news Democrats in full-blown 'freakout' over Biden

[Rainbows]

It isn't shocking

Biden will not win the presidency and I think we all know this.

 

Something has to change or the democratic party will not win 

 

[spree]

how exactly do they just "replace" Biden with Gavin on the ticket? How does that actually work? 

[Dula Peep]

They need to ceasefire Gaza now so moderate and leftist dems can coalesce together to defeat Dump by November…. 

[Thesedays]

16 hours ago, YellowRibbon said:

Well, it's very predictable. Another Trump presidency will destroy America's credibility in the eyes of the World (I just know that Putin and Xi are giggling at the median American voter being so stupid)

Wait do you think the US has any credibility after literally funding and supplying a genocide where babies are being carbonated? 

 

I mean, the current president is the one funding and defending the genocide, and you guys still think Biden as an alternative would make any difference, so you guys (assuming you're American) are already a joke lbr.

[Thesedays]

15 hours ago, Reginald said:

 Pop off, sis, I'm sure it will "Teach Biden a lesson" when the Trump family becomes America's Sovereign Ruling Family, like North Korea's Kim lineage. Don Jr 2028, please look forward to it. 

Biden: literally supporting Israel to carbonate babies in a refugee camp.

 

@Reginald: "well, how DARE YOU not to vote for Biden? Are you stupid?"

 

You guys are literally cartoon villains, and you honestly think you're the reasonable, logical ones lmao.  I mean, Republican voters are definitely dumb and terrible people, but how is Blue MAGA trying to shame people for not voting for a literal GENOCIDE ENABLER any better? 

 

15 hours ago, Reginald said:

That's not going to happen. Sorry, but people need to accept that. I don't want to spend the rest of my life hearing about Donald Trump every day, and that is the reality we are facing. Haven't we had enough of this? 

Now look, is there a genocide going on? Yes. Are civilians being tortured and killed in the thousands every day? Yes. Are babies being carbonated and kids being operated on without anesthesia? Yes. But look, what about ME? Let's all focus on what's important: ME being sick of hearing about Trump.

 

It's baffling to witness the **** you guys spew while honestly thinking normal people will read it and respect you any more than your average Trumpkin.

 

Like, I DO get voting for Biden out of desperation. I'd never do that, but I can kind of understand. Now, to not understand why others will refuse to do that while he is literally enabling genocide? Now sis...

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[The7thStranger]

18 minutes ago, Thesedays said:

Now look, is there a genocide going on? Yes. Are civilians being tortured and killed in the thousands every day? Yes. Are babies being carbonated and kids being operated on without anesthesia? Yes. But look, what about ME? Let's all focus on what's important: ME being sick of hearing about Trump.

To be fair, although poorly phrased by that user, this does go far beyond that. While I am of the position that a candiate must earn their vote (and not ride, for example, a "I'm not Trump" ticket), I can also fully understand why Americans need to put their own safety above that of the people in another country. A second Trump presidency would be disastrous for several underprivileged groups in the US, not to mention even more disastrous for the Israel-Palastine conflict.

[GraceRandolph]

1 minute ago, The7thStranger said:

To be fair, although poorly phrased by that user, this does go far beyond that. While I am of the position that a candiate must earn their vote (and not ride, for example, a "I'm not Trump" ticket), I can also fully understand why Americans need to put their own safety above that of the people in another country. A second Trump presidency would be disastrous for several underprivileged groups in the US, not to mention even more disastrous for the Israel-Palastine conflict.

The problem with this argument is that it is clear that Biden is only offering an "I'm not Trump" ticket and Democrats (at least the current iteration of them) have shown themselves completely incapable of fighting off the threat of Trump and actively fund far-right politicians if they view them as easier to defeat than moderate Republicans.

[The7thStranger]

6 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said:

The problem with this argument is that it is clear that Biden is only offering an "I'm not Trump" ticket and Democrats (at least the current iteration of them) have shown themselves completely incapable of fighting off the threat of Trump and actively fund far-right politicians if they view them as easier to defeat than moderate Republicans.

