative needs to be stop also. She was recruited by Tommy to be a female answer to Ricky Martin, not as revenge against Mariah. That's her first album has a pseudo-Latin pop feel. Tommy also recycled a sample Mariah wanted and the idea of a Ja Rule duet for J.Lo's team, but Jessica Simpson, Angela Via and Faith Hill were also recipients of ideas initially for Mariah. Where's the vitriol towards them?

There's literally videos of her acting like an elitist pig all over the internet. 

[Jay07]

10 minutes ago, DougAF said:

There's literally videos of her acting like an elitist pig all over the internet. 

Where?

[shakeyourbombom]

16 hours ago, insomniac said:

I just realized people were dragging J.Lo under Shakira's touringdata posts for being a flop (she has people so bothered for no reason), yet when looking at the numbers Jennifer had sold more tickets (262,294 tickets) to her tour before cancelling than Shakira has currently (207,400 tickets) or even the capacity of her whole US tour (222,492 tickets)

 

 

J.Lo had more capacity per show too (in the same venues). So the haters here saying Jen must've hidden seats, must then accept that Shakira is hiding even more seats per venue.

 

 

It's a shame J.Lo didn't press on with this tour because she's having marriage issues. Probably doesn't help her either that the whole new album was about said marriage.
 

She had 1 month left of sales to go and sell out the remainder 27.51% (94,606 tickets) before the tour would start. This while she sold out her It's My Party tour, which 1 week before still had 72,260 tickets to sell. She sold those all out too and that tour ended up being a huge success!! 

 

 

The fact that everyone always uses official tracking numbers (as above in this post) by touringdata as proof of sales for tours, yet in this thread unverified screenshots of supposed arena seat maps with unsold seats (posted by a notorious J.Lo hater) are taken as truth over official touringdata numbers is ridiculous too.
 

But whatever fits your "J.Lo is a flop narrative," I guess. I prefer to go by factual numbers on this tours sales by touringdata and her track record like It's My Party, which can help us conclude that this tour would've been a huge success if gone through (even if not sold out instantly).

"J.Lo had more capacity per show too (in the same venues). So the haters here saying Jen must've hidden seats, must then accept that Shakira is hiding even more seats per venue."

 

Let's break this down. Please be reminded Shakira's tickets are like 3, 4, 5, 6 times more expensive

 

Palm Springs

Shakira (2 shows):

Jennifer Lopez:

 

Phoenix

Shakira:

Jennifer Lopez:

(Shakira's ticket is 10 times more expensive - both standard admission)

 

Los Angeles

Shakira:

Jennifer Lopez:

($1256 VS. $86)

 

San Antonio

Shakira:

Jennifer Lopez: 

 

Dallas:

Shakira

Jennifer Lopez:

($491 VS. $33)

 

Miami

Shakira (2 shows):

Jennifer Lopez (2 shows):

 

Montreal

Shakira:

Jennifer Lopez:

(This is probably the show with the least price difference, JUST a double of JLo's)

 

They will do the same cities but not the same venue in NYC and Chicago so I won't post them out.

I don't have JLo's pics for Toronto, Boston and DC so I'll leave those out. (To be fair, she sold out Toronto and Chicago, the 2nd NYC show is empty as F). 

Shakira did not include Las Vegas, San Diego, Anaheim, Houston, Orlando, San Fran Bay Area in this round but you are delusional if you think she won't sell out these cities.

Adding a 2nd show in Phoenix, LA, Chicago, San Antonio, Dallas, Charlotte, DC, a 3rd one in Miami and Palm Springs will be easily sold out as most of the tickets are gone with 5 months left to the first show.

She can sell out cities like Atlanta which have a huge latin population easily.

And don't forget the huge price difference between Shakira's and JLo's shows. Shakira will carry on and JLo is 0 now.

 

Edited June 6 by shakeyourbombom

[shakeyourbombom]

14 hours ago, insomniac said:

Touringdata sales data > some random screenshots of arenas on Ticketmaster shared by a hater. Deal with it. Numbers don't lie and she had sold 73.49% of all seats with 1 month left to go. My life is perfectly fine. Thank you. 

Where do people buy tickets? Touringdata or Ticketmaster?

