base talk Dr Luke added as songwriter on 4 songs from Planet Her

[Blue Rose]

4 minutes ago, masochizm said:

 

girl read the thread and think critically… why would she actively choose to hide his name when he already had credits on a handful of songs?

It's actually very simple. Because they knew a couple of songs wouldn't cause as much uproar.
do you really think that people can get writing credits willy nilly especially on big hits?  

[CottageHore]

I like Doja but if you can't see that this is likely because they had a contract where his writing credit could remain undisclosed for the first two years of release in order to avoid Doja getting backlash for having him on so many songs on the album, you're deluding yourself… 

[bearman]

4 minutes ago, Blue Rose said:

It's actually very simple. Because they knew a couple of songs wouldn't cause as much uproar.
do you really think that people can get writing credits willy nilly especially on big hits?  

Please go listen to Aint ****, Been Like This or Woman and tell me how any of these songs sound like something Dr. Luke might write. Need To Know sounds very Luke'd it's fact. He really does not need to ghost write any of the Doja songs.  

Edited April 28 by bearman

[masochizm]

12 minutes ago, Blue Rose said:

It's actually very simple. Because they knew a couple of songs wouldn't cause as much uproar.
do you really think that people can get writing credits willy nilly especially on big hits?  

not really when only stan twitter/atrl are truly aware, and even then they know doja was signed to luke pre kesha allegations 

 

doja has already been vocal about NOT knowing he had credits on a handful of songs which is common practice with writing credits so please 

 

either way he's a horrible man and why are we yet again pitching the blame on a woman who signed a contract at 16…

Edited April 28 by masochizm

[Alex]

the fact Doja herself said she had doubts about his "contribution" and if he had anything to do with certain songs that have him credited in that Rolling Stone piece says enough lmfao. Certain users can keep trying it but even she clocked his tea

[professor2000]

12 minutes ago, CottageHore said:

I like Doja but if you can't see that this is likely because they had a contract where his writing credit could remain undisclosed for the first two years of release in order to avoid Doja getting backlash for having him on so many songs on the album, you're deluding yourself… 

How does him being associated with the big singles any better (PR-wise for Doja) than him being on 4 more album tracks?This doesn't make sense.  
 

This theory would be more believable if he was credited as Tyson Trax still…or had no credits at all + then it appeared.  

[gettsleazy]

Jesus, y'all are seriously caping for a man that would call you *******.

 

This is the work of an insecure narcissist. He'll never have the public facing recognition he DESPERATELY wants. He can stay "winning" in the shadows but at the end of the day he will always be known as a PROVEN abuser, alleged rapist, and all around shitty human being that preys on vulnerable young women to cash a check.

 

 

Edited April 28 by gettsleazy

[Communion]

4 hours ago, Kayseri Mantisi said:

A ghostwriter is a ghostwriter. 

What specific lyric do you think he wrote on this:

 

[nooniebao]

5 hours ago, BryceG said:

 

I think with something like 'Future Nostalgia' possibly suddenly adding him to the credits, he won't retroactively receive any awards. He will, however, start to receive plaques for new certifications.

Huh? He allegedly worked on Future Nostalgia?

[professor2000]

38 minutes ago, nooniebao said:

Huh? He allegedly worked on Future Nostalgia?

There was a rumor because of the ASCAP announcement below.  I think it was a mistake, but who knows with him lol.  
 

 

[reymiu]

6 hours ago, BryceG said:

Doja Cat's credits are among the first being refreshed by Kobalt Music Publishing, which administers Dr Luke's song credits.

 

For example, "Woman" now officially credits Dr Luke, who always had a 20% publishing stake in the song as an individual but is now officially credited as one of the songwriters.

 

 

Kobalt needs to manually resubmit each song credit they're changing, so they are prioritising active Prescription, Kemosabe and Amigo artists, then doing Republic and UMG artists from the last two years, and then everyone else that has used Dr Luke.

 

I'll update this thread when a few long-standing blind items and rumours are [finally] confirmed.

 

I also want to preface that some artists will have had no idea Dr Luke worked on their music, whilst others have always known and wanted him uncredited for optics.

What did he ghostwrite ? Fifth Harmony's Work from home and what else?

[GardenPanty]

do yall know how easy it is to get a writing credit? it could be from adlibs / melody / vocal harmonies / etc.

 

i read an article a while back where Max Martin made suggestions to Harry Styles about changing Watermelon Sugar. He didn't take his advice (which is why he isn't credited) but if he did that would be a different story. 

 

I don't think we'll ever know the full story but knowing how easy it is to get a writing credit as a big name , I would not be surprised if these credits weren't "stolen"

[Communion]

8 hours ago, BryceG said:

Dr Luke, who always had a 20% publishing stake in the song as an individual

Is the implication here that all the publishing information we have currently via public repertories is wrong?

 

If these are the publishing shares by PRO since Luke is often the only ASCAP songwriter on his work with Doja, whose publishing is listed as handled by BMI (most of us won't have access to actual splits and comparing PRO shares is what most stans use for a general understanding):

HOT PINK ERA - % ASCAP PUBLISHING CONTROL - # OF CREDITED ASCAP WRITERS

Say So - 52% - 1 ASCAP Writer (Luke) out of 4 Writers

Like That - 52% - 3 ASCAP Writers (Luke, Thomas Theron, Gucci Mane) out of 7 Writers
Juicy - 50% - 1 ASCAP Writer (Luke) out of 4 Writers
Shine - 50% - 2 ASCAP Writers (Luke + Mad Max) out of 4 Writers
Rules - 34% - 2 ASCAP Writers (Luke + Thomas Theron) out of 7 Writers

 

But in comparison..

 

PLANET HER ERA - % ASCAP PUBLISHING CONTROL - # OF CREDITED ASCAP WRITERS

Need To Know - 50% - 1 ASCAP Writer (Luke) out of 2 Writers

You Right - 50% - 1 ASCAP Writer (Luke) out of 3 Writers

Tonight - 32% - 2 ASCAP Writers (Luke, Eve) out of 5 Writers

Kiss Me More - 17% - 3 ASCAP Writers (Luke, Terry Shaddock, Steven Kipper) out of 9 Writers
Woman - 12% - 2 ASCAP Writers (Luke, Ainsley Jones) out of 7 Writers
Alone - 9% - 3 ASCAP Writers (Luke, Beatrice Lewis, Linden Jay) out of 6 Writers

Ride - 3.5% - 2 ASCAP Writers (Luke, Ilana Armida) out of 4 Writers

Been Like This - 3.5% - 2 ASCAP Writers (Luke, Margaux Whitney) out of 6 Writers
Ain't **** - 1% - 1 ASCAP Writer (Luke) out of 6 Writers

 

Of course this isn't a perfect method since it's not the actual splits (Swifties came up with this method on reddit) and these databases themselves can have errors because, at the end of the day, they're updated via administrative work by employees and even what publisher a writer is collecting through can change, but Luke *is* listed currently yet the percentages have huge variance between them.

 

Surely it's easy to see why music publishing info shouldn't require an investigate journalism approach because ideally things don't become ethically and morally gray?

Edited April 29 by Communion

[Puttanesca]

At the end of the day we have no idea what went on behind the scenes, but Doja has already alluded to him adding himself on credits when he had little to do with the creation of the track.

 

I can't wait till she's freed from his label. She's so insanely talented that she'll be just fine without him.