While I don't agree that this is at odds with what I wrote above, I do agree with you that the "Look! I'm not the scary bad guy!" approach has been a Democrat tactic for far too long. One can only hope that it works one more time to convince enough people to keep Trump out of office. But if it doesn't work this time, that's on Biden for failing to consider all voices.

 

And even if we keep Trump out this time, Biden's administration has proven to be so ineffective that I fear an 8-year Republican take-over in 2028.

Edited May 29 by The7thStranger

[Thesedays]

15 hours ago, ForgottenSoul said:

 

Yeah Trump doesnt support Israel or Genocide yet is going to win.. right. Biden has been losing against trump in polls for ages Israel **** had nothing to do with it. 

13 hours ago, Gwendolyn said:

Biden is horrid for his support for Israel; I don't think Gaza will be a leading issue on why he will lose the presidency. Across the West, far-right parties who are even more pro-Israel are winning and it's mostly due to the housing crisis, weakening economies and much more. Has much improved under Biden within his 4 years except for 'Trump Bad'

Oh boy how completely wrong you are.

 

Biden won thanks to a marginal amount of votes in swing states.

 

The US isn't about the total number of votes; it's simply about winning in 14 swing states (technically, 16, but we all know Texas and Florida aren't swing states at this point). Therefore, considering the margins 4 years ago, Biden just needs to piss off a small, almost negligible amount of people in a few swing states to lose. That's not a supposition; that's literally what anyone with average intelligence who looked at the results four years ago and understands how US elections work knows.

 

Here's a very easy example: Biden won Michigan by 154.188, and he won the overwhelming majority of Muslim voters in the state. Now, every single article and poll coming out of Michigan states that he lost almost the entirety of Muslim support due to his stance on the genocide and that most Muslim voters won't vote. So that guarantees he'll lose this year. If the same thing had happened four years ago, he'd have lost that state to Trump back then, too.

 

If the US were a country where the total amount of votes mattered, Muslims wouldn't hold much power because they're a very tiny percentage of total voters. Considering they're a sizeable enough minority in one of the very few states where votes actually matter (Michigan), then yes, pissing them off could cost Democrat candidates dearly.

 

Now, let's imagine a scenario that is much more positive for Biden than reality, one in which 99% of those who voted for him 4 years ago were still supporting him enthusiastically enough to vote for him again at the end of the year. Even if that were the case, if a NEGLIGIBLE amount of voters in Wisconsin (where he won by 20k votes) and a NEGLIGIBLE amount of voters in Pennsylvania (where he won by 80.555) cared about Palestine enough as not to vote for him.... then he'd lose. Even if he hadn't lost any other vote for any other reason.

 

So yes, you're incorrect. At the end of the day, the genocide is enough to deny him a reelection, considering the way the US election works. Even if the majority of the US couldn't care less about it, even if that's not a priority for almost anyone, only a tiny segment in three swing states where he won by very few votes would already swing the election to Trump.

Edited May 29 by Thesedays

[Thesedays]

21 minutes ago, The7thStranger said:

To be fair, although poorly phrased by that user, this does go far beyond that. While I am of the position that a candiate must earn their vote (and not ride, for example, a "I'm not Trump" ticket), I can also fully understand why Americans need to put their own safety above that of the people in another country. A second Trump presidency would be disastrous for several underprivileged groups in the US, not to mention even more disastrous for the Israel-Palastine conflict.

Firstly, you guys should stop using the "even more disastrous for the Israel-Palestine conflict"  line because it just exposes how completely ignorant you are about what's currently going on and how genocidal Biden has been. Even if Trump WANTED to be worse, it would be impossible because what's going on in Gaza right now in terms of full-blown genocide is already at the biggest scale it could possibly be.  Please do not embarrass yourselves using this argument. Just make your point that you're willing to sideline this topic completely in lieu of other things.

 

As for the rest of your arguments, there's prioritizing yourself and thus voting for what you think is the least terrible option that'll **** you up in a slightly less painful way. And then there's trying to shame people for having genocide as a red line. People mocking the second group with "lol Trump will be even worse"  and acting as if these people are spoiled or stupid or unreasonable are the latter. If, regardless of their personal position and their personal choice, they still can't understand how someone else couldn't possibly ignore the genocide, then they're disgusting and doesn't really have any space to cry about how selfish and out-of-touch Trumpkins are.

