Kimbra Posted May 14 Author Posted May 14 23 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said: All narratives in all of art have been done to death. It is the year 2024 and music and art have been a thing since before Christ. That's literally what PSALMS is about lmfao. You cannot, physically, create a completely unique approach to art. And if it's done better or not is subjective as such is the nature of art. You're moving the goalposts because you do not want to admit you're wrong. You couldn't even properly Google what he had said about Sign of the Times to make your argument. I write paragraphs because I back up what I say and I actually have solid arguments. You have "vibes." You can't even say what he's cosplaying aside from taking obvious inspiration in some outfits, which he fully credits. What other part of his art is a cosplay of another great artist? His stage design? No. His sound and music? Absolutely not. He sounds like current pop music with some subtle touches of 80s and 70s, but nothing specific to any artist. His stage interactions? No. His interviews? No. His lifestyle? No. His street style? No. Most of his stage outfits? No. His music videos? No. His photoshoots? No. Another Man was partly an homage to Mick Jagger, but other than that absolutely not. Especially not his album art. His album rollouts? No. His social media? No. Back up your arguments. He adds nothing to the legacy of the artists he's inspired by. There is nothing wrong with relying on inspiration. Artsts like Gaga, Beyoncé and the majority of hip-hop do it. But they still manage to have unique artistic narratives. Harry doesn't. No amount of hyperbolic philosophizing from the media changes that. Instead of using his inspiration to give himself shape as an artist he stiches it on. I'm a fan of Harry. I literally traveled from Trinidad to NYC to see him on every tour. I risked getting covid to see him. I honestly not trying to be malicious. 3 1
More Than A Melody Posted May 14 Posted May 14 (edited) 7 minutes ago, ithinkheknowsoutsold said: The same applies to you. People can like Harry Styles and that is great, but people can also not like him and that is equally as valid. You mention that you got into 1D when you were a teenager, so I'm assuming you must be pushing 30 by now. If so, it is very weird to me that you feel entitled to writing these long paragraphs making people feel stupid for not liking Harry Styles. If you feel that his success validates your taste in music and that anyone having even a slightly negative opinion of him must be immediately corrected and shut down, them I'm sorry but your supposed involvement in 'art' did not make you much better at enjoying/analysing it than the people you so loudly criticise here (which reads as very homophobic by the way, considering you're most likely a straight woman belittling members of a site full of queer people for their enjoying their niche tastes). Have a nice day and don't bother quoting this I don't expect everyone to like him. I'm not pushing against that, read again. I'm pushing against the idea that he has "no artistic narrative" because he absolutely does. You guys are just not even trying to scratch the surface, because this forum historically doesn't scratch the surface in general, with any artist. That's not what this forum is about. I don't think you have to feel "stupid" for not liking him. If you listen to his music and it's not for you, it doesn't require a deeper analysis. I don't like St. Vincent and that doesn't make me stupid. But I'm not going around saying that St. Vincent doesn't have [insert whatever excuse you want here] simpyl becaise I don't like her. I'm not correcting or shutting down negative opinions. I wouldn't be able to exist on this forum, y'all never liked him. Ever. I'm pushing against one specific idea, because this is a forum to debate. And I'm debating. I'm literally bisexual and have a girlfriend. Do not call me homophobic again simply because I hate the way white gay men engage with pop culture in general (which is generally misogynistic and racist). Your comment in and of itself is part of that, I must like Harry because I'm a straight girl and straight girls taste in music is shallow. That's literally where most of this entire debate stems from, btw. He's a conventionally attractive white man who makes pop music and has a lot of young female fans, so his music MUST be bland and uninteresting and manufactured and and and. It's the oldest stereotype in the world. Edited May 14 by More Than A Melody
More Than A Melody Posted May 14 Posted May 14 1 minute ago, Kimbra said: He adds nothing to the legacy of the artists he's inspired by. There is nothing wrong with relying on inspiration. Artsts like Gaga, Beyoncé and the majority of hip-hop do it. But they still manage to have unique artistic narratives. Harry doesn't. No amount of hyperbolic philosophizing from the media changes that. Instead of using his inspiration to give himself shape as an artist he stiches it on. I'm a fan of Harry. I literally traveled from Trinidad to NYC to see him on every tour. I risked getting covid to see him. I honestly not trying to be malicious. Failed, again, to name who he's allegedly cosplaying and why. Arguments, back them up. Until then, don't quote me again.
