Onyxmage Posted May 11 Posted May 11 (edited) 2 hours ago, Taylena said: We know Republicans are evil and worse than Democrats in virtually all issues but that doesn't give blue MAGAs, such as yourself, the right to constantly deflect from the Dems many shortcomings or to act like being against genocide is a far-left stance because both major parties are complicit in supporting it. This November election should be a slam dunk for Democrats but we'll end up with another 4 years of Trump because the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians was simply more important for Biden. How can you go from people demanding from you healthcare and free tuition to the bar being so low that just ending the support of Israel would be enough but somehow still fumble the bag. You act like Biden could just do that without there being an insane political cost for him "ending" his support of Israel. Any US president would be in a tough position. The next US president will be in the same position. if its Trump he'll probably just send double the weapons to Israel and make a joke about it. Edited May 11 by Onyxmage 1
bad guy Posted May 11 Posted May 11 They can't edit him live in front of millions so back to the edited tapings from the bunker! 1
Taylena Posted May 11 Posted May 11 44 minutes ago, Onyxmage said: You act like Biden could just do that without there being an insane political cost for him "ending" his support of Israel. Any US president would be in a tough position. The next US president will be in the same position. if its Trump he'll probably just send double the weapons to Israel and make a joke about it. Biden's compliance with all of Israel's requests for more weapons did not prevent Republicans, FOX News, and Israeli officials from somehow accusing him of being "pro-Hamas", so what exactly would Biden be losing by saying enough is enough to Israel? Why do you believe there is a political cost if Biden fails to secure the backing of extremists on the right who dehumanize Palestinians and thirst for more blood spilled, but losing the support of young and left-leaning voters is deemed acceptable? 1
Onyxmage Posted May 11 Posted May 11 2 hours ago, Taylena said: Biden's compliance with all of Israel's requests for more weapons did not prevent Republicans, FOX News, and Israeli officials from somehow accusing him of being "pro-Hamas", so what exactly would Biden be losing by saying enough is enough to Israel? Why do you believe there is a political cost if Biden fails to secure the backing of extremists on the right who dehumanize Palestinians and thirst for more blood spilled, but losing the support of young and left-leaning voters is deemed acceptable? Because a LOT of Americans still support Israel. How can you not see this? Im not even saying I agree with his decisions Im just saying that either way he will get backlash from either side. Will he end up completely cutting off Israel? Its hard to tell but all signs so far say no. I will say that Netanyahu is being extremely defiant and stubborn and it actually may lead to a lot less support from the US. I guess we'll have to see.
beautiful player Posted May 11 Posted May 11 6 hours ago, monologueNacafe said: Democrats are not Republicans' constituents Yes, they are If they're voted to office they're still your elected representative whether or not you have the same party affiliation The left's total paralysis and cowardice when it comes to lobbying Republican officials is what continues to legitimise & prop up right-wing views. 1 1
Marianah Adkins Posted May 11 Posted May 11 Lord this is giving 1968 Dem Convention riots all over again, in the same city of Chicago. The Democrats are about to have another rapture.
Cesar Posted May 11 Posted May 11 the mental gymnastics the libs are doing to defend biden & the democratic party in here 2
monologueNacafe Posted May 11 Posted May 11 5 hours ago, beautiful player said: Yes, they are If they're voted to office they're still your elected representative whether or not you have the same party affiliation The left's total paralysis and cowardice when it comes to lobbying Republican officials is what continues to legitimise & prop up right-wing views. Constituents wasn't the right word choice but again the point was that they're not going to listen to anyone that's not voting for them anyway
Communion Posted May 11 Posted May 11 11 hours ago, Onyxmage said: You act like Biden could just do that without there being an insane political cost for him "ending" his support of Israel. Political cost amongst HIS voters (not Nikki Haley voters) or amongst the political class of donors, lobbyists, and CEOs of weapons manufacturers?
Communion Posted May 11 Posted May 11 8 hours ago, Onyxmage said: Because a LOT of Americans still support Israel. Not many who would ever consider voting for Joe Biden: Over half of his own voters think that what he is defending amounts to a genocide.
Communion Posted May 11 Posted May 11 (edited) 6 hours ago, beautiful player said: Yes, they are If they're voted to office they're still your elected representative whether or not you have the same party affiliation The left's total paralysis and cowardice when it comes to lobbying Republican officials is what continues to legitimise & prop up right-wing views. 1) Sis, I don't know why you're attempting this re-branding as some liberal Democrat given your previous permaban for espousing far-right views (posts that attacked refugees under the guise of "comedic trolling"), let alone, last I remember, you were an anti-migrant centrist posting from.. what as it, the Netherlands (?), not America. Odd you have no issue criticizing the Dutch left for your own goals (...less racial diversity?) yet feign outrage that American progressives take their issues with Democrats to *re-checks* Democrats. 2) This logic is incongruent given that Biden is using the powers granted to him as the executive and he is.. literally the only executive by virtue of being the President. Those who are protesting can both protest Biden as president and the Republicans (and Democrats) who are elected to both state and federal office in their state. The head of the Republican-controlled House was literally just protested during his attempt to visit Columbia University in support of Israel: Edited May 11 by Communion
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted May 11 ATRL Moderator Posted May 11 14 hours ago, Onyxmage said: You act like Biden could just do that without there being an insane political cost for him "ending" his support of Israel. Any US president would be in a tough position. The next US president will be in the same position. if it’s Trump he'll probably just send double the weapons to Israel and make a joke about it. Really? Let’s review the facts: The vast majority of Democrats want a permanent ceasefire. A strong majority of Independents want a permanent ceasefire. And a small (but noticeable) majority of Republicans want a permanent ceasefire. There is no political reason not to listen to voters. This is not a controversial policy decision. 2 1
chessguy99 Posted May 29 Posted May 29 1 hour ago, GraceRandolph said: This is due to Ohio law which states election ballots must be certified 90 days before the election. The Democrats fully knew this, but still scheduled their convention after the deadline. Normally the incumbent party schedules their convention two weeks after the other party. The Republican convention is the week of July 15th. This would normally make the Democrat convention the week of the 29th, and done just in time to make the Ohio ballot. But for some reason they waited a whole month. Efforts to make an exemption were tied up by Ohio Republicans wanting to tie the exemption to a ban on foreign donations to local ballot issues campaigns. 1
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