[AMIT]

 

y'all take this stuff way too seriously but it's a cackle lmao 

[MP3]

I still think it's an ego decision more than a financial one.. 75% sold arena tour is enough to cover all the fees and still makes profit

I think she's just frustrated that the demand didn't reach her expectations

 

[Popboi.]

3 hours ago, shakeyourbombom said:

"J.Lo had more capacity per show too (in the same venues). So the haters here saying Jen must've hidden seats, must then accept that Shakira is hiding even more seats per venue."

 

Let's break this down. Please be reminded Shakira's tickets are like 3, 4, 5, 6 times more expensive

 

Palm Springs

Shakira (2 shows):

Jennifer Lopez:

 

Phoenix

Shakira:

Jennifer Lopez:

(Shakira's ticket is 10 times more expensive - both standard admission)

 

Los Angeles

Shakira:

Jennifer Lopez:

($1256 VS. $86)

 

San Antonio

Shakira:

Jennifer Lopez: 

 

Dallas:

Shakira

Jennifer Lopez:

($491 VS. $33)

 

Miami

Shakira (2 shows):

Jennifer Lopez (2 shows):

 

Montreal

Shakira:

Jennifer Lopez:

(This is probably the show with the least price difference, JUST a double of JLo's)

 

They will do the same cities but not the same venue in NYC and Chicago so I won't post them out.

I don't have JLo's pics for Toronto, Boston and DC so I'll leave those out. (To be fair, she sold out Toronto and Chicago, the 2nd NYC show is empty as F). 

Shakira did not include Las Vegas, San Diego, Anaheim, Houston, Orlando, San Fran Bay Area in this round but you are delusional if you think she won't sell out these cities.

Adding a 2nd show in Phoenix, LA, Chicago, San Antonio, Dallas, Charlotte, DC, a 3rd one in Miami and Palm Springs will be easily sold out as most of the tickets are gone with 5 months left to the first show.

She can sell out cities like Atlanta which have a huge latin population easily.

And don't forget the huge price difference between Shakira's and JLo's shows. Shakira will carry on and JLo is 0 now.

 

[Triton]

So she went from 74% to 0% all on her own accord and decided to lose another 20M before that as well. 
 

Her delusion should really be studied. 
 

[laqqinq]

This era (all the incidents, public reception, online frenzy) is probably one of the worst ones of her career.

 

Idk why is her management doing nothing to tweak things up for her public image. Or she needs to get it changed.

 

It's good that she's not releasing music at the moment, because this era backfired, mostly. She should just continue on her upcoming movies, brand endorsements, and business ventures, and just not lean in too much onto anything related to this era.

 

I wonder if the residency will or will not happen. There were basically reports of negotiations.

 

 

[insomniac]

8 hours ago, shakeyourbombom said:

"J.Lo had more capacity per show too (in the same venues). So the haters here saying Jen must've hidden seats, must then accept that Shakira is hiding even more seats per venue."

 

Let's break this down. Please be reminded Shakira's tickets are like 3, 4, 5, 6 times more expensive

 

Palm Springs

Shakira (2 shows):

Jennifer Lopez:

 

Phoenix

Shakira:

Jennifer Lopez:

(Shakira's ticket is 10 times more expensive - both standard admission)

 

Los Angeles

Shakira:

Jennifer Lopez:

($1256 VS. $86)

 

San Antonio

Shakira:

Jennifer Lopez: 

 

Dallas:

Shakira

Jennifer Lopez:

($491 VS. $33)

 

Miami

Shakira (2 shows):

Jennifer Lopez (2 shows):

 

Montreal

Shakira:

Jennifer Lopez:

(This is probably the show with the least price difference, JUST a double of JLo's)

 

They will do the same cities but not the same venue in NYC and Chicago so I won't post them out.

I don't have JLo's pics for Toronto, Boston and DC so I'll leave those out. (To be fair, she sold out Toronto and Chicago, the 2nd NYC show is empty as F). 

Shakira did not include Las Vegas, San Diego, Anaheim, Houston, Orlando, San Fran Bay Area in this round but you are delusional if you think she won't sell out these cities.