More Than A Melody Posted May 14 Posted May 14 1 minute ago, Mr. Duff said: What makes you think Adore You, Watermelon Sugar and As It Was are songs with artistic integrity over songs like Photograph, Happier, Thinking Out Loud? Ed may have chased hits but so is Harry. It's hypocritical to lean towards Ed "ditching" artistic integrity for hits while defending Harry's integrity. You can say a lot about Harry since you follow him closely but you can't compare him to others when you have no complete knowledge of their artistry. I too rest my case. Artistic integrity or artistic narrative? Those are two very different things. Harry explained the reason behind writing songs like Adore You and Watermelon Sugar, they're both part of his artistic narrative. He said he lost "the fear of pop" that was instilled in him by being part of a boyband like One Direction and thinking he had to make serious music in order to be taken seriously. Both songs are about the beginning stages of a very troubled relationship that's described beginning to end in Fine Line. Watermelon Sugar even time stamps it to the end of June, which is when he started seeing this person, whose favorite book was In Watermelon Sugar by Richard Brautigan. Watermelon Sugar's instrumental layers more and more instruments as the song progresses culminating in a climax. He uses the repetition of its lyrics on purpose because "it sounded like a mantra." Adore You ditches the typical bridge of a song for an instrumental bridge with a guitar solo, which is incredibly rare in today's music landscape. Both are pop songs which are meant to be pop songs and nothing deeper. Both are about the euphoria about meeting someone new and the feeling you get in that stage of a relationship. Yes, of course those songs are just pop songs. That's literally what I said. He lost the fear of pop and made unapologetically pop music. But he didn't borrow any demos, he wrote the melodies from scratch, used actual instruments in them, and tried to layer interesting vocals and instrumentals. It's poppy pop but done well. It has an artistic narrative because the entirety of Fine Line is a story from beginning to end. Songs like Adore You and Watermelon Sugar are about the new stages of a relationship. Canyon Moon is about the relationship being established. Golden is about the fear of losing said relationship, realizing the end is nigh. Fine Line is about the aftermath of the romantic relationship ending, but continuing to have a cycle with that person that's purely physical (going from "I know that you're scared because I'm so open" in Golden to "spreading you open is the only way of knowing you" in Fine Line). It's about the shallowness of a purely physical relationship with someone you still absolutely love. Falling is about the after-aftermath, meaning, what happens when you go home and spend the night alone after this physical relationship. How you feel cheap and used and like you don't even like yourself and what you're doing to yourself. To Be So Lonely is about quitting that dynamic and choosing yourself Cherry is about seeing that person move on while you're still stuck and miss them every day. And finally, Sunflower is about this dying relationship being seen as something positive after some time has passed, comparing the dying relationship with a sunflower, who has to die in order to give out seeds, which will eventually result in art. "Your flowers just died, plant new seeds in the melody" direct lyric from that song. To act like songs like Adore You and Watermelon Sugar don't have an artistic narrative because you didn't sit down and actually analyze the composition and lyrics is a you issue. Pop music, even if on the surface generic, can still have artistic narratives. Obviously the Ed Sheeran songs you named (perhaps not counting Thinking Out Loud, because Ed himself said it was done on purpose to become a very specific type of hit) have some sort of artistic narrative. But overall, the purpose of Multiply and Divide was commercial success. He said it, not me. Take it out with him. Ed Sheeran has artistic integrity, btw. I never claimed he didn't. 1
Kimbra Posted May 14 Author Posted May 14 4 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said: Failed, again, to name who he's allegedly cosplaying and why. Arguments, back them up. Until then, don't quote me again. Multiple users including myself named throughout the thread. What? Majority of his songs sound like The Strokes and Oasis demos. The second (my favorite album of his) was some Artic Monkey appropriations for the singles and The Man Who Sold the World and Hunky Dory cosplay for the album cuts. His third is literally watered down poppified Djesse Vol. 1.