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[Thesedays]

13 hours ago, i spit on haters said:

For myself and the million of others who will not capitulate and vote for Biden, it's not just about one issue. I said on page one that the overall issues dem voters have with Biden is again, all the broken campaign promises (that he never genuinely had any intention of fulfilling), his ineffectiveness to get anything done of substance that's actually tangible in the day to day life of Americans, his age (which most voters are concerned about), his performance of the economy and yes, his ironclad support of Israel. He's been losing support across all voting blocks. And even if Palestine was the only issue for some voters so what ? is mass murder of a group of people not bad enough ? that should be enough for anyone with basic empathy. And yes we're going to continue to be loud and in-your-face about Palestine because we're not going to allow Zionists and the media to sweep this under the rug and become yet another silent genocide. The world is watching and seeing the horrific events unfold in real time. Enough is enough.   

To add to what you said (and what I said above), it's interesting to me how people don't understand how the US election works. Very few votes actually matter because it's first past the post-presidential model.

 

Biden is losing voters across all blocks for a myriad of reasons. But even if he weren't losing any voters for any reason other than Palestine, that'd still be enough to deny his reelection, given the very tiny margins that granted him a victory in 2020.

 

"Most people don't care about that," "most Americans don't know what's going on," "only a tiny fraction of people care about it". Like, even if all of this was true... it doesn't matter? Biden didn't get an overwhelming majority of votes in swing states. In that scenario, you only need a tiny percentage of those who voted for him four years ago in a few select states not voting for you again, and boom; you'd lose.  

 

Now, I get the US election isn't straightforward and can be complicated, so it's totally normal for your average citizen not to understand how it works. But Biden and those around him? Either they're completely inept and shouldn't be in the White House (I mean, quite possible, all things considered), or, more likely, they know it. If you think Biden, or at least those working for him, aren't out-of-this-world stupid, then you'd have to concede they're 100% aware his steadfast support of the genocide is enough to deny his reelection. And still, he does not care. 

 

It's tragically funny how supporting Israel and killing Palestinians seem to actually be more important to Biden than actually winning the election. And yet, there are people here who seem to think the problem is the voters. 

[Twixters]

Okay in the past 100+ years other than assassination when has an incumbent president stepped down to let another person of the same party run a second term for them?

 

If Biden did step down saying he doesn't want to run a second term I could only imagine it would make the dems look even WORST. I mean maybe they could lie and say he has some disease so he can't continue but ehhh 

 

The dems ****** up since 2016. Hillary had no business and neither did Biden. I feel it's as if they purposely are working with the repubs and the destiny all along is that trump is supposed to take over and ruin.

 He may not even ruin. He just setting up for the one world power. 

[Twixters]

17 hours ago, TaggedGalaxy said:

Well they have almost 3 months to make the right decision and take the genocidal fossil off the ticket otherwise they have no one but themselves to blame when Trump wins

Trump supports Israel though. I don't understand how y'all feel like not voting for Biden is gonna help Gaza? He's gonna want them to burn up faster. At least with Biden there may be some kind of wriggle room 

[Twixters]

16 hours ago, GraceRandolph said:

This stubbornness is so unwarranted. We are walking into a potential disaster in November and Biden supporters want to try to rehabilitate this historically unpopular octogenarian in a few months which is practically destined to fail.

 

 

 

16 hours ago, Communion said:

Trump supports genocide. His supporters like genocide. This helps him win. 

 

Biden supports genocide. His supporters DO NOT like genocide. Will this help or hurt his chances of winning?

 

IF JOHNNY HAS TWO APPLES....AND I GIVE HIM TWO MORE APPLES...