Adding a 2nd show in Phoenix, LA, Chicago, San Antonio, Dallas, Charlotte, DC, a 3rd one in Miami and Palm Springs will be easily sold out as most of the tickets are gone with 5 months left to the first show.

She can sell out cities like Atlanta which have a huge latin population easily.

And don't forget the huge price difference between Shakira's and JLo's shows. Shakira will carry on and JLo is 0 now.

 

 

8 hours ago, shakeyourbombom said:

Where do people buy tickets? Touringdata or Ticketmaster?

Stop ignoring official sales data. The reports from touringdata are official (~73% / ~260k of tickets sold). We are both biased. You towards Shakira, me towards J.Lo. I am not gonna follow your screenshots (can't believe you wasted so much time on that and who knows when they were taken), and it seems to paint a clear picture on things when you put it like that, yet it doesn't. Touringdata already shows J.Lo was selling slower than Shakira, so ofc Jen's seating maps will have more seats available (duh, so what). Additionally, of course when there's more tickets available prices go down (Ticketmaster prices are demand based) so not sure why the discussion suddenly became ticket prices (it wasn't the topic of discussion). Demand would pick up closer to the show when it comes to J.Lo. Lastly, on some of these screenshots you're comparing completely different sections and even general sale vs. resale, etc, which doesn't make sense either!

 

My whole point was (and get it through your thick skull for once): For J.Lo, ~73% of tickets sold 1 month in advance really wasn't that bad. J.Lo doesn't have such a strong dedicated fanbase (arguably for a myriad of reasons; like she's never cultivated her fanbase, prioritized movies & business over her music career for years, never toured a lot to keep that fan-connection, never focused on albums as a body of work). This has resulted in a lot of last minute buyers vs. die-hard stan's that buy the moment tickets come available.
 

This happened during It's My Party tour as well, where she still had to move over 70k tickets spread over all tour dates 1 week before the tour kicked off. This time she had little over 90k to sell with 1 month still left. Honestly think she would've been fine considering the IMP tour track record and it being successful.
 

I'm gonna stop wasting my time arguing with you over the official sales data. Everyone on ATRL knows that touringdata (and Pollstar after the tour) doesn't lie. So post as many screenshots from dates that aren't live on Ticketmaster anymore as you want, they cannot be verified anymore nor debunk any touringdata official reports, so it ain't gonna do much for me! 

Edited June 7 by insomniac

[shakeyourbombom]

4 hours ago, insomniac said:

 

Stop ignoring official sales data. The reports from touringdata are official (~73% / ~260k of tickets sold). We are both biased. You towards Shakira, me towards J.Lo. I am not gonna follow your screenshots (can't believe you wasted so much time on that and who knows when they were taken), and it seems to paint a clear picture on things when you put it like that, yet it doesn't. Touringdata already shows J.Lo was selling slower than Shakira, so ofc Jen's seating maps will have more seats available (duh, so what). Additionally, of course when there's more tickets available prices go down (Ticketmaster prices are demand based) so not sure why the discussion suddenly became ticket prices (it wasn't the topic of discussion). Demand would pick up closer to the show when it comes to J.Lo. Lastly, on some of these screenshots you're comparing completely different sections and even general sale vs. resale, etc, which doesn't make sense either!

 

My whole point was (and get it through your thick skull for once): For J.Lo, ~73% of tickets sold 1 month in advance really wasn't that bad. J.Lo doesn't have such a strong dedicated fanbase (arguably for a myriad of reasons; like she's never cultivated her fanbase, prioritized movies & business over her music career for years, never toured a lot to keep that fan-connection, never focused on albums as a body of work). This has resulted in a lot of last minute buyers vs. die-hard stan's that buy the moment tickets come available.
 

This happened during It's My Party tour as well, where she still had to move over 70k tickets spread over all tour dates 1 week before the tour kicked off. This time she had little over 90k to sell with 1 month still left. Honestly think she would've been fine considering the IMP tour track record and it being successful.
 

I'm gonna stop wasting my time arguing with you over the official sales data. Everyone on ATRL knows that touringdata (and Pollstar after the tour) doesn't lie. So post as many screenshots from dates that aren't live on Ticketmaster anymore as you want, they cannot be verified anymore nor debunk any touringdata official reports, so it ain't gonna do much for me! 