More Than A Melody Posted May 14 Posted May 14 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Kimbra said: Multiple users including myself named throughout the thread. What? Majority of his songs sound like The Strokes and Oasis demos. The second (my favorite album of his) was some Artic Monkey appropriations for the singles and The Man Who Sold the World and Hunky Dory cosplay for the album cuts. His third is literally watered down poppified Djesse Vol. 1. The Strokes and Oasis demos has got to be a joke. What are you even talking about? He hasn't made rock music since HS1 and the inspiration for that album was absolutely not The Strokes or Oasis, at all. Most of its sounds were more reminiscent of the 70s and 80s (though I will admit that it was his most derivative work). I'm a certified lover of ArCtic Monkeys and he does not sound like them at all. Especially the singles, Lights Up sounds like Arctic Monkeys? Golden? Watermelon Sugar? Falling? Adore You? Name the Arctic Monkeys song that sounds like those Harry songs. I'll wait. The only song on Fine Line that could remotely sound like Arctic Monkeys is She, and it's not a sound that's specific to them at all. Are you thinking about a different artist? lol I was expecting you to actually name some of his inspiration, like maybe T. Rex or Bread or Wings. And then I'd have to actually argument that inspiration doesn't mean cosplaying. But you didn't even go for his actual inspiration, you just pulled names out of a hat. I'm not overly familiar with Jacob Collier, so I can't rebuke this one with knowledge, but this is the first time I ever hear anyone comparing the two, and considering the other comparisons you make, I'm starting to think you're deaf. Edited May 14 by More Than A Melody
Mr. Duff Posted May 14 Posted May 14 8 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said: Artistic integrity or artistic narrative? Those are two very different things. Harry explained the reason behind writing songs like Adore You and Watermelon Sugar, they're both part of his artistic narrative. He said he lost "the fear of pop" that was instilled in him by being part of a boyband like One Direction and thinking he had to make serious music in order to be taken seriously. Both songs are about the beginning stages of a very troubled relationship that's described beginning to end in Fine Line. Watermelon Sugar even time stamps it to the end of June, which is when he started seeing this person, whose favorite book was In Watermelon Sugar by Richard Brautigan. Watermelon Sugar's instrumental layers more and more instruments as the song progresses culminating in a climax. He uses the repetition of its lyrics on purpose because "it sounded like a mantra." Adore You ditches the typical bridge of a song for an instrumental bridge with a guitar solo, which is incredibly rare in today's music landscape. Both are pop songs which are meant to be pop songs and nothing deeper. Both are about the euphoria about meeting someone new and the feeling you get in that stage of a relationship. Yes, of course those songs are just pop songs. That's literally what I said. He lost the fear of pop and made unapologetically pop music. But he didn't borrow any demos, he wrote the melodies from scratch, used actual instruments in them, and tried to layer interesting vocals and instrumentals. It's poppy pop but done well. It has an artistic narrative because the entirety of Fine Line is a story from beginning to end. Songs like Adore You and Watermelon Sugar are about the new stages of a relationship. Canyon Moon is about the relationship being established. Golden is about the fear of losing said relationship, realizing the end is nigh. Fine Line is about the aftermath of the romantic relationship ending, but continuing to have a cycle with that person that's purely physical (going from "I know that you're scared because I'm so open" in Golden to "spreading you open is the only way of knowing you" in Fine Line). It's about the shallowness of a purely physical relationship with someone you still absolutely love. Falling is about the after-aftermath, meaning, what happens when you go home and spend the night alone after this physical relationship. How you feel cheap and used and like you don't even like yourself and what you're doing to yourself. To Be So Lonely is about quitting that dynamic and choosing yourself Cherry is about seeing that person move on while you're still stuck and miss them every day. And finally, Sunflower is about this dying relationship being seen as something positive after some time has passed, comparing the dying relationship with a sunflower, who has to die in order to give out seeds, which will eventually result in art. "Your flowers just died, plant new seeds in the melody" direct lyric from that song. To act like songs like Adore You and Watermelon Sugar don't have an artistic narrative because you didn't sit down and actually analyze the composition and lyrics is a you issue. Pop music, even if on the surface generic, can still have artistic narratives. Obviously the Ed Sheeran songs you named (perhaps not counting Thinking Out Loud, because Ed himself said it was done on purpose to become a very specific type of hit) have some sort of artistic narrative. But overall, the purpose of Multiply and Divide was commercial success. He said it, not me. Take it out with him. Ed Sheeran has artistic integrity, btw. I never claimed he didn't. To make it short, both have artistic integrity, and also created their albums for commercial success. You can't say Thinking Out Loud has no artistic narrative and claim that Adore You and Watermelon Sugar have. That's just really close-minded. And you can't say Harry's House or Fine Line weren't created to have commercial success as well. They may have the narrative (based on your essays) but you can't deny Harry chased the hits too. If you still disagree then you're too blinded by your bias.