 

13 hours ago, i spit on haters said:

For myself and the million of others who will not capitulate and vote for Biden, it's not just about one issue. I said on page one that the overall issues dem voters have with Biden is again, all the broken campaign promises (that he never genuinely had any intention of fulfilling), his ineffectiveness to get anything done of substance that's actually tangible in the day to day life of Americans, his age (which most voters are concerned about), his performance of the economy and yes, his ironclad support of Israel. He's been losing support across all voting blocks. And even if Palestine was the only issue for some voters so what ? is mass murder of a group of people not bad enough ? that should be enough for anyone with basic empathy. And yes we're going to continue to be loud and in-your-face about Palestine because we're not going to allow Zionists and the media to sweep this under the rug and become yet another silent genocide. The world is watching and seeing the horrific events unfold in real time. Enough is enough.   

 

13 hours ago, Johnny Cash said:

"Lesser of two evils" gays still not understanding that mindset is what got you into this situation to begin with

Trump supports Israel though. I don't understand how y'all feel like not voting for Biden is gonna help Gaza? He's gonna want them to burn up faster. At least with Biden there may be some kind of wriggle room for some kind of solace. But to hell with our country in the mean time guess . Let's speed up Americas downfall cause we feel bad for Gaza. Where was this energy for all the other genocides America didn't help?! 
 

and trust it will be a domino effect. There will be no escaping America. Other countries will follow and be just as conservative. They always seem to somehow mirror americas movements 

Edited May 29 by Twixters

[Prodigal Self]

18 minutes ago, Twixters said:

 

 

 

Trump supports Israel though. I don't understand how y'all feel like not voting for Biden is gonna help Gaza? He's gonna want them to burn up faster. At least with Biden there may be some kind of wriggle room for some kind of solace. But to hell with our country in the mean time guess . Let's speed up Americas downfall cause we feel bad for Gaza. Where was this energy for all the other genocides America didn't help?! 
 

and trust it will be a domino effect. There will be no escaping America. Other countries will follow and be just as conservative. They always seem to somehow mirror americas movements 

Yeah you don't. All of y'all still don't understand why people feel strongly about carpet bombing children and maybe that's why a wake up call is needed!

[Twixters]

10 minutes ago, Prodigal Self said:

Yeah you don't. All of y'all still don't understand why people feel strongly about carpet bombing children and maybe that's why a wake up call is needed!

Oh the wake up call is loud. Trump and his supporters will not only continue to obliterate those children they will also obliterate this nation. 
 

I feel bad for them but I'm not gonna sacrifice my own nation for it. If they got everything they wanted would they let their country go to **** for us? 
Darwinism is real 

[Prodigal Self]

11 minutes ago, Twixters said:

Oh the wake up call is loud. Trump and his supporters will not only continue to obliterate those children they will also obliterate this nation. 

And y'all let them

[The7thStranger]

1 hour ago, Thesedays said:

Firstly, you guys should stop using the "even more disastrous for the Israel-Palestine conflict"  line because it just exposes how completely ignorant you are about what's currently going on and how genocidal Biden has been. Even if Trump WANTED to be worse, it would be impossible because what's going on in Gaza right now in terms of full-blown genocide is already at the biggest scale it could possibly be.  Please do not embarrass yourselves using this argument. Just make your point that you're willing to sideline this topic completely in lieu of other things.

If this is the attitude that you will take toward me and this conversation, which I tried to have in good faith, then I will simply no longer engage with it.

 

None of this helps your case or will convince anybody that your position is correct (it's not). If you don't think that things can get worse, you are incredibly naïve.

 

  

1 hour ago, Thesedays said:

And then there's trying to shame people for having genocide as a red line.

I never did that.

Edited May 29 by The7thStranger

[Communion]

4 hours ago, Twixters said:

Trump supports Israel though.

 

21 hours ago, Communion said:

Trump supports genocide. His supporters like genocide. This helps him win. 

 

Biden supports genocide. His supporters DO NOT like genocide. Will this help or hurt his chances of winning?

 

IF JOHNNY HAS TWO APPLES....AND I GIVE HIM TWO MORE APPLES...

What's genuinely not clicking for yall?

[ForgottenSoul]

6 hours ago, Thesedays said:

Oh boy how completely wrong you are.

 

Biden won thanks to a marginal amount of votes in swing states.

