artist stats Eras Tour - 10x bigger revenue for Stockholm than Ren tour & 20x that of Chroma tour

[family.guy123]

25 minutes ago, Gui Blackout said:

 

It's literally bellow the tweet 

 

 

Thank you! Was that so hard OP?

[family.guy123]

26 minutes ago, Carry My Heart said:

THE SOURCE: Taylor Swift i Sverige – ekonomisk boom eller inflationssmäll?

Where is Gaga mentioned in the article? I can't read Swedish but I couldn't find her via a search either 

[Colmillo]

Swifties are so insecure, it's getting weird 

[PoisonedIvy]

4 minutes ago, Colmillo said:

Swifties are so insecure, it's getting weird 

Thought experiment: why is it not the others that are insecure? They're the ones that lash out at the first sight of comparison between Taylor and their favorite artists. It seems like they are insecure about not being able to compete, and so they take that out on Taylor and her fanbase. 
 

Just a thought experiment. I do think some factions of Swift's fanbase can be too obsessed with charts, numbers, and success. I wouldn't call that insecurity though, I'd call that arrogance. But I also think the other fanbases are insecure about their fav's -lack- of (this level of) success at times. It's a two way street.

[bjorn]

43 minutes ago, Gui Blackout said:

 

It's literally bellow the tweet 

 

 

I'm sorry but where in the source is the 2.6B SEK number? Can't find it 

[bjorn]

44 minutes ago, Carry My Heart said:

THE SOURCE: Taylor Swift i Sverige – ekonomisk boom eller inflationssmäll?

Can you find the exact quote where it says "2.6B SEK" thanks

[UnusualBoy]

5 minutes ago, PoisonedIvy said:

Thought experiment: why is it not the others that are insecure? They're the ones that lash out at the first sight of comparison between Taylor and their favorite artists. It seems like they are insecure about not being able to compete, and so they take that out on Taylor and her fanbase. 
 

Just a thought experiment. I do think some factions of Swift's fanbase can be too obsessed with charts, numbers, and success. I wouldn't call that insecurity though, I'd call that arrogance. But I also think the other fanbases are insecure about their fav's -lack- of (this level of) success at times. It's a two way street.

Honestly, it comes from both sides tbh. Haters find any excuse to drag Taylor and the fans find any excuse to show she's stomping on everybody, it's a cycle at this point.

[PoisonedIvy]

2 minutes ago, UnusualBoy said:

Honestly, it comes from both sides tbh. Haters find any excuse to drag Taylor and the fans find any excuse to show she's stomping on everybody, it's a cycle at this point.

Yeah, unfortunately not everyone has the rationality to perceive that, nor do they have the maturity (or the willingness) to break that cycle. I do my part to never contribute to it though, and I try my best to help others understand when they're only adding fuel to the fire. But sometimes it feels like a lost cause lol.

[byzantium]

I'm sure if I read through this thread it will be full of people having a productive conversation about the current state of tours with no one feeling insecure and the need to lash to defend their favorite billionaire.  

[theboyismine]

I heard that Taylor herself handing out free tickets in Gamla Stan before the concert..I think it was reported that she even pushed a poor woman on the ground when she refused to take the ticket

[ariananext]

omg who cares  OP has a serious inferiority complex despite stanning two huge artists, what's up babygirl?

[slw84]

Organic demand and a legendary brand.

Good on Taylor!

Go on, girl!

[slw84]

Organic demand and a legendary brand.

Good on Taylor!

Go on, girl!

[ariananext]

21 minutes ago, PoisonedIvy said:

Thought experiment: why is it not the others that are insecure? They're the ones that lash out at the first sight of comparison between Taylor and their favorite artists. It seems like they are insecure about not being able to compete, and so they take that out on Taylor and her fanbase. 
 

Just a thought experiment. I do think some factions of Swift's fanbase can be too obsessed with charts, numbers, and success. I wouldn't call that insecurity though, I'd call that arrogance. But I also think the other fanbases are insecure about their fav's -lack- of (this level of) success at times. It's a two way street.

