charts discussion HDD: Taylor Swift 6x #1 177k, Billie Eilish #2 149k, Twenty One Pilots #3 139k

[SMGOwnsTheNight]

13 minutes ago, DevilsRollTheDice said:

If Taylor bags 10 weeks will she be the first artist to do that in 3 decades?

Are there any big releases in the next month?

[on the line]

11 hours ago, Trent W said:

The sales are coming probably by new teen fans, as discussed above

Lol the shifting goal posts and assumptions.

 

It's fans.

It's new fans.

It's new teen fans.

 

What's next? It's new first time mother teen fans.

[dussymob]

2 minutes ago, on the line said:

Lol the shifting goal posts and assumptions.

 

It's fans.

It's new fans.

It's new teen fans.

 

What's next? It's new first time mother teen fans.

Only fans buy albums in todays world…

Edited May 29 by dussymob

[Popboi.]

3 minutes ago, dussymob said:

Only fans buy albums in todays world…

Good thing she's the most streamed artist as well then!

[Trent W]

10 minutes ago, on the line said:

Lol the shifting goal posts and assumptions.

 

It's fans.

It's new fans.

It's new teen fans.

 

What's next? It's new first time mother teen fans.

The sales of Lover are abnormal, is normal to try to figure it out

 

The only theory is new younger fans that weren't around a few years ago in the pop sphere

 

The GP doesn't buy albums, it's obviously newer fans that are looking to collect her older pieces

[family.guy123]

1 hour ago, on the line said:

Please consult with the Hive, and ask how that worked out for them.

"Easier", sweetie. Not "automatically", sweetie. 

[UnusualBoy]

1 hour ago, DevilsRollTheDice said:

If Taylor bags 10 weeks will she be the first artist to do that in 3 decades?

Consecutively? Yeah. Other albums got a pletora of weeks but there were not consecutive.

[Popboi.]

18 minutes ago, UnusualBoy said:

Consecutively? Yeah. Other albums got a pletora of weeks but there were not consecutive.

They mean having an album with 10+ weeks at #1 during 3 different decades (Fearless in the 00s, 1989 in the 2010s, TTPD in the 2020s)

[UnusualBoy]

5 minutes ago, Popboi. said:

They mean having an album with 10+ weeks at #1 during 3 different decades (Fearless in the 00s, 1989 in the 2010s, TTPD in the 2020s)

Oh lol, if so yeah, probably. The only ones I could see having a similar achievement are either TB or MJ but not sure if they did.

[Blackout2006]

18 hours ago, Hurem said:

Anyone with two functioning brain cells can see that in the streaming era, it will always be easier for an album with 31 tracks to get bigger numbers compared to an album with only 10 tracks. Not to mention the cult-like following that's obsessively streaming/buying the album, as opposed to Billie's organic success with the GP.

The 33 downvotes...Really ruffled some feathers over there, I see

 

OT: Oh Billie, you and your stabilliety

Edited May 29 by Blackout2006

[RoseBud]

 

  Billie is having trouble on the Hot 100.  Early look for the next chart shows her best song only at number 10 after big drops.  Her other songs of course are doing even worse.  

[fridayteenage]

3 hours ago, UnusualBoy said:

Oh lol, if so yeah, probably. The only ones I could see having a similar achievement are either TB or MJ but not sure if they did.

Beatles only had the 1960s

Mj only had thriller

[UnusualBoy]

2 hours ago, RoseBud said:

 

  Billie is having trouble on the Hot 100.  Early look for the next chart shows her best song only at number 10 after big drops.  Her other songs of course are doing even worse.  

3 songs in the top 15 is actually good and all three with decent drops so

 

[DiabeticGrandpa]

Can TS simply go away? How can we make the fans stop streaming their goddess?

[Storm653]

I swear, the term "general public" needs to be banned on this forum lol. 

 

I feel the people who say it the most don't even talk to people about music irl. Well, I have and I've met more than a couple of people in different demos who enjoyed TTPD. In fact, I've seen more people rave about TTPD when it came out than I saw people raving about Midnights when it came out. 

 

Of course, the album has its haters too but that's true of any big album. 

 

Taylor is a cross-generational and cross-genre force. Billie is getting to that level too but it's out of touch to treat Taylor like she's frontloaded by "cult-like fans" when the data doesn't even line up with it. I remember when people said the same exact thing about the BeyHive too to discredit Beyonce's success. 