 

The US isn't about the total number of votes; it's simply about winning in 14 swing states (technically, 16, but we all know Texas and Florida aren't swing states at this point). Therefore, considering the margins 4 years ago, Biden just needs to piss off a small, almost negligible amount of people in a few swing states to lose. That's not a supposition; that's literally what anyone with average intelligence who looked at the results four years ago and understands how US elections work knows.

 

Here's a very easy example: Biden won Michigan by 154.188, and he won the overwhelming majority of Muslim voters in the state. Now, every single article and poll coming out of Michigan states that he lost almost the entirety of Muslim support due to his stance on the genocide and that most Muslim voters won't vote. So that guarantees he'll lose this year. If the same thing had happened four years ago, he'd have lost that state to Trump back then, too.

 

If the US were a country where the total amount of votes mattered, Muslims wouldn't hold much power because they're a very tiny percentage of total voters. Considering they're a sizeable enough minority in one of the very few states where votes actually matter (Michigan), then yes, pissing them off could cost Democrat candidates dearly.

 

Now, let's imagine a scenario that is much more positive for Biden than reality, one in which 99% of those who voted for him 4 years ago were still supporting him enthusiastically enough to vote for him again at the end of the year. Even if that were the case, if a NEGLIGIBLE amount of voters in Wisconsin (where he won by 20k votes) and a NEGLIGIBLE amount of voters in Pennsylvania (where he won by 80.555) cared about Palestine enough as not to vote for him.... then he'd lose. Even if he hadn't lost any other vote for any other reason.

 

So yes, you're incorrect. At the end of the day, the genocide is enough to deny him a reelection, considering the way the US election works. Even if the majority of the US couldn't care less about it, even if that's not a priority for almost anyone, only a tiny segment in three swing states where he won by very few votes would already swing the election to Trump.

You say this but Biden was behind by like 5% compared to last year in Michigan and that was before the Israel situation. 

 

How many Muslim voters voted in Michigan in 2020? 

 

Pretty sure Muslim demographic in Michigan is a very low % and I doubt all Muslim voters voted. 

 

Its around 240k Muslim population in Michigan and I doubt even half of that voted. 

[Bloo]

4 hours ago, Twixters said:

I feel bad for them but I'm not gonna sacrifice my own nation for it. If they got everything they wanted would they let their country go to **** for us? 
Darwinism is real 

This is the exact kind of thinking for how people continue to vote for the big scary Republicans just for tax cuts. “I feel bad for the minorities in America who will be affected by Trump but I’m not gonna sacrifice my own life of comfort for them.”

[Shelter]

He is done 

[GraceRandolph]

29 minutes ago, ForgottenSoul said:

You say this but Biden was behind by like 5% compared to last year in Michigan and that was before the Israel situation. 

 

How many Muslim voters voted in Michigan in 2020? 

 

Pretty sure Muslim demographic in Michigan is a very low % and I doubt all Muslim voters voted. 

 

Its around 240k Muslim population in Michigan and I doubt even half of that voted. 

Reminder that Hillary Clinton lost Michigan by only 10,000 votes in 2016.

[AvadaKedavra]

There's no way Biden is winning. USA is goin full into dictatorship mode  sayin this as a southamerican. Even people here think he's a lost cause-senine old man with nothing good
The democrats are so dumb. What en embarrasement.  Dark times are coming for the States and the World

Hope there's a miracle and there's a way to save us from Trump. Manifesting a miracle




 

[Twixters]

3 hours ago, Bloo said:

This is the exact kind of thinking for how people continue to vote for the big scary Republicans just for tax cuts. "I feel bad for the minorities in America who will be affected by Trump but I'm not gonna sacrifice my own life of comfort for them."

APPLES AND ORANGES. 
 

If you don't want trump you vote dem.

 

if you don't want war in Gaza doesn't matter who you vote for. It's a lost cause. Both agree with it. So since they both agree I'm going with the one who doesn't want to run our democracy into the ground. You don't win by not voting Biden. 
 

This is the real world so grow up and get real. The fact you think you gonna win some moral brownie points for not voting at all is asinine! "I wanna punish the dems by supporting Gaza" is going to do nothing but punish you for the next 30 years!  

Edited May 29 by Twixters