Into The Void Posted May 22 Posted May 22 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Relampago. said: Girl what? I feel as though you might feel attacked by my post, but you're kind of on the same side as me with this comment. It makes no sense to berate people on here when we should all be agreeing that Biden needs to be advocating for better things. We're all "insignificant" but people saying "Vote Biden or die" is has lost its luster a long time ago. Basically, we need to continue to focus on the conversation of getting some real action and policies enacted rather than trying to shame each other into voting for a do-nothing democrat, even on a small scale. I know we're all insignificant and change isn't going to happen amongst us right away, but this "vote blue no matter who!" commentary is even more useless than one "insignificant" person advocating for Medicare For All. Speaking from my own experience, I used to be a staunch moderate back in high school when the election was coming up. Pro-Hillary all the way. Being on this website, users were able to point me to new sources of information, other options and helped open my mind to things that I never even knew were possible, and now I not only have moved further left because I know that is what must be done to move society forward, but I'm able to speak to some of these issues in real life to people around me. My family, my friends, they've all slowly begun moving left after hearing more of my informed thoughts. Yeah, we're not going to change Biden's mind tomorrow. But by having the right conversations, rather than having this endless cycle of useless conversations of shaming people who will inevitably vote Biden anyways is pointless. The people here expressing their grievances have the right to do so, it makes sense that they would. And while you, and anyone else, have the right to defend Biden, it's really important to remember who the real enemy is and it's not the ATRLer posting on here. Whether Biden or Trump win, we're ****** either way I live in Texas most of my friends/ family r MAGA lmao. I'm not convincing anybody Quote but I'm able to speak to some of these issues in real life to people around me. My family, my friends, they've all slowly begun moving left after hearing more of my informed thoughts. Edited May 22 by Into The Void 1
Relampago. Posted May 22 Posted May 22 27 minutes ago, Into The Void said: Whether Biden or Trump win, we're ****** either way I live in Texas most of my friends/ family r MAGA lmao. I'm not convincing anybody I feel that, you're not responsible for changing anyone's mind anyways. I have personally found that even with my conservative, religious family, we had a lot of similar concerns we were able to connect on. They're not suddenly Democrats, but it did help to bridge the gap between our ideologies. Absolutely doesn't have to be the same situation for you, but just know a lot of us are in the same boat sis. Even if not your family, a lot of us girls on here are under similar threats and have more similar ideologies than different. I think we get so caught up in fighting that we forget we're generally on the same team. Some girls fight on here just for the sake of fighting, I choose to not engage. All in all, you're not alone girl. Just know that.
Into The Void Posted May 22 Posted May 22 7 hours ago, Relampago. said: I feel that, you're not responsible for changing anyone's mind anyways. I have personally found that even with my conservative, religious family, we had a lot of similar concerns we were able to connect on. They're not suddenly Democrats, but it did help to bridge the gap between our ideologies. Absolutely doesn't have to be the same situation for you, but just know a lot of us are in the same boat sis. Even if not your family, a lot of us girls on here are under similar threats and have more similar ideologies than different. I think we get so caught up in fighting that we forget we're generally on the same team. Some girls fight on here just for the sake of fighting, I choose to not engage. All in all, you're not alone girl. Just know that. I know I'm not alone and yeah even though I can't convince people not to vote Trump which I tried to in 2020, I mean we all have free will and they don't have to do what I tell them I remember one of my cousins in 2020 saying I voted for Biden cause I love Black's and gays lol
Thesedays Posted May 22 Posted May 22 On 5/19/2024 at 6:00 PM, hopeisademonbitch said: Weirdly enough, before the 2020 election, I remember the democratic party talking about stacking the courts in their favor. I wonder if that's a party opinion and not a biden-specific opinion. A Biden presidency will not solve the "far-right" court issue. What is being attempted is that leftists are hoping that he'll get arrested, but that doesn't seem to look like it'll happen before 2024's election (but maybe 2028). The problem with that line of thinking imo is what are they going to do if he gets arrested for something like 6 months since a bunch of the cases have been thrown out of the courts recently iirc. What are those mythical leftists who believe in US American court system and believe he'll get arrested? Lmao. Or are you talking about liberals?
Thesedays Posted May 22 Posted May 22 On 5/19/2024 at 6:48 PM, Pheromosa said: Palestine being the deal breaker is so wild to me. A Trump presidency it's just going to hasten the process Only in the US for genocide being a deal breaker to be considered "wild." And then, in the same breath, you're going to try and argue how you need to save democracy in this trainwreck of a nation as if it isn't already far beyond repair lmao.
