news Less than half of Amsterdam youth accept homosexuality, according to new study

[Relampago.]

1 hour ago, Communion said:

I get the worry and fear but LGBTQ acceptance in nearly all areas are at record-highs. Even when things like support for marriage equity dipped for the first time in 2019, it rose every year since to now a high of 71%.

 

LGBTQ identification doubled from 2012 to 2023, with nearly 1 in 10 Americans identifying as some LGBT identity. Gen Z Americans are twice as likely to identify as LGBTQ with 1 in 5 identifying as such. 

 

There is of course more left to do by the LGBTQ movement can easily consider itself a success within America for establishing wide-reaching acceptance across the country. 

 

I have some pet theories about how secularism isn't an inherently progressive thing in some of Europe and much of the queer movement in the US has seemingly tried to mesh queerness and religion, not make them at odds, but I think media exposure is probably also a likelier and easier answer. Even low-income families have increased access to the internet and TV in the US. 

I have a few theories:

 

1.) The US is simply more preoccupied with other movements and issues. Racism is much more openly visible, and abortion/women's rights are the latest hot topic. LGB (T is still pretty much up in the air) issues just aren't really front of mind, they're more of an accepted reality. 

 

2.) The US is just behind the curve like always. Europe was always ahead in LGBTQ rights, now it's swinging backwards, and the US has finally caught up to be more accepting and the swing back will be seen later down the road.

 

3.) The US is simply less interested in policing LGB people as long as they fit the mold of what a "normal American" is. I've experienced a lot of homophobic people in my life become more open to LGB issues simply because I was a "more palatable" gay. Kind of awful still, and I have no idea why that would be different in the US than Europe other than I could possibly see a situation where queer people in the US aren't fully comfortable with being visibly queer yet, while queer people in Europe have had more time to feel comfortable + each continent's reputations when it comes to treatment of queer people. 
 

These are all baseless theories, but I do see all of these factors in my personal life. I think you're also right about queer movements latching onto religions/traditional ideologies to become more palatable and accepted. Secular societies aren't always more accepting, but the foundation of religion and other traditions allows people to have common ground despite having lifestyle differences. It's very interesting but also kind of terrifying that the most queer friendly continent is becoming less so.

[Relampago.]

6 minutes ago, glitch said:

This is just my guess, but Americans place a lot of emphasis on individualism and standing out from the crowd which goes hand in hand with queerness. In Europe people tend to stick much more closely to the status quo and find any deviation from it vulgar or at the very least, highly irritating.

Actually this is kind of fair too. Maybe Americans don't love the idea of queerness or LGBTQ rights, but they don't see how it affects them in their daily lives. Queer people can be their own individuals, while they can live their own lives separately.

 

Another possibility that goes in line with this is American aversion to government involvement. Europeans are more acquainted with government policies and involvement in many of their social systems among other things. Meanwhile there is a massive distrust and general apprehension when it comes to government involvement in private affairs in the US. It's possible that Americans don't want to see the government determining what people do with their private sexuality/romantic lives because that's simply not the government's business.

[montacelo]

38 minutes ago, TaggedGalaxy said:

Interesting I always thought the Netherlands was super progressive and accepting. Worrying how backwards we are heading

Me too, this seems concerning :/ 

[Lüwís]

Things are only going to get worse for the LGBT folk. I can feel it.

 

I don't want to sound dramatic but... I do think we'll see some N*zi-like policies concerning LGBT people materialise in our lifetime.

 

Possibly not but I think it's likely.

[єѕℓαм]

Idk i was there less than a year ago and met a lot of nice guys and didn't feel any kind of homophobia or wtever u wanna call it

[shoganai]

Islam exists

[anti-bitch]

2 hours ago, VOSS said:

This may be partially why this same trend isn't as apparent in America, where wages have outpaced inflation so we are not having the same COL crisis as in Europe.

Is that true though? I see Americans online complaining about cost of living all the time, especially rent and mortgage

[anti-bitch]

2 hours ago, shyboi said:

was it better? or is it worse now 

Read the OP again. It was better before. But they surveyed teenagers, so remains to be seen if this stays when they grow up

[VOSS]

32 minutes ago, anti-***** said:

Is that true though? I see Americans online complaining about cost of living all the time, especially rent and mortgage

Well people will always complain online, but on average Americans are doing better financially than pre-pandemic

[LegaMyth]

I'm telling you guys, the messages from the Red Pill podcasters are reaching the youth. I was at work one day, and this young college kid, who I thought was cool, was saying "I'm not a f*g." I guess there were some people joking about him because of something he had said. Before I could say anything to him, there were some older gentlemen that checked him, and somewhat threatened him if they heard him say that word again. One day I'd walked into one of the computer rooms, and he was watching a video on Andrew Tate. This was a confirmation for me that he was "One of those" type of guys. 

[elevate]

5 hours ago, Cain said:

Oh that's exactly what they're doing here in Holland too, and this is the result 🤡 

I'm not sure how the PVV's Islamophobia and general xenophobia would somehow result in an attack on LGBT+ existence, especially since they've gone after us with the groomer argument, as well.