Touringdata is NOT official data. That's a Twitter account that found itself interested in touring data.

The screenshots are pulled from ticketmaster so it's not biased. You are biased by ignoring the exact ticket maps on Ticketmaster and paying attention only on a spare-time Twitter account.

I'm comparing their tickets by the lowest price and you can see that on the screenshots.

It's My Party Tour has never sold tickets THAT cheap otherwise it would be widely reported like this time.

Are you saying Ticketmasters lied?

You said ""J.Lo had more capacity per show too (in the same venues)." which is already a lie. The truth is JLo couldn't sell tickets like Shakira does in the same venue.

You were trying to portray an illusion that JLo sold better than Shakira which NO ONE will believe it.
 

I don't see people queueing to purchase JLo's shows.

 

Edited June 7 by shakeyourbombom

[Red Hot Moon]

Jlo's stans need to learn to keep Shakira's name out of their mouth. It's getting ridiculous.

[MusicIsMyMaster]

1 hour ago, Red Hot Moon said:

Jlo's stans need to learn to keep Shakira's name out of their mouth. It's getting ridiculous.

its definitely the other way around

[insomniac]

3 hours ago, shakeyourbombom said:

Touringdata is NOT official data. That's a Twitter account that found itself interested in touring data.

The screenshots are pulled from ticketmaster so it's not biased. You are biased by ignoring the exact ticket maps on Ticketmaster and paying attention only on a spare-time Twitter account.

I'm comparing their tickets by the lowest price and you can see that on the screenshots.

It's My Party Tour has never sold tickets THAT cheap otherwise it would be widely reported like this time.

Are you saying Ticketmasters lied?

You said ""J.Lo had more capacity per show too (in the same venues)." which is already a lie. The truth is JLo couldn't sell tickets like Shakira does in the same venue.

You were trying to portray an illusion that JLo sold better than Shakira which NO ONE will believe it.
 

I don't see people queueing to purchase JLo's shows.

 

Haha. Now you're reaching. Touringdata, which all of ATRL uses as official sources counts the exact current number of tickets available for a tour on Ticketmaster US and Canada. The data from touringdata is real baby, just accept it.
 

I think there must be a language barrier here because, the CAPACITY comment was aimed at YOU (comment from May 31) claiming J.Lo was hiding seats! Yet, the touringdata sheet shows that J.Lo had more capacity (aka seats) for some of the same venues as Shakira available. You can compare the capacity easily below. That fully negates your comment about capacity and seat hiding (which you brought up first) and has nothing to do with waiting queues 

 

 

Source for both: https://touringdata.wordpress.com/

Not sure why you're always trying to change the topic of discussion and now are suddenly bringing in screenshots of waiting queues. You're deflecting and steering the conversation to something else each time 

 

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On 6/5/2024 at 11:59 PM, skeeyee said:

Aww sweetie I guess people just randomly started talking about how rude she was for no reason and it was completely made up? 
This has been going on for years…

Sweetie, please use some logic. There are actual videos and verified stories of other celebs like Madonna, Whitney Houston, Justin Bieber, Britney Spears, Rihanna, Sean Penn, Christian Bale, Kanye West, etc. being rude to others on camera, but comments or videos about their being rude NEVER go viral because there's no bandwagon against them. People didn't "randomly" start talking about J.Lo being rude. Unverified comments on Reddit  and TikTok videos about her were always the ones that get the most views and likes even when they're never able to verify their encounter with her (like the woman who claimed she was rude in school and then was easily proven to have attended her high school a decade later).

 

Also, years is an exaggeration. There have been "diva" accusations in tabloids for years, but that's a norm for any female celeb. There has never a whole bandwagon of Internet videos of people claiming they know someone who knows someone who knows another that said she was rude. This is a new phenomenon. 

 

On 6/6/2024 at 3:55 AM, SpaceOddity said:

That's what you get for being a shitty person. 

And again, where's the evidence of this?

 

19 hours ago, DougAF said:

There's literally videos of her acting like an elitist pig all over the internet. 

 

19 hours ago, Jay07 said:

Where?

Good question. Where are these videos?  

 

The best one that they could come up with is her responding to a reporter's question about her dress with a dead, depressed response while holding her dress as she walks up the stairs. Yeah, such an "elitist pig".  

