delehe Posted May 14 Posted May 14 Hi ya'll, 1st post to say Maroon 5. Their debut was something wonderful. Then we ended up with songs like Moves Like Jagger and Sugar 10 1
SharGaga Posted May 14 Posted May 14 Katy Perry. When you can't evolve as an artist it's called being a sell out. It's predictable yet unfortunate that people would mention Gaga but it's okay. All Gaga did was adapt as an artist and worked hard to get recognized for her talent. If that's a sell out then so be it. The haters will use her name every chance they get until she releases LG7 and until Joker 2 comes out because they know they will be SILENT and hiding in their basements once the acclaim rolls in. 1 5 1
swissman Posted May 14 Posted May 14 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Santhosh said: This could be said of beyonce too examples that aren't remixes on other people's songs? Edited May 14 by swissman
Devin Posted May 14 Posted May 14 19 minutes ago, Santhosh said: This could be said of beyonce too bey does collabs w/ modern artists but 90% of the time she never push them as singles or give it mainstream attention (ii most wanted being only factor in recent time, even then she barely shows interest in that ). whereas songs like rain on me, fortnight, even karma remix were already set up with the intent of them being commercial hit singles. reason why theres a slight difference imo. 1
Santhosh Posted May 14 Posted May 14 10 minutes ago, Devin said: bey does collabs w/ modern artists but 90% of the time she never push them as singles or give it mainstream attention (ii most wanted being only factor in recent time, even then she barely shows interest in that ). Dude She literally jumped on already trending hit songs and just because she refused to give them attention doesn't make them any less of others. BTW I didn't disagree with you opinion gaga and taylor. 3
KingWitch Posted May 14 Posted May 14 Katy Perry aka Katy Hudson, she started by doing Christian music and when that didn't work out she switched to pop for the cash grab 1 1
swissman Posted May 14 Posted May 14 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Santhosh said: Dude She literally jumped on already trending hit songs and just because she refused to give them attention doesn't make them any less of others. BTW I didn't disagree with you opinion gaga and taylor. I'd say refusing to give them attention does make them less of a sellout move though. Because how could "jumping on an already trending hit song" and performing it everywhere, doing interviews about it, filming a music video, etc. be the same as "jumping on an already trending hit song" and then barely acknowledging it? They are not the same in regards to the intention to make it "sell out" so how could they be considered the same level of "selling out"? To be a sell out, you need to be compromising your artistic or personal values. If Beyoncé's values are that she is generally committed to letting the music/her work speak for itself, no amount of "jumping on trending hit songs" is going to compromise that value if she continues to do just that. Furthermore, none of the three remixes she "jumped on" were cheap or poor quality. She maintained her reputation for artistry across all, even going so far as to transform two of the three remixes into basically new compositions (Savage is very much re-worked, and on Perfect it was she who stripped the song down to acoustic guitar. She didn't have to water down who she is in order to gain success with the remixes. She maintained her way throughout.) And if your "sell out moments" are just literally remixes you barely acknowledge, and rarely if ever on your OWN albums, are you really a sell out? Edited May 14 by swissman
ithinkheknowsoutsold Posted May 14 Posted May 14 Ellie Goulding immediately came to mind. She started out as a precocious indie-folktronica singer-songwriter. She was in with the BBC Sound of Music and PopJustice crowd, people who were looking for forward-thinking and intelligent pop music. She wrote all her own songs, she worked with fellow debutantes like Frakmusik, Starsmith, and Diana Vickers, and she played instruments like the acoustic guitar, drums, and piano. Her lyrics were abstract and the instrumentation on her work was a mix of folksy sounds and electronic elements. She was still very accessible to a mainstream audience, but she had her own sound and image, so she found a lot of commercial success. This direction was continued with Halcyon. Whilst Ellie thought of it as poppier compared to her debut, to most audiences it felt more experimental and darker than its predecessor. This was reflected in its commercial reception, which was a lot more muted than that of Lights. Ellie therefore switched lanes to go into a more commercial lane for Halcyon Days. She began working with American hitmakers like Ryan Tedder, Greg Kurstin, and Bonnie McKee instead of people from the British indie scene, the new songs took on a more EDM-influenced, festival-friendly sound, and the lyrics got simpler. Her image was shaken up, she lost weight, began dressing more fashionably, and cut her hair. She became a tabloid fixture owing to her relationships with people like Skrillex