Most of fanbases know Taylor's success is an "anomaly" and nobody can compete, the things is most of them (the sane ones) also know that her huge huge numbers are due to a certain behavior that they (thankfully) don't want to replicate, cause let's be honest, it's not really sane.

 

On the other hand, swifties' behavior is just like Taylor's in the industry, they have a problem with competition and need to win every single prize to be reassured they're doing the right thing. And when they see someone else winning anything, they have to make sure everybody (and mostly themselves) knows they can't compete. 

[More Than A Melody]

That's not how the economy works. It's just a clickbait headline. We've been over this.

[PoisonedIvy]

1 minute ago, ariananext said:

Most of fanbases know Taylor's success is an "anomaly" and nobody can compete, the things is most of them (the sane ones) also know that her huge huge numbers are due to a certain behavior that they (thankfully) don't want to replicate, cause let's be honest, it's not really sane.

 

On the other hand, swifties' behavior is just like Taylor's in the industry, they have a problem with competition and need to win every single prize to be reassured they're doing the right thing. And when they see someone else winning anything, they have to make sure everybody (and mostly themselves) knows they can't compete. 

I get where you're coming from because I see so much of that here on ATRL and over on twitter. I think it's degenerate, and way too similar to sports fans. Every single week those guys trash talk each other & stoop really low all in the name of competition. Taylor has certainly intensified and enabled that behavior by acting on her competitive and ambitious desires so heavily this decade. So her fans do get way too cocky and ridiculous at times when it comes to their attempts at belittling, diminishing, negating, or erasing the success of others. 
 

But I still think the other side lashes out at Swift & her fans out of insecurity, which just makes those fans retaliate with even more vitriol. Not the type of insecurity that's like "I wish my fav was doing the things Taylor was doing to succeed" but rather "why is this artist I don't enjoy as much as my personal favorite earning so much undeserved valor."
 

And to me, therein lies the issue. A lot of the invalidation of Taylor's success is from people who try to claim she doesn't even deserve it. They chalk it up to manipulative tactics instead of her work ethic and power moves. On the flip side, a lot of the invalidation of other artists successes from Swifties is just the same type of competitive mind games that opposing sports teams fans utilize on each other. Kicking others when they're down so to speak. It's usually about "humbling" the "losers," rarely is it ever about the artist or how much they do or don't deserve that success. 
 

TLDR - Swift's fans can be arrogant and kick other fanbases when they're down, but that negativity usually doesn't stem from a disdain towards the artist in question. Swift's haters can be insecure and retaliatory, but that doesn't stop with the fanbase, it extends to their perception of Taylor as an artist and a businesswoman.
 

That's my assessment anyway, and it's what makes some Swifties defend her even harder. 

[PoisonedIvy]

Oh my god I do type a lot  

 

Sorry  I work from home and tend to have a lot of free time. 

[More Than A Melody]

Just now, PoisonedIvy said:

But I still think the other side lashes out at Swift & her fans out of insecurity, which just makes those fans retaliate with even more vitriol. Not the type of insecurity that's like "I wish my fav was doing the things Taylor was doing to succeed" but rather "why is this artist I don't enjoy as much as my personal favorite earning so much undeserved valor."

With love, I think you're projecting. Do you know how many artists I don't personally enjoy are ridiculously successful? Multiple. Do you know how many of their fans are personally annoying? Only Swifties. I'm talking Justin Bieber for instance. He's been ridiculously successful the entire time I've been a fan of pop culture. And his fans NEVER elicited the type of response Swifties elicit from me. Because they were mostly kids who didn't feel the need to compete over absolutely every f*cking thing and treat art and music like a sport, like you yourself said. I'm talking about Bieber's imperial phase, like Purpose, where I personally stanned 1D too. 

I want you to understand the contrast, because I don't think you're fully grasping it. You guys are the most annoying fanbase in the world and Taylor's achievements have nothing to do with it. I never got the Adele hype. Never. I find her music incredibly boring, even though I think she's incredibly talented. I use maybe two-three of her songs. I never understood why soccer moms went so crazy over the same music over and over. It NEVER bothered me in the slightest.