Kimbra Posted May 14 Author Posted May 14 5 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said: The Strokes and Oasis demos has got to be a joke. What are you even talking about? He hasn't made rock music since HS1 and the inspiration for that album was absolutely not The Strokes or Oasis, at all. Most of its sounds were more reminiscent of the 70s and 80s (though I will admit that it was his most derivative work). I'm a certified lover of ArCtic Monkeys and he does not sound like them at all. Especially the singles, Lights Up sounds like Arctic Monkeys? Golden? Watermelon Sugar? Falling? Adore You? Name the Arctic Monkeys song that sounds like those Harry songs. I'll wait. The only song on Fine Line that could remotely sound like Arctic Monkeys is She, and it's not a sound that's specific to them at all. Are you thinking about a different artist? lol I was expecting you to actually name some of his inspiration, like maybe T. Rex or Bread or Wings. And then I'd have to actually argument that inspiration doesn't mean cosplaying. But you didn't even go for his actual inspiration, you just pulled names out of a hat. I'm not overly familiar with Jacob Collier, so I can't rebuke this one with knowledge, but this is the first time I ever hear anyone comparing the two, and considering the other comparisons you make, I'm starting to think you're deaf. What do you mean the singles from Fine Line sound nothing like Arctic Monkeys? They were the only ones to incorporate blues/funk-rock with hand clap gospel percussion since the 80's. It's no surprise he started to dress the way he did in 2013-14 after AM came out and Alex Turner's style change.
dirrtydiana Posted May 14 Posted May 14 2 hours ago, More Than A Melody said: Nobody compared him to Beyoncé. All I said is that this forum is musically illiterate and they think they try to drag artists who actually have artistic integrity on basis that make absolutely no sense. It happens to multiple artists - I see it done on this very thread to Bruno Mars, who's one of the most compelling artists musically, vocally, vision-wise, and even dancing-wise, and the OP reduced him to "even Bruno Mars..." as if he wasn't one of the most complete and concise artists of his generation. Saying that mentioning names together is comparing is simply not understanding what the word "compare" means. There's no comparison between Harry and Beyoncé because they're two completely different artists on two completely different lanes that do completely different things. They just happen to be two artists that ATRL loves to dismiss because you are artistically illiterate. "No one has noticed" and he trends on Twitter every single day. He had articles written about not going to the Met Gala and how he was missing on every single massive media outlet (including Vogue and GQ) just last week. He has viral TikToks every single day. Every "insider" claims he's about to come out with music on a weekly basis, since last year, which they obviously do because fans are begging him to come back and the engagement they get when they mention him is so high. Saying "no one has noticed" as a Zayn stan is pretty funny, I'll give you that. I already gave an answer about his artistic narrative. I think the problem here is: 1. You guys have no idea what "artistic narrative is" since someone described it as "girlhood" and "blackness" and other people are talking about sound, and others are talking about being a throwback act 2. You guys have never in your life sat down to actually listen to music, aside from what bops and what doesn't. I just had someone tell me that Harry, who described EXACTLY what Sign of the Times is about, doesn't know what the song is about. The reason? They never went beyond the first Google result. This isn't a conversation to have on this forum, because the answer to a thoughtful response is "ThE eSsAys" or "omg copypasta." once again you failed to give an answer to what you claim his supposed artistic narrative is. you once again name him with actual artists like beyonce and bruno mars when harry does not at all belong in their league. mono culture is gone so your twitter trends (which twitter is also gone) means nothing in a bigger scale. no one has felt nor noticed his absence in the musical or celebrity fields as he adds nothing to either. zayn has absolutely nothing to do with this conversation. and you don't know what i listen to so don't make wrong assumptions. 3