[fridayteenage]

19 minutes ago, DiabeticGrandpa said:

Can TS simply go away? How can we make the fans stop streaming their goddess?

Apocalypse 

[omrimayo]

21 minutes ago, DiabeticGrandpa said:

Can TS simply go away? How can we make the fans stop streaming their goddess?

LOL. Bye

[Brikenbur]

Looks like the lonely middle aged women and crazy non-conforming tw*nks are still streaming TTPD 

[More Than A Melody]

Swifties breaking their backs trying to claim that an album having 31 tracks doesn't make it easier to get more streams has got to be one of the most delusional things they've tried to pull.

 

Of course it doesn't mean that she's not the biggest artist on the planet (the fact that you have to clarify this every single time you try to argue a point with them because they're so deeply insecure FOR ABSOLUTELY NO REASON). It doesn't mean her numbers aren't incredibly impressive. She absolutely is and they absolutely are. But don't be obtuse for the love of god lmao.

 

The more tracks you have, the easier it is to get more streams. That's a fact. This fact is also more prevalent for artists who have a dedicated fanbase. Because a huge percentage of that fanbase will stream the album front to back at least once a day.

 

Let's say there are 10,000 Swifties who stream TTPD once a day every day for a week. That is 2,170,000 streams in a week. 1,447 units. Legitimately, just from 10,000 Swifties streaming the album once (1 time) a day.

 

Let's say there are 10,000 Billie fans who stream HMHAS once a day every day for a week. That is 700,000 streams in a week. 467 units.

 

So if they had the exact same amount of fans doing the exact same thing, Taylor would get almost 1,000 extra units over Billie. How can you argue with this? Like, what can you possibly say that can counter this?

 

Does it take longer to stream TTPD? Yes. That does not change the fact that most dedicated Swifties will stream it at least once a day every day, at least for the first couple of months. That is how fanbases work, and she has the largest one.

 

"But in the time you stream TTPD you can stream HMHAS twice" (not thrice, twice). Uh, yeah, but you're going a step further. You're talking about extreme fans who will loop and listen to the same 10 songs a million times a day. In THAT regard, Billie would have an advantage, but you can't be obtuse enough to imply that Billie has a ton of fans who will do that, proportionally speaking. Like, the length of the album as a shortcoming is irrelevant here because the amount of Billie fans who will loop her album is minimal. And furthermore, looping a 10 track album would result in filtered streams which do not count for the charts. The same thing would apply for a 31 track album, of course, but to a MUCH lesser degree. The longer your track list, the less of a chance there is to lose streams due to filter.

 

This and trying to quiet people who use the figure of average streams per track has to be one of the most annoying things they do. You can't compare a 31 track album to a 10 track album, it doesn't make any sense. The fairest possible way to compare those is to use averages. It won't be 1000% fair, but it'll be the fairest comparison. "You lose steam" doesn't really apply when we're talking about the first couple of months after release for artists with huge dedicated fanbases.

[Headlock]

23 hours ago, Trent W said:

, also most swifties only listen to Taylor, that would explain why Lover is still so insanely high  

Swifties hate Lover 

[Headlock]

21 minutes ago, Brikenbur said:

Looks like the lonely middle aged women and crazy non-conforming tw*nks are still streaming TTPD 

Wait so Taylor's fanbase includes middle aged and gay people now? I thought it was all preteen girls 

[Headlock]

16 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said:

Swifties breaking their backs trying to claim that an album having 31 tracks doesn't make it easier to get more streams has got to be one of the most delusional things they've tried to pull.

 

Of course it doesn't mean that she's not the biggest artist on the planet (the fact that you have to clarify this every single time you try to argue a point with them because they're so deeply insecure FOR ABSOLUTELY NO REASON). It doesn't mean her numbers aren't incredibly impressive. She absolutely is and they absolutely are. But don't be obtuse for the love of god lmao.

 

The more tracks you have, the easier it is to get more streams. That's a fact. This fact is also more prevalent for artists who have a dedicated fanbase. Because a huge percentage of that fanbase will stream the album front to back at least once a day.

 

Let's say there are 10,000 Swifties who stream TTPD once a day every day for a week. That is 2,170,000 streams in a week. 1,447 units. Legitimately, just from 10,000 Swifties streaming the album once (1 time) a day.