 

Perhaps consider that if everyone else is annoyed at y'all, y'all are the problem! Not even Taylor herself (though I do think she encourages your behavior).

[PoisonedIvy]

24 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said:

With love, I think you're projecting. Do you know how many artists I don't personally enjoy are ridiculously successful? Multiple. Do you know how many of their fans are personally annoying? Only Swifties. I'm talking Justin Bieber for instance. He's been ridiculously successful the entire time I've been a fan of pop culture. And his fans NEVER elicited the type of response Swifties elicit from me. Because they were mostly kids who didn't feel the need to compete over absolutely every f*cking thing and treat art and music like a sport, like you yourself said. I'm talking about Bieber's imperial phase, like Purpose, where I personally stanned 1D too. 

I want you to understand the contrast, because I don't think you're fully grasping it. You guys are the most annoying fanbase in the world and Taylor's achievements have nothing to do with it. I never got the Adele hype. Never. I find her music incredibly boring, even though I think she's incredibly talented. I use maybe two-three of her songs. I never understood why soccer moms went so crazy over the same music over and over. It NEVER bothered me in the slightest.

 

Perhaps consider that if everyone else is annoyed at y'all, y'all are the problem! Not even Taylor herself (though I do think she encourages your behavior).

Your post does not apply to me so imma let it fly, I don't stan her for her success; I'm a fan of the music. And I never antagonize other bases or demean other artists. Was just offering my perspective on the state of affairs, and I hear + respect your rebuttal. I think the people annoyed by the fanbase aren't willing to diagnose why they get annoyed.
 

i do believe it's possible to be secure in the "level" of success of artists you're a fan of and find the arrogance of some of Swift's fans to be off putting. Not denying that at all! I just think more of it stems from feelings of inadequacy. On both ends. Swift fans feel like they have to defend the "lack of" quality of her catalogue (according to her detractors) by citing numerical/objective measurements, and Swift haters feel like they have to defend the "lack of" success of their favs catalogue (according to some Swift fans) by citing more subjective measurements. Both sides are really just retaliating against each other in a never ending cycle. But if you follow the rabbit hole, you're more likely to find that Swifties are on the defense more than they are on the offense. They just defend hard af.

[ariananext]

2 minutes ago, PoisonedIvy said:

I get where you're coming from because I see so much of that here on ATRL and over on twitter. I think it's degenerate, and way too similar to sports fans. Every single week those guys trash talk each other & stoop really low all in the name of competition. Taylor has certainly intensified and enabled that behavior by acting on her competitive and ambitious desires so heavily this decade. So her fans do get way too cocky and ridiculous at times when it comes to their attempts at belittling, diminishing, negating, or erasing the success of others. 
 

But I still think the other side lashes out at Swift & her fans out of insecurity, which just makes those fans retaliate with even more vitriol. Not the type of insecurity that's like "I wish my fav was doing the things Taylor was doing to succeed" but rather "why is this artist I don't enjoy as much as my personal favorite earning so much undeserved valor."
 

And to me, therein lies the issue. A lot of the invalidation of Taylor's success is from people who try to claim she doesn't even deserve it. They chalk it up to manipulative tactics instead of her work ethic and power moves. On the flip side, a lot of the invalidation of other artists successes from Swifties is just the same type of competitive mind games that opposing sports teams fans utilize on each other. Kicking others when they're down so to speak. It's usually about "humbling" the "losers," rarely is it ever about the artist or how much they do or don't deserve that success. 
 

TLDR - Swift's fans can be arrogant and kick other fanbases when they're down, but that negativity usually doesn't stem from a disdain towards the artist in question. Swift's haters can be insecure and retaliatory, but that doesn't stop with the fanbase, it extends to their perception of Taylor as an artist and a businesswoman.
 

That's my assessment anyway, and it's what makes some Swifties defend her even harder. 

