Virgos Groove Posted May 30 Posted May 30 Don't ever say "celebs speaking out means nothing" when these children, in the midst of a ******* genocide, still find the time to thank them for it. Our favs need to stop being cowards and start speaking up. There's no excuse. 2 8
State of Grace. Posted May 30 Posted May 30 But what will my fave speaking up do? No one cares about her and she has no power (unless it's convenient for my argument). Go harass your government and politicians! 5
LoveInStereo Posted May 30 Posted May 30 50 minutes ago, State of Grace. said: But what will my fave speaking up do? No one cares about her and she has no power (unless it's convenient for my argument). Go harass your government and politicians! I'm reluctant to get into any debate on a thread centred around v vulnerable kids so I'll be chill. Yes, a cultural shift has meaningful impact. But the scale of intervention we all want to see with this genocide is going to require more than symbolic gestures. Kehlani is ultimately asking civilians for donations which is something. But the institutions of power that are financing Israel have far greater resources than we do so the bolded part is much more significant for material change. Not saying nothing else matters but it's so backwards to see how much time ppl spend squabbling about individuals' choices & celebs while minimizing the part that's actually the most critical
State of Grace. Posted May 30 Posted May 30 1 minute ago, LoveInStereo said: I'm reluctant to get into any debate on a thread centred around v vulnerable kids so I'll be chill. Yes, a cultural shift has meaningful impact. But the scale of intervention we all want to see with this genocide is going to require more than symbolic gestures. Kehlani is ultimately asking civilians for donations which is something. But the institutions of power that are financing Israel have far greater resources than we do so the bolded part is much more significant for material change. Not saying nothing else matters but it's so backwards to see how much time ppl spend squabbling about individuals' choices & celebs while minimizing the part that's actually the most critical The reality is that people can do both. Harass your politicians and favorite celebs. Every single post/impact matters. Obviously, governments have more power and eventually are the ones who can stop this, but cultural shifts and boycotts are extremely important too. Celebs can't end a genocide, but certainly can shift the opinion of 20 followers and help raise some donations for Palestinians. 2
Communion Posted May 30 Posted May 30 (edited) 21 minutes ago, LoveInStereo said: I'm reluctant to get into any debate on a thread centred around v vulnerable kids so I'll be chill. Yes, a cultural shift has meaningful impact. But the scale of intervention we all want to see with this genocide is going to require more than symbolic gestures. Kehlani is ultimately asking civilians for donations which is something. But the institutions of power that are financing Israel have far greater resources than we do so the bolded part is much more significant for material change. Not saying nothing else matters but it's so backwards to see how much time ppl spend squabbling about individuals' choices & celebs while minimizing the part that's actually the most critical I think the idea of actually questioning material power is important and remembering that symbolic gestures can only go so far (a celebrity offering their support should always be opening up their wallet or helping to get others to open up theirs, for example); however, there is something questionably and misguidedly liberal about the framing of holding politicians accountable and how this proposed action (in favor of targeting celebrities and those with wealth) is often not more material Okay, let's focus on politicians... what is the action? Voicing disappointing? if one is criticizing people for slacktivism, then.. do you support threatening to withhold one's vote? Being willing to accept a horrible outcome and the risks (Trump winning) as leverage to make Democrats listen? To sacrifice in the way people seemingly claim to want? Are people willing to get arrested? Willing to defend those willing to get arrested? If someone doesn't find Starbucks protests meaningful... okay, are you willing to defend actual, more meaningful action? Are you willing to donate to legal funds or defend the merits of when people take the risk of breaking the law to do things like shut down weapons manufacturers by chaining themselves to factory doors or block cargo shipments from heading off to Israel? Sure, let's talk about things more material than Starbucks and celebrities, but vocal disappointment in a politician you plan on voting for anyway isn't... that. That's even more performative, if anything. Punching up at celebrities can't be criticized as lacking real risk or sacrifice if the political alternative is just as similarly toothless. I understand most people don't wanna end up on a government watchlist. That's totally reasonable. And thus why the idea of trying to rally commerce and goodwill to force celebrities as sources of revenue to donate their money or voices is a more appealing route to voice discontent. Surely it seems more immediate than just going "BIDEN, PWEEAAASSEE STOP THIS!! I'M STILL GONNA VOTE FOR YOU IF YOU DON'T, BUT PWEASE!!!". Edited May 30 by Communion
réveuse Posted May 30 Posted May 30 She's a hero. And people say that celebrities speaking out doesn't do anything? Every single one of these celebrities should condemn the genocide in Palestine. 3
IBeMe Posted May 30 Posted May 30 I bet this means a lot to her...this kinda made me emotional. It's one thing to help but then to see that people receive it and know you helped too and are grateful for you just for speaking up is really heartwarming and heartbreaking at the same time....I feel so terrible for Palestinians...
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