More Than A Melody Posted May 14 Posted May 14 4 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said: once again you failed to give an answer to what you claim his supposed artistic narrative is. you once again name him with actual artists like beyonce and bruno mars when harry does not at all belong in their league. mono culture is gone so your twitter trends (which twitter is also gone) means nothing in a bigger scale. no one has felt nor noticed his absence in the musical or celebrity fields as he adds nothing to either. zayn has absolutely nothing to do with this conversation. and you don't know what i listen to so don't make wrong assumptions. I gave essays on what his artistic narrative is. Just not to you personally. Read the other replies, I don't have to answer to you specifically. Zayn has everything to do with this conversation, with you, because the only reason you're here is that you hate Harry because you're a Zayn stan. It's clownish to say that nobody misses Harry while being a fan of Zayn. Check yourself.
More Than A Melody Posted May 14 Posted May 14 8 minutes ago, Kimbra said: What do you mean the singles from Fine Line sound nothing like Arctic Monkeys? They were the only ones to incorporate blues/funk-rock with hand clap gospel percussion since the 80's. It's no surprise he started to dress the way he did in 2013-14 after AM came out and Alex Turner's style change. The singles from Fine Line sound ABSOLUTELY nothing like Arctic Monkeys. No song from Arctic Monkeys sounds anything like Lights Up, Adore You, Watermelon Sugar, or Falling. You're the first and last person I've ever heard say that. None of these songs are blues, hand clap gospel percussion. Are you actually deaf? Funk-rock would only apply to Adore You and still sounds nothing like Arctic Monkeys. Alex Turner in 2013-2014 dressed in all leather with slicked back hair like a greaser from the 80s and wore sunglasses on stage. When has Harry EVER dressed that way? I'm starting to think you're trolling.
More Than A Melody Posted May 14 Posted May 14 19 minutes ago, Mr. Duff said: To make it short, both have artistic integrity, and also created their albums for commercial success. You can't say Thinking Out Loud has no artistic narrative and claim that Adore You and Watermelon Sugar have. That's just really close-minded. And you can't say Harry's House or Fine Line weren't created to have commercial success as well. They may have the narrative (based on your essays) but you can't deny Harry chased the hits too. If you still disagree then you're too blinded by your bias. All artists want to have hits and be commercially successful, but if it's the primary motivation or not is a completely different story. What Harry said about Fine Line: "if you chase success and fail you'll regret making that music and have nothing. You have to make the album you want to make, and if it's a success it's a bonus." What Ed Sheeran said about Multiply and Divide: "I chased commercial success because I wanted to be the biggest artist in the world." Ed Sheeran released an album comprised solely of collaborations. Harry has never collaborated in his life. They are different artists with different goals and different approaches. They're also friends and have been since before either of them were famous. 1
Kimbra Posted May 14 Author Posted May 14 14 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said: The singles from Fine Line sound ABSOLUTELY nothing like Arctic Monkeys. No song from Arctic Monkeys sounds anything like Lights Up, Adore You, Watermelon Sugar, or Falling. You're the first and last person I've ever heard say that. None of these songs are blues, hand clap gospel percussion. Are you actually deaf? Funk-rock would only apply to Adore You and still sounds nothing like Arctic Monkeys. Alex Turner in 2013-2014 dressed in all leather with slicked back hair like a greaser from the 80s and wore sunglasses on stage. When has Harry EVER dressed that way? I'm starting to think you're trolling. Do you know anything about soundscapes? The FL singles and te AM are literally from the soundscape equation that Alex Turner pulled from. I literally spelled it out for you. "blues/funk-rock with hand clap gospel" Led Zeppelin did this to great success in the late 70's/early 80's and they took inspo from black american rock bands/acts who were the inspiration for AM. Same with fashion the have satorial-scapes and trends .Harry adopted an accessible grunge/greaser style around that time as the AM era with all the Hedi Slimane YSL he wore