 

 

5 hours ago, AvadaKedavra said:

Dutch kids are some of the wealthiest and richest in the planet.
The gays are very pro-social movements today and very pro-equality and anti-capitalism and also very pro-minorities.
I wonder if thats turnin them off from progresiveness
People hate to lose their privileged lives  Just a theory. 
Now they align more with the right wingers cause all of them are protective of their wealth.
 

Yeah, this is what I think, too. This + the pandemic has resulted in poor critical thinking and socialisation skills amongst Dutch youth. I've always been surprised by the Netherlands' reputation worldwide. 

 

 

[Prodigal Self]

5 hours ago, anti-***** said:

Is that true though? I see Americans online complaining about cost of living all the time, especially rent and mortgage

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[Gesamtkunstwerk]

17 hours ago, Jotham said:

The survey was conducted among young people aged 13 to 16.

So many boys in this age group are so lost.

 

Their main hobby is gaming, they don't socialize in real life, they're bombed by brainrotting, manosphere content on social media, telling them that they're weak if they show other people respect and that nobody respects men if they aren't scared of them, that they have two goals in life 1) making money and 2) achieve high social status, they have been watching extremely misogynistic p+rn since they were maybe 10 years old, often of violent nature too, their parents cuddles them instead of taking action when their sons are struggling mentally.

 

This has been going on for many years, but we're starting to see it manifesting into the real world now.

Edited May 30 by Gesamtkunstwerk

[LikeATattoo]

The global social regression continues.

 

 

[Wooper]

14 hours ago, shoganai said:

Islam exists

This is so ******* stupid. Muslim people don't account for half of the population in Amsterdam. It's a global trend.

 

OT: I haven't noticed a difference when I'm walking hand in hand with my bf. So I've no idea what the actual impact is on the younger queer youth.

[Harrier]

I'm seeing this every day in my school. Unfortunately most staff don't know how to communicate with the mostly young boys that are expressing these opinions, opting to go straight to discipline and lectures that only alienates them more.

 

Being conservative has become 'cool', countercultural almost. I think because the reality is even though society at large has a long way to go in supporting LGBT, teachers don't. So to these kids it seems like being LGBT supportive what all the older authority figures are telling them to do. Rather than seeing LGBT people in their lives and building empathy, they are instead being told by mostly cishet staff on every LGBT pride day or month what they should think. And its having the opposite effect.

 

[Cain]

3 minutes ago, Harrier said:

I'm seeing this every day in my school. Unfortunately most staff don't know how to communicate with the mostly young boys that are expressing these opinions, opting to go straight to discipline and lectures that only alienates them more.

 

Being conservative has become 'cool', countercultural almost. I think because the reality is even though society at large has a long way to go in supporting LGBT, teachers don't. So to these kids it seems like being LGBT supportive what all the older authority figures are telling them to do. Rather than seeing LGBT people in their lives and building empathy, they are instead being told by mostly cishet staff on every LGBT pride day or month what they should think. And its having the opposite effect.

 

To think it was only a decade ago that I got called the *** in front of teachers and they didn't give a ****

[Harrier]

3 minutes ago, Cain said:

To think it was only a decade ago that I got called the *** in front of teachers and they didn't give a ****

Pendulum be swinging, I guess. A lot of millennials like myself became teachers in the last 10 years. We are most the staff at my school so it's a very pro-LGBT environment.

 

But I fear it is not working 

[Gesamtkunstwerk]

2 minutes ago, Harrier said:

Pendulum be swinging, I guess. A lot of millennials like myself became teachers in the last 10 years. We are most the staff at my school so it's a very pro-LGBT environment.

 

But I fear it is not working 

I think it started to swing back in the early-mid 2010's with all the backlash against online Social Justice Warriors, that really snowballed into a lot of things we're dealing with today

 

10-15 years later, it has become much more normalized to hate on women, people who aren't white, non-straight people etc.

 

[Cain]

11 minutes ago, Gesamtkunstwerk said:

I think it started to swing back in the early-mid 2010's with all the backlash against online Social Justice Warriors, that really snowballed into a lot of things we're dealing with today

 

10-15 years later, it has become much more normalized to hate on women, people who aren't white, non-straight people etc.

 

I guess it will swing back then… hopefully 

[CaptainMusic]

This is really surprising and disappointing to me, I was in Amsterdam last year and it seemed like such an accepting place for LGBT people. 
 

Damn  

[Eat The Acid]

Is there a "why" in the article? Is there a reason for this?

[Movimento Perpétuo]

wow. I'm surprised, ngl  

[insomniac]

This research comprises of 5000 respondents between 13-16 years old, while there's between 26000-27000 of this demographic living in Amsterdam. So it's good to consider that less than 20% of the demographic was questioned. Numbers don't lie and it is still very alarming, though. 
 

Mind you, this factsheet is from 2020 (couldn't find a more recent one like the 2021, 2022, 2023 or 2024 ones), but it shows that 60% of Amsterdam youth now have a migration background. Between ages 13-16, this comprised 50% of non-western countries. Essentially showing how outside cultures and values are influencing existing more liberal views on a variety of topics!

[ZeroSuitBritney]

By ATRL logic we should start funding a genocide against them.