and Ed Sheeran, and she joined Taylor Swift's girl squad. Her transformation was completed with the release of Love Me Like You Do. This was a big, bombastic electropop song that represented none of the wide-eyed innocence or wonderful weirdness that characterised the music that introduced Ellie to the public. It was the first instance of her singing an original song she had no hand in writing, and its association with the 50 Shades soundtrack showcased how commercialised Ellie had become, now being the face of a billion dollar film franchise. Her next album, Delirium, was therefore understood to be a full on sellout project even before its release. Gone were the unknown producers and songwriters she worked with on her earlier music, now she was writing with Max Martin and co. She was topless for the album's cover, her image was increasingly glamorous and sophisticated, and there was an air of sultriness throughout the album. Ellie Goulding was a full sellout now. 10 1
Siberian Tiger Posted May 14 Posted May 14 57 minutes ago, delehe said: Hi ya'll, 1st post to say Maroon 5. Their debut was something wonderful. Then we ended up with songs like Moves Like Jagger and Sugar I am shocked they're only mentioned on the second page, the epitome of a sellout. 1
Headlock Posted May 14 Posted May 14 1 hour ago, swissman said: examples that aren't remixes on other people's songs? Video Phone, also remixes of other people's songs also counts This is all made up criteria anyways, but at least be consistent with it
toxicgenie Posted May 14 Posted May 14 18 minutes ago, swissman said: I'd say refusing to give them attention does make them less of a sellout move though. Because how could "jumping on an already trending hit song" and performing it everywhere, doing interviews about it, filming a music video, etc. be the same as "jumping on an already trending hit song" and then barely acknowledging it? They are not the same in regards to the intention to make it "sell out" so how could they be considered the same level of "selling out"? To be a sell out, you need to be compromising your artistic or personal values. If Beyoncé's values are that she is generally committed to letting the music/her work speak for itself, no amount of "jumping on trending hit songs" is going to compromise that value if she continues to do just that. Furthermore, none of the three remixes she "jumped on" were cheap or poor quality. She maintained her reputation for artistry across all, even going so far as to transform two of the three remixes into basically new compositions (Savage is very much re-worked, and on Perfect it was she who stripped the song down to acoustic guitar. She didn't have to water down who she is in order to gain success with the remixes. She maintained her way throughout.) And if your "sell out moments" are just literally remixes you barely acknowledge, and rarely if ever on your OWN albums, are you really a sell out? Yes, it does. She jumped on hit songs because she wanted a hit. She flopped a lot around that time. It would be like Katy jumping on hit songs now to get a hit. It's embarrassing when veterans do it. (It would be different if she jumped on flopping songs and made them hits with her involvement.)
Sonny Posted May 14 Posted May 14 1 hour ago, AbeHicks said: Gaga is the biggest one. She said "i am an artist not a celebrity", and that she wants to date real men not actors, and then became everything she used to say she is not. And then she became an even more shameful life form: an avon lady corporate cashcow, who pushes things like luxury watches, oreos, medication and champagne . And no album in 4 years. I still love her music but she is definitely the worst of the worst. Nnnn y'all always use those examples of things she said when she was in her early 20's, she's pushing 40 now. 1 1
Gesamtkunstwerk Posted May 14 Posted May 14 Coldplay - Went pop for the money Maroon 5 - Went pop for the money Taylor Swift - Went pop for the money Lady Gaga - I mean Snoop Dogg - NFT albums, would drop a verse on your struggle beat if you just pay him enough, but idk he's about the money so Gesaffelstein - Ran to The Weeknd and Pharrell for a mainstream pop hit, but flopped Black Eyed Peas - Went EDM pop for the money, career bombed hard after that LMFAO - Not that they were good to begin with, but they started to cater to 12 year olds with Party Rock Anthem, made extremely raunchy and trashy Jersey Shore type club music before that Kanye - Became a right wing grifter