I agree with most things you said, of course she has a lot of haters who hate her for no reason, especially those out of stan world who have never heard a song of hers (I think swifties get the same treatment that's usually reserved for fans of male artists and boy bands, as the crazy obsessive fans etc.). And of course there's a lot of jealous stans out there who do hate on her and her fans because they want her success for their fave, but I feel like that's "normal" as anybody in her place would get that type of jealousy-hate.

 

There's something else, which is what I was talking about above, which is a behavior that is about Taylor and her fanbase only and wouldn't apply to other artists if they didn't have the same level of fixation with numbers. There's many chart stans on here, me included (nowadays not really because it takes time to keep up with these things), but one thing is finding it entertaining to keep up with charts and numbers related stuff, and another is to be obsessed with numbers and not being able to have a conversation without bringing them up. Like there's no way you don't come across as insecure (and that you only care about that) if you bring up 1M debuts in a conversation about, let's say, vocal performances.

 

The amount of bulk buying, spending huge sums of money on useless things for the sole purpose of showing people/her that you're willing to spend for Taylor more than anything, it's a behavior that she has encouraged during the years. Taking time to acknowledge the amount of tickets sold every night/albums sold, the FOMO variants (if you don't buy this right now you won't ever have the chance to do it nor listen to this exclusive song, and the it comes out on Spotify two weeks later), doing everything and more to get that 17th week at the top (which in no way affects her status) while blocking artists who only had that shot at a #1 album, releasing things such as rehearsals from awards shows because you know that your fans would buy anything from you. I don't want it to sound harsh, but she was super smart to build this type of relationship because at this point her fanbase is a huge money machine (especially since the re-release thing started), they do not care about the product, they will buy it because she made it and not because they love it, because honestly she has 15 albums worth of songs and you can't tell me you LOVE all of them, for that reason buying 10 variants of one album (and thus spending hundreds) before even having a taste of it can't be considered normal adult behavior, in my opinion.

 

It's simple as that, she does many thing just because she can, and when you're that big I think you should also know your worth, your level and know that sometimes it's okay not to do things just because you have the power to do them, it's okay to let other people have their moment, but I guess that "considerate" attitude wouldn't have gotten her to this level.

 

I love her for many things but mostly because though her lyrics she comes across as someone who knows human nature and feelings very well, and for the same reason I can not empathize with her because her behavior doesn't align with the type of person I perceive through her art.

As of today, she's proven she's a great business woman, she's a whole billionaire with a 20 years career, she could do less and still be on top, richer and bigger than anyone, and to me someone who has all that should have the grace and the sensitivity to let her peers have their moment, which is becoming more and more impossible with her amount of releases + her fanbase behavior.

 

At the end of the day, I think it's all in her Miss Americana doc, despite her infinite success, she still seeks validation through prizes, consensus and numbers, which is something most of artists do, but not to that level, and that has been transferred to her fans through the years.

 

I also do type a lot but I enjoy having these type of confrontation with no fighting lol.

[PoisonedIvy]

5 minutes ago, ariananext said:

 

I also do type a lot but I enjoy having these type of confrontation with no fighting lol.

Likewise! I will get back to you on this later just to give my closing thoughts on your counterpoints, but for now I'm taking my younger brothers to an amusement park so I have to hop off and drive there. Have a good afternoon/evening in the meantime! I think you're in Italy if I remember right so if you're sleep later I understand  

[bjorn]

I read through the source and no where does it mention

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Friends Arena Stadium raked in a staggering €220M (2.6B SEK) in revenue for the city. 

I think the OP in that tweet made it up 

[Enrique523]

But how is that possible when Twitter Vibes told me otherwise? 

[Enrique523]

5 hours ago, Devin said:

wrdgaf 

You clearly do since you just came here to post this 

 

 

[Enrique523]

5 hours ago, naval23 said:

Swifties keep Gaga and Bey's name out of your mouth challenge

You literally go in EVERY Taylor Swift thread to hate on her, how about YOU take your own advice and keep her name out of your mouth?