Pheromosa Posted May 22 Posted May 22 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Thesedays said: Only in the US for genocide being a deal breaker to be considered "wild." And then, in the same breath, you're going to try and argue how you need to save democracy in this trainwreck of a nation as if it isn't already far beyond repair lmao. it's broken but it is idiotic to propel things instead of at least try to stall which is my original point. Goes for the genocide as well I'm going to be fine whoever is president though, can't say the same about everyone else in and outside of this country. Edited May 22 by Pheromosa
Thesedays Posted May 22 Posted May 22 On 5/19/2024 at 7:22 PM, Breathe On Moi said: wasn't me, but im also not seeking revenge for Bernie 8 years later either tho I guess. also no, that is probably not the reason, like at all/ weird take. anyways I stand by what I said, I can't wait to see what you come up with! Lmao, "seeking revenge for Bernie." Darling, if leftists were so loyal and subservient to Bernie as you are to the Democratic Party we'd be voting for Biden like he's demanding us to. We're just not as limited as you. 1 2
Thesedays Posted May 22 Posted May 22 (edited) 1 minute ago, Pheromosa said: it's broken but there it is idiotic to propel things instead of at least try to stall which is my original point. Goes for the genocide as well I'm going to be fine whoever is president though, can't say the same about everyone else in and outside of this country. Didn't the genocide happen while you were "trying to stall"? How did that work out, huh? The fact Biden giving billions, enabling genocide, and then GOING AGAINST THE INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT when they go after one of the responsible for genocide being your idea of "trying to stall" is interesting. Edited May 22 by Thesedays
Breathe On Moi Posted May 22 Posted May 22 1 minute ago, Thesedays said: Lmao, "seeking revenge for Bernie." Darling, if leftists were so loyal and subservient to Bernie as you are to the Democratic Party we'd be voting for Biden like he's demanding us to. We're just not as limited as you. not #Him bringing out his dupe ffs shoo!
Pheromosa Posted May 22 Posted May 22 2 minutes ago, Thesedays said: How did that work out, huh? if you think it's bad for Palestine now just you wait, you people are delusional
Thesedays Posted May 22 Posted May 22 1 minute ago, Breathe On Moi said: not #Him bringing out his dupe ffs shoo! I love you trying to talk about politics as if it's a stan war and complaining about "dupes." Politics seems a complicated topic but it isn't really. Maybe you should engage your brain for like a few minutes so you can actually type a non-embarrassing response? Or, if you're unable to do this, why waste your time in these types of posts? 1
Thesedays Posted May 22 Posted May 22 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Pheromosa said: if you think it's bad for Palestine now just you wait, you people are delusional My love, Palestinians THEMSELVES are saying it makes literally no difference between Biden and Trump when it comes to their treatment and that they hate Biden just as much. But yes, nothing is more fascinating and enlightening than an AMERICAN who acknowledges that he is privileged and is literally funding the attacks with his tax money, thinking he knows better than dumb delusional Palestinians while actually treating their genocide as some minor inconvenience. You guys are literally cartoon villains while you think you're being the sensible ones on the right side lmao. Edited May 22 by Thesedays 1
Pheromosa Posted May 22 Posted May 22 1 minute ago, Thesedays said: thinking he knows better than dumb delusional Palestinians Nope, I'm talking about you in specific. Brain rot has got you bad so this will be my last reply. 2
Thesedays Posted May 22 Posted May 22 Just now, Pheromosa said: Nope, I'm talking about you in specific. Brain rot has got you bad so this will be my last reply. So wait, you're talking about me "in specific." But my opinion was specifically related to Palestine and the fact that, even if he wants to, there's no actual way Trump can be worse than Biden on their genocide. A point with which the overwhelming majority of Palestinians, including those who live in the USA, agree. So yes babes, are Palestinians "delusional" or not for not preferring Biden over Trump? Say it with your chest what you think of them.