swissman Posted May 14 Posted May 14 (edited) 32 minutes ago, toxicgenie said: Yes, it does. She jumped on hit songs because she wanted a hit. She flopped a lot around that time. It would be like Katy jumping on hit songs now to get a hit. It's embarrassing when veterans do it. (It would be different if she jumped on flopping songs and made them hits with her involvement.) Untrue. Two of those three remixes were charity singles (meant to sell, sure...to benefit a cause), and the third one (Perfect) was recorded long before the song was even named as a single. As well, just to point out, at the time of the remix's release neither Mi Gente nor Savage had peaked higher than some of Beyoncé's "flops" from that time (APESHIT, Sorry, Hold Up). If we allow that these remixes were not created the same day they were released, that means each song was probably charting even lower at the time of Beyoncé "jumping on those hits". This thread is also about artists that became sellouts. Doing something that you consider a sell out move is not becoming a sell out entirely, especially when interspersed between these remixes she was "flopping" as you say with projects for which she did very little to attempt to "sell" her work whatsoever. And even when it came time for her new solo album (RENAISSANCE) she announced her lead single via an IG bio, released it on a Monday evening, and still has not put out a music video for it or filmed a televised performance. Which is basically the same kind of "selling factor" she had been consistently giving her singles since 2013. That's certainly not sell out behaviour. But sure, she did three remixes all those years ago thus she's a sell out and she compromised her artistic values despite continuing and even doubling down on them in the two albums that were released after. Edited May 14 by swissman
Reflektor_Creep Posted May 14 Posted May 14 Coldplay, with Viva La Vida copied the style of Arcade Fire, then they followed the edm trend, until they ended up in their last album collaborating with BTS. Besides, their last tours are too similar. I can understand that they are a band, but they should also innovate in their stage like U2, Muse, Arcade Fire, Rammstein. 1
swissman Posted May 14 Posted May 14 (edited) 31 minutes ago, toxicgenie said: Yes, it does. She jumped on hit songs because she wanted a hit. She flopped a lot around that time. It would be like Katy jumping on hit songs now to get a hit. It's embarrassing when veterans do it. (It would be different if she jumped on flopping songs and made them hits with her involvement.) Also it would not be like Katy jumping on hit songs not to get a hit because Katy does not at all take the same approach that Beyoncé does to her music whatsoever. Katy would never not promote her own work. Katy hasn't even officially announced a new album and she's already teasing in various ways including literally doing so herself. She's very much more of a commercially-minded artist, and her success and importance has been far more aligned to having or not having hits than Beyoncé ever has been, even in her commercial heyday when Beyoncé very effortlessly got hits. Edited May 14 by swissman
Santhosh Posted May 14 Posted May 14 1 hour ago, swissman said: examples that aren't remixes on other people's songs? 1 hour ago, swissman said: I'd say refusing to give them attention does make them less of a sellout move though. Because how could "jumping on an already trending hit song" and performing it everywhere, doing interviews about it, filming a music video, etc. be the same as "jumping on an already trending hit song" and then barely acknowledging it? They are not the same in regards to the intention to make it "sell out" so how could they be considered the same level of "selling out"? To be a sell out, you need to be compromising your artistic or personal values. If Beyoncé's values are that she is generally committed to letting the music/her work speak for itself, no amount of "jumping on trending hit songs" is going to compromise that value if she continues to do just that. Furthermore, none of the three remixes she "jumped on" were cheap or poor quality. She maintained her reputation for artistry across all, even going so far as to transform two of the three remixes into basically new compositions (Savage is very much re-worked, and on Perfect it was she who stripped the song down to acoustic guitar. She didn't have to water down who she is in order to gain success with the remixes. She maintained her way throughout.) And if your "sell out moments" are just literally remixes you barely acknowledge, and rarely if ever on your OWN albums, are you really a sell out?
swissman Posted May 14 Posted May 14 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Santhosh said: not really. you're trying to make three paltry remixes that aren't even regarded as her signature songs, her important hits, or even the FIRST thing you think about when you think about Beyoncé between 2017-2020 into receipts for her "becoming a sellout"...and yet she's currently promoting her new album that's 1.5 months old by uploading OOTD collages. Edited May 14 by swissman
aesthetic bih Posted May 14 Posted May 14 2 hours ago, AbeHicks said: Gaga is the biggest one. She said "i am an artist not a celebrity", and that she wants to date real men not actors, and then became everything she used to say she is not. And then she became an even more shameful life form: an avon lady corporate cashcow, who pushes things like luxury watches, oreos, medication and champagne . And no album in 4 years. I still love her music but she is definitely the worst of the worst. I love Gags, but this is painfully true. I once saw an interview of her promoting her perfume saying she "doesn't like to promote/sell random **** that is not music". Oh, that Gaga would gag at the new Gaga for real 5
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