More Than A Melody Posted May 14 Posted May 14 1 minute ago, Kimbra said: Do you know anything about soundscapes? The FL singles and te AM are literally from the soundscape equation that Alex Turner pulled from. I literally spelled it out for you. "blues/funk-rock with hand clap gospel" Led Zeppelin did this to great success in the late 70's/early 80's and they took inspo from black american rock bands/acts who were the inspiration for AM. Same with fashion the have satorial-scapes and trends .Harry adopted an accessible grunge/greaser style around that time as the AM era with all the Hedi Slimane YSL he wore You're absolutely projecting. The FL singles and the AM singles sound nothing alike. Nobody before you has ever claimed that and nobody ever will. This is certifiably nuts. I obviously cannot prove a negative, but all you have to do is listen to the music. To claim that Watermelon Sugar and Adore You, the biggest singles of the era sound ANYTHING like anything Arctic Monkeys has ever put out is literally the most insane BS I've ever heard. I told you what his inspiration was. T. Rex, Bread, Wings. You can add Otis Redding, or Labi Siffre (there's some Labi Siffre in Golden, for instance). Some Funkadelic. But every single artist takes inspiration from other artists. Thus is life. Harry cited his inspiration, he gave hour long interviews where he just talked about music. The man lives and breathes music. Just because you cannot go back to before 2013 or incredibly mainstream names like David Bowie (who he sounds absolutely nothing like, as many many people have pointed out in this very thread) doesn't mean that he can't either (or me, for that matter). It's possible that Arctic Monkeys took inspiration from the same era of music so that's where you hear the similarity but even that is an incredibly benevolent interpretation of what you're claiming as I personally hear no similarities and I've never heard anyone else claim that. If you want to listen to the man geek out about music for an hour, here you go. That interview is a couple of months after Fine Line came out. That's his inspiration, which is absolutely not cosplaying because he names about a gazillion different bands and artists all from different eras and different sounds. From Etta James to Alessi Brothers. From Yes to Simon & Garfunkel. But yes, OF COURSE he takes inspiration from older artists. Everyone does. Art is a tapestry of art from before. So did Arctic Monkeys, btw... Inspiration is not cosplay. And he's certainly not cosplaying Arctic Monkeys or David Bowie, two artists he sounds nothing like. Whether he did it better or worse is subjective and not for you and I to decide, given the fact that he's incredibly popular, has his own large fanbase, and has received numerous accolades and critical acclaim, I would say you're wrong in your assessment, objectively speaking, but you're allowed your own opinion.
everyhappily2 Posted May 14 Posted May 14 oh sis. u don't don't need proof to say that harry is the best. if you are a fan of harry, he would be the best artist for you forever no matter what. learn to see things in different perspective. here no one is saying he is unsuccessful or not a good artist. everyone has different opinion on what it takes to be a good artist. I'm not into his music that much after the song "sign of the time". listened to his other songs bt not found him unique tbh maybe because i'm more into lyrics and particularly melody and music production that are unique and not repetitive. harry never got the time for himself to truly show his artistic narrative on his work and it is because of how the music industry is portraying him through his music and other work. he got the charisma bt he needs get away from some Hollywood agreement stuff he is into since the 1D days. i see him expressing himself well in the country genre. i think his vocal will suit that genre and would be interesting to see what he does there. 4 1
Kimbra Posted May 14 Author Posted May 14 27 minutes ago, everyhappily2 said: harry never got the time for himself to truly show his artistic narrative on his work and it is because of how the music industry is portraying him through his music and other work. he got the charisma bt he needs get away from some Hollywood agreement stuff he is into since the 1D days. Everyone is trying to explain this to @More Than A Melody all throughout the thread but they are insistent on not getting it. I even laid it out in the first post. Quote Since 2017 with his debut album it's like we've seen the finish line with him from the start The Next Bowie/Jagger and the machine pushed it but the journey to there has been denied to us so it rings a bit hollow.