 

 

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2 hours ago, Red Hot Moon said:

Jlo's stans need to learn to keep Shakira's name out of their mouth. It's getting ridiculous.

Look who's talking. You and the other one above are guaranteed to enter threads about Jennifer Lopez. You even have a Twitter account where you discuss Jennifer Lopez. Ridiculous (and embarrassing) is right.  

 

By the way, I never see @insomniac or the other "two J.Lo stans left" enter threads about Shakira. On the other hand, there's always at least one Shakira stan regularly visiting threads about Jennifer Lopez. 

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8 minutes ago, insomniac said:

Haha. Now you're reaching. Touringdata, which all of ATRL uses as official sources counts the exact current number of tickets available for a tour on Ticketmaster US and Canada. The data from touringdata is real baby, just accept it.
 

I think there must be a language barrier here because, the CAPACITY comment was aimed at YOU (comment from May 31) claiming J.Lo was hiding seats! Yet, the touringdata sheet shows that J.Lo had more capacity (aka seats) for some of the same venues as Shakira available. You can compare the capacity easily below. That fully negates your comment about capacity and seat hiding (which you brought up first) and has nothing to do with waiting queues 

 

 

Source for both: https://touringdata.wordpress.com/

Not sure why you're always trying to change the topic of discussion and now are suddenly bringing in screenshots of waiting queues. You're deflecting and steering the conversation to something else each time 

 

Touring data gets the figures from Ticketmaster so what about that?

That means Ticketmaster is the original source 

No matter what, JLo has 0 show now. Plenty of her shows were left with blocks of empty seats
Shakira sold out those venues as I showed meanwhile JLo was struggling. That's why her tour was forced to cancel.

[shakeyourbombom]

11 minutes ago, Inverted said:

Look who's talking. You and the other one above are guaranteed to enter threads about Jennifer Lopez. You even have a Twitter account where you discuss Jennifer Lopez. Ridiculous (and embarrassing) is right.  

 

By the way, I never see @insomniac or the other "two J.Lo stans left" enter threads about Shakira. On the other hand, there's always at least one Shakira stan regularly visiting threads about Jennifer Lopez. 

This is the post how JLo stan brought Shakira into this conversation
 

 

On 6/6/2024 at 2:47 PM, insomniac said:

I just realized people were dragging J.Lo under Shakira's touringdata posts for being a flop (she has people so bothered for no reason), yet when looking at the numbers Jennifer had sold more tickets (262,294 tickets) to her tour before cancelling than Shakira has currently (207,400 tickets) or even the capacity of her whole US tour (222,492 tickets)

 

 

J.Lo had more capacity per show too (in the same venues). So the haters here saying Jen must've hidden seats, must then accept that Shakira is hiding even more seats per venue.

 

 

It's a shame J.Lo didn't press on with this tour because she's having marriage issues. Probably doesn't help her either that the whole new album was about said marriage.
 

She had 1 month left of sales to go and sell out the remainder 27.51% (94,606 tickets) before the tour would start. This while she sold out her It's My Party tour, which 1 week before still had 72,260 tickets to sell. She sold those all out too and that tour ended up being a huge success!! 

 

 

The fact that everyone always uses official tracking numbers (as above in this post) by touringdata as proof of sales for tours, yet in this thread unverified screenshots of supposed arena seat maps with unsold seats (posted by a notorious J.Lo hater) are taken as truth over official touringdata numbers is ridiculous too.
 

But whatever fits your "J.Lo is a flop narrative," I guess. I prefer to go by factual numbers on this tours sales by touringdata and her track record like It's My Party, which can help us conclude that this tour would've been a huge success if gone through (even if not sold out instantly).

I've shown exactly how plenty of JLo shows were NOT selling before the cancellation. You cling to that Touringdata receipt because it seems like she was doing okay.

Ticketmaster is where people get the tickets. Unfortunately, the ticket sales were not really moving despite of lowering her ticket price down to $30, $40 etc.

Bringing Shakira into this conversation and faked her sales did not do as good as JLo's is definitely an epic fail. Everyone can go on Ticketmaster and check how Shakira is doing right now.

Edited June 7 by shakeyourbombom