 

Let's say there are 10,000 Billie fans who stream HMHAS once a day every day for a week. That is 700,000 streams in a week. 467 units.

 

So if they had the exact same amount of fans doing the exact same thing, Taylor would get almost 1,000 extra units over Billie. How can you argue with this? Like, what can you possibly say that can counter this?

 

Does it take longer to stream TTPD? Yes. That does not change the fact that most dedicated Swifties will stream it at least once a day every day, at least for the first couple of months. That is how fanbases work, and she has the largest one.

 

"But in the time you stream TTPD you can stream HMHAS twice" (not thrice, twice). Uh, yeah, but you're going a step further. You're talking about extreme fans who will loop and listen to the same 10 songs a million times a day. In THAT regard, Billie would have an advantage, but you can't be obtuse enough to imply that Billie has a ton of fans who will do that, proportionally speaking. Like, the length of the album as a shortcoming is irrelevant here because the amount of Billie fans who will loop her album is minimal. And furthermore, looping a 10 track album would result in filtered streams which do not count for the charts. The same thing would apply for a 31 track album, of course, but to a MUCH lesser degree. The longer your track list, the less of a chance there is to lose streams due to filter.

 

This and trying to quiet people who use the figure of average streams per track has to be one of the most annoying things they do. You can't compare a 31 track album to a 10 track album, it doesn't make any sense. The fairest possible way to compare those is to use averages. It won't be 1000% fair, but it'll be the fairest comparison. "You lose steam" doesn't really apply when we're talking about the first couple of months after release for artists with huge dedicated fanbases.

[Axolotl]

19 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said:

Swifties breaking their backs trying to claim that an album having 31 tracks doesn't make it easier to get more streams has got to be one of the most delusional things they've tried to pull.

 

Of course it doesn't mean that she's not the biggest artist on the planet (the fact that you have to clarify this every single time you try to argue a point with them because they're so deeply insecure FOR ABSOLUTELY NO REASON). It doesn't mean her numbers aren't incredibly impressive. She absolutely is and they absolutely are. But don't be obtuse for the love of god lmao.

 

The more tracks you have, the easier it is to get more streams. That's a fact. This fact is also more prevalent for artists who have a dedicated fanbase. Because a huge percentage of that fanbase will stream the album front to back at least once a day.

 

Let's say there are 10,000 Swifties who stream TTPD once a day every day for a week. That is 2,170,000 streams in a week. 1,447 units. Legitimately, just from 10,000 Swifties streaming the album once (1 time) a day.

 

Let's say there are 10,000 Billie fans who stream HMHAS once a day every day for a week. That is 700,000 streams in a week. 467 units.

 

So if they had the exact same amount of fans doing the exact same thing, Taylor would get almost 1,000 extra units over Billie. How can you argue with this? Like, what can you possibly say that can counter this?

 

Does it take longer to stream TTPD? Yes. That does not change the fact that most dedicated Swifties will stream it at least once a day every day, at least for the first couple of months. That is how fanbases work, and she has the largest one.

 

"But in the time you stream TTPD you can stream HMHAS twice" (not thrice, twice). Uh, yeah, but you're going a step further. You're talking about extreme fans who will loop and listen to the same 10 songs a million times a day. In THAT regard, Billie would have an advantage, but you can't be obtuse enough to imply that Billie has a ton of fans who will do that, proportionally speaking. Like, the length of the album as a shortcoming is irrelevant here because the amount of Billie fans who will loop her album is minimal. And furthermore, looping a 10 track album would result in filtered streams which do not count for the charts. The same thing would apply for a 31 track album, of course, but to a MUCH lesser degree. The longer your track list, the less of a chance there is to lose streams due to filter.

 

This and trying to quiet people who use the figure of average streams per track has to be one of the most annoying things they do. You can't compare a 31 track album to a 10 track album, it doesn't make any sense. The fairest possible way to compare those is to use averages. It won't be 1000% fair, but it'll be the fairest comparison. "You lose steam" doesn't really apply when we're talking about the first couple of months after release for artists with huge dedicated fanbases.

How can average song streams be a fair comparison when time is a finite resource?

[Trent W]

The actual thought that the GP is buying Lover and not newer swifties is absolutely insane

 

The GP doesn't buy albums

[DiabeticGrandpa]

46 minutes ago, Headlock said:

Swifties hate Lover 

Swifties adore Lover  wyd