everyhappily2 Posted May 14 Posted May 14 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Kimbra said: Everyone is trying to explain this to @More Than A Melody all throughout the thread but they are insistent on not getting it. I even laid it out in the first post. i thought his stage presence was kinda like elvis presley. i might be wrong bt might need to watch some harry live performance. never heard of Bowie though. edit: can't comment on it overall just by short googling. bt fashion style seems similar to me. Edited May 14 by everyhappily2 1
Rose Posted May 14 Posted May 14 I used to regularly read his concert reviews and someone (I think after the Paris or Belgium show) wrote that he could have not sang a single note and the fans would have been there regardless. Basically, his fans aren't fans because of his music. No Harry Styles fan is dying to hear his next album. They may be missing him but that's a different thing.
Bussea Posted May 14 Posted May 14 okay. i'll text him and let him know you think this. he asked about you the other day.
More Than A Melody Posted May 14 Posted May 14 32 minutes ago, Kimbra said: Everyone is trying to explain this to @More Than A Melody all throughout the thread but they are insistent on not getting it. I even laid it out in the first post. Are you talking to yourself with a sock account? lol You didn't lay out anything. You claimed that his inspiration was Arctic Monkeys on songs that sound nothing like Arctic Monkeys. I linked you what his actual inspiration is, from his own words, and you're now deflecting because you have no recourse to answering actual arguments. You claimed that he couldn't explain what his own song was about and used a random out of context quote as an argument, ignoring the explanation that's even laid out on his Wikipedia. You also claimed that because he wore YSL he was cosplaying Alex Turner's grunge/greaser era from 2013. This is Harry Styles in YSL Spoiler Much grunge, very graser. LMAO. This is What Alex Turner looked like in 2013 Spoiler Like, do you have eyes? And ears? Are you trying to gaslight me or yourself? They're not even wearing a similar style of boots/pants. Harry wore Chelsea boots with skinny jeans and Alex wore jodhpur boots with straight jeans, often paired with a leather jacket (an item of clothing Harry has never really worn, regretfully). Do you think everyone who was wearing YSL in the early 2010s was cosplaying Alex Turner? Even if they wore it in dramatically different ways? Did he trademark YSL? YSL's Hedi Slimane was legendary and trendy. Are you an Alex Turner fanboy who thinks everything and everyone is trying to cosplay him? I'll admit I'm a huge fan of all their projects (sans the last two), but this is embarrassing. I think Harry has never mentioned liking Arctic Monkeys, and he has absolutely no issues admitting when he admires an artist or is inspired by one, considering he's dropped about fifty thousand different names and has literal hours-long playlists with his inspo. We can argue back and forth about subjective stuff and I find that sort of conversation interesting. But you are objectively wrong about this specific thing. Which does make me question your overall judgment.
More Than A Melody Posted May 14 Posted May 14 12 minutes ago, Rose said: I used to regularly read his concert reviews and someone (I think after the Paris or Belgium show) wrote that he could have not sang a single note and the fans would have been there regardless. Basically, his fans aren't fans because of his music. No Harry Styles fan is dying to hear his next album. They may be missing him but that's a different thing. You liked him for his looks and you stopped liking him when he stopped catering to them specifically, which is exactly what you have claimed now numerous times. So you're projecting on people you've never met your own habits of pop culture consumption. Just because you're shallow doesn't mean everyone else is.
BrokenMachine Posted May 14 Posted May 14 His artistic narrative is being a pretty white boy who had teenage girls lusting for him His debut was actually nice and showed some artistry from him, but his follow was being in full sell out mode making the most radio fodder music ever, while also queerbating for his teenage girl stans who couldn't get over the 1D gay fanfics 1 1
Rose Posted May 14 Posted May 14 11 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said: You liked him for his looks and you stopped liking him when he stopped catering to them specifically, which is exactly what you have claimed now numerous times. So you're projecting on people you've never met your own habits of pop culture consumption. Just because you're shallow doesn't mean everyone else is. The last leg of the tour he was always shirtless and flexing his muscles. I would say he was catering more than ever.
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