Thesedays Posted May 22 Posted May 22 On 5/19/2024 at 10:24 PM, wastedpotential said: People were allowed to hate Hillary in a time when the basic institutions of government in the US were still maintained and upheld, a privilege I don't think will be afforded to Biden. Still, if we haven't both been executed by the regime as dissidents, I'd love to hear your thoughts about how it's all still Biden's fault, say sometime in mid-2026. It's always funny how liberals always end up making clear that their priority when voting is actually themselves and their irrational fears. This kind of makes clear why you guys can so easily dismiss genocide, war crimes, etc. Because it's about you and your anxiety issues, nothing else. Even if I do agree Trump will be bad for my anxiety issues too, at least I am evolved enough to not center the election on ME and my irrational feelings. Which, by the way, is how you got this batshit Republican Party in the first place. Good job being the other side of the same coin! 1 1
Thesedays Posted May 22 Posted May 22 On 5/19/2024 at 10:41 PM, wastedpotential said: Oh I agree that there is a laundry list of things Biden should have done differently, but it's too late to have that conversation. There are four choices that can be made on Election Day (Trump, Biden, 3rd Party, Stay Home), and 3 of the 4 (in swing states, at least) enable a Trump victory. And as I've said up-thread, I do think choosing to not vote for Biden because of Gaza is a bit odd given Trump's record in Yemen, but however y'all choose to rationalize your decisions is up to you. And I do think there is a fundamental misunderstanding of the threat that Trump poses amongst members of the electorate who aren't reading through what he and his surrogates are saying they'll do on day 1 (well, those of us who don't agree with him). The press isn't covering his rallies like they were and most people are brushing off his more radical claims with "oh, well he was stopped by guardrails last time", except he's got people around him with screwdrivers and they're disassembling the guardrails as we speak. Hey, can you remind me who was president when the attacks on Yemen (with full US backing) started? Who was the president when cholera came back to Yemen? Who was the president who bombed weddings and funerals? Spoiler: it was Obama. But sure, you're trying to tell us, people who are obviously more intelligent and care more about Yemenis than you do, that we should vote for the Dem Party establishment because of... Yemen.
Thesedays Posted May 22 Posted May 22 On 5/19/2024 at 10:44 PM, Hex said: I have zero respect for anyone who lives in a swing state and refuses to vote this year. Selfish behavior for a back pat. I am pretty sure liberals having zero respect for them will weigh heavily on people's minds in November. Keep up the good outreach work!
Thesedays Posted May 22 Posted May 22 On 5/19/2024 at 11:24 PM, GhostBox said: "Just vote 3rd party" literally the most popular 3rd party candidate this election (and is not even on enough ballots to win the EC) I hate this piece of **** just as much as Biden but what either of these articles supposed to accomplish? That he is worse than Biden for what reason exactly? Because he is dishonest, corrupt and possibly not well mentally? Sis, I got news for you...
Thesedays Posted May 22 Posted May 22 (edited) On 5/19/2024 at 11:43 PM, Pop Art said: It absolutely blows my mind how so people whose views are pretty aligned with mine see this and all the other terrifying things looming from another Trump presidency (for the US and other countries) and still somehow think voting for someone other than Biden or not voting at all is the best option. Like I truly do not get it. Biden is far from perfect, but of the only two people that will walk away with a 2025 presidency, he's clearly the better choice if you're on the left. I'm all for criticizing him and pushing for him to veer way more left, but that's a whole different conversation than people protest voting third party or not voting at all. On 5/20/2024 at 9:18 AM, Hephaestus said: mte. Like, imagine not putting all your efforts towards making Trump not win the following elections when he HAS TOLD YOU (multiple times even) how bad things would get if he were to become president again. Biden is far from perfect and I understand he's (rightfully) not the ideal candidate for a good portion of the population, but between him and someone who is gonna absolutely wreck chaos in the country (and in the world too, either intentionally or unintentionally), making this much much worse for anyone who is not white cis het man goes completely beyond my comprehension. And then you have people voting 3rd party... At this point just tell us you want everyone's life to be miserable because by not voting for Biden you're actively contributing to the hellhole the US will become if (when?) Trump gets elected. Like, there might not even be elections anymore in 2028, good luck booking that better candidate you speak of! I love that the best criticism liberals can offer to Biden, who is enabling genocide, is that he is "far from perfect." "Yes, a genocide... well, that's far from perfect, right? But..." I don't get how you people can be so detached from actual human suffering while trying to convince us we're the baddies. Edited May 22 by Thesedays 1
fab Posted May 22 Posted May 22 2 minutes ago, Thesedays said: Hey, can you remind me who was president when the attacks on Yemen (with full US backing) started? Who was the president when cholera came back to Yemen? Who was the president who bombed weddings and funerals? Spoiler: it was Obama. But sure, you're trying to tell us, people who are obviously more intelligent and care more about Yemenis than you do, that we should vote for the Dem Party establishment because of... Yemen. 31 minutes ago, Thesedays said: Only in the US for genocide being a deal breaker to be considered "wild." And then, in the same breath, you're going to try and argue how you need to save democracy in this trainwreck of a nation as if it isn't already far beyond repair lmao. girl no offence but your fatalistic view and this "owning the libs" type of aggressive debating kinda reminds me of MAGA. 5 minutes ago, Thesedays said: It's always funny how liberals always end up making clear that their priority when voting is actually themselves What's wrong with people voting in their own interests / choosing their voting priorities differently? Foreign policy in the Middle East may be your top priority, but people are allowed to consider other issues as well. 1 1
Thesedays Posted May 22 Posted May 22 6 minutes ago, fab said: girl no offence but your fatalistic view and this "owning the libs" type of aggressive debating kinda reminds me of MAGA. No offense taken. It seems more like it's your issue, perhaps related to a lack of nuance or ability to understand the world outside of binaries. Quote What's wrong with people voting in their own interests / choosing their voting priorities differently? Foreign policy in the Middle East may be your top priority, but people are allowed to consider other issues as well. I never said that's wrong, though, did I? That's what everyone does to an extent. It's just weird to be so self-centered that you focus yourself and your irrational fears over the debate you're actually having. 1
ClashAndBurn Posted May 22 Posted May 22 9 minutes ago, fab said: girl no offence but your fatalistic view and this "owning the libs" type of aggressive debating kinda reminds me of MAGA. What's wrong with people voting in their own interests / choosing their voting priorities differently? Foreign policy in the Middle East may be your top priority, but people are allowed to consider other issues as well. People are free to vote in their interests, but liberals aren't just stopping there. They're trying to bully and threaten leftists into backing a genocidal maniac because blue genocide is more comfortable to them than red genocide. And frankly, that worldview is why I just... don't care about liberals anymore, and wish them nothing but the worst possible outcomes of Project 2025. By backing Biden 100%, they've given him no reason to change course. Which is why his ironclad support of an ethnic cleansing campaign is so ironclad- because he's not losing as much as he should be. Democrat voters have Palestinian blood on their hands just as Joe Biden and Antony Blinken do. 2
Pop Art Posted May 22 Posted May 22 48 minutes ago, Thesedays said: I love that the best criticism liberals can offer to Biden, who is enabling genocide, is that he is "far from perfect." "Yes, a genocide... well, that's far from perfect, right? But..." I don't get how you people can be so detached from actual human suffering while trying to convince us we're the baddies. I can't speak for others, but I agree that what is happening in Palestine is a disaster and action should be taken to stop it immediately. I didn't realize I was giving the impression that the US's part in it is justifiable under Biden and I apologize for that if that's the case. The point where we differ in view is that you seem to think that Trump will be any better than Biden in his treatment of Palestine (I believe he'll be even worse) or that, as unfortunate as it is, there is any other person besides one of these two that will be president in 2025. That is all I'm saying. I don't love it either, but this is the reality we live in.
Hephaestus Posted May 22 Posted May 22 1 hour ago, Thesedays said: I love that the best criticism liberals can offer to Biden, who is enabling genocide, is that he is "far from perfect." "Yes, a genocide... well, that's far from perfect, right? But..." I don't get how you people can be so detached from actual human suffering while trying to convince us we're the baddies. From what I see from your previous posts, we appear to be on the same page regarding Palestine, meaning that both candidates do not give a f*ck about it (although I'd argue Trump would be far worse but that's a different discussion). If that's the case, shouldn't the focus shift on what either candidate is gonna do to the people in their country? I know it's simplistic and not the ideal scenario to base who to vote for, but that's the reality of the situation and between someone who'll maintain the status quo, for better or for worse, and someone who'd go out of its way to make things worse (even for a portion of his citizens), honestly I'd always go with the former. On top of that, voting for Biden might not stop the genocide, but making Trump win will for sure accelerate Palestinians' departure. That's what I'm concerned about, because time and countries slowly turning against Israel might be the only way Palestinians get out of this alive. Once again, this is not ideal, but at some point one has to choose whether to base their vote on ideals or on what will actually have an impact on people's lives, both in their country and in the rest of the world.
GraceRandolph Posted May 22 Posted May 22 1 hour ago, Hephaestus said: From what I see from your previous posts, we appear to be on the same page regarding Palestine, meaning that both candidates do not give a f*ck about it (although I'd argue Trump would be far worse but that's a different discussion). If that's the case, shouldn't the focus shift on what either candidate is gonna do to the people in their country? I know it's simplistic and not the ideal scenario to base who to vote for, but that's the reality of the situation and between someone who'll maintain the status quo, for better or for worse, and someone who'd go out of its way to make things worse (even for a portion of his citizens), honestly I'd always go with the former. On top of that, voting for Biden might not stop the genocide, but making Trump win will for sure accelerate Palestinians' departure. That's what I'm concerned about, because time and countries slowly turning against Israel might be the only way Palestinians get out of this alive. Once again, this is not ideal, but at some point one has to choose whether to base their vote on ideals or on what will actually have an impact on people's lives, both in their country and in the rest of the world. The bigger question is WHY don't we have a choice that is better for Palestine, and should we accept that?
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