news New Poll: Americans warm to mass deportations

[Kassi]

 

 

Half of Americans — including 42% of Democrats — say they'd support mass deportations of undocumented immigrants, according to a new Axios Vibes survey by The Harris Poll.

 

And 30% of Democrats — as well as 46% of Republicans — now say they'd end birthright citizenship, something guaranteed under the 14th Amendment of the Constitution.

 

Why it matters: Americans are open to former President Trump's harshest immigration plans, spurred on by a record surge of illegal border crossings and a relentless messaging war waged by Republicans.

 

Axios Vibe Check: Amid a record number of border crossings, nearly two-thirds of Americans said illegal immigration is a real crisis, not a politically driven media narrative.

 

https://www.axios.com/2024/04/25/trump-biden-americans-illegal-immigration-poll
 

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Where do we go from here? Seems like the global left is losing the debate on immigration to right wing.

[Tropez]

Another reason why Americans are the worst people in the world. Just a horrible country. 

[Gesamtkunstwerk]

Well, if Trump wins they're one step closer to this being a reality 

[Trent W]

By the way things are going in the country I bet those immigrants will start doing that by themselves 

 

The US is at its worst's all time and there is no good reason to be in this country.

Edited April 25 by Trent W

[Revolution]

Anyone who isn't a Native American should be deported. They are on stolen land.

[Tsareena]

the fake news campaign the right have had here to convince Americans that undocumented immigrants get welfare and commit more crimes here when neither can be proven with actual numbers seems to be working but what happens when this mass deportations doesn’t help these same Americans in anyway… still won’t be able to get jobs or afford food or housing

[Kassi]

28 minutes ago, Tropez said:

Another reason why Americans are the worst people in the world. Just a horrible country. 

To be fair, the US is among the most pro-immigration countries on earth.

 

Trump's immigration policies would be centrist in Europe, meanwhile they are right wing in the US.

[G.U.Y. Gaga]

3 minutes ago, Tsareena said:

the fake news campaign the right have had here to convince Americans that undocumented immigrants get welfare and commit more crimes here when neither can be proven with actual numbers seems to be working but what happens when this mass deportations doesn't help these same Americans in anyway… still won't be able to get jobs or afford food or housing

I'm going to get attacked for this but as someone who lives in NYC… it does affect people. Not me personally but there are people in certain who barely get scraps as is and entire community centers have stopped services to cater for immigrants in this country who are actually getting checks to live (as they should). It's all about optics and the optics just aren't good rn lol

[Communion]

Of course I knew who'd it be as the OP the moment I saw the thread title. 

 

And just like OP's intentions are clear, this type of journalism is often without context and meaningless. 

 

There is actually very little growth of change in said polling. Americans have always said they support these broad and general "policies". Of course someone is going to answer yes when asked if they support a secure border. But polling also finds Americans can't actually stomach the realities of that when forced to see it. It's not "a strong border" - it's family separations. It's not "strong security" - it's migrants being drowned by ICE.

 

If any ideological shift has happened, it quite ironically falls on the shoulders of Biden as a massive failure of his presidency to have said so little on migration and concede must ideological ground to Republicans on the topic. See: the far-right immigration bill that would have ended asylum as we know it that Biden was fighting Dems to pass with the GOP for Israel/Ukraine money. 

[ClashAndBurn]

19 minutes ago, Tsareena said:

the fake news campaign the right have had here to convince Americans that undocumented immigrants get welfare and commit more crimes here when neither can be proven with actual numbers seems to be working but what happens when this mass deportations doesn't help these same Americans in anyway… still won't be able to get jobs or afford food or housing

Costs of everything will go up when there's no cheap labor being carried out by the migrants who are willing to do anything to get by that naturalized citizens will never touch because they believe they're above "manual labor"

 

Not to mention, if Americans DID fill those jobs, then employers would be compelled to pay more, which also means costs go up. So to get around that, companies will just offshore their jobs and build plants and such overseas where they can, and embrace automation otherwise. Fast food service has been revolutionizing so that they don't have to pay cashiers and drive-thru operators for years now.

 

 

 

[Tropez]

19 minutes ago, Kassi said:

To be fair, the US is among the most pro-immigration countries on earth.

 

Trump's immigration policies would be centrist in Europe, meanwhile they are right wing in the US.

The US has never been pro immigration. For much of its history, it has continuously made immigrants the bad person. Even going as far as stopping immigrants from non-white countries and then establishing a quota for white countries. My point still stands. 

[Princess Aurora]

 

41 minutes ago, Kassi said:

To be fair, the US is among the most pro-immigration countries on earth.

 

Trump's immigration policies would be centrist in Europe, meanwhile they are right wing in the US.

Not really. I'm not saying European countries have better immigration laws but the US has always demonized immigrants since those Puritans came to the American shores.

Edited April 25 by Princess Aurora

[JO1s]

If I was an immigrant I'd be looking elsewhere anyways. American society is behind a lot of the rest of the world in many areas.

[Kassi]

11 minutes ago, Tropez said:

The US has never been pro immigration. For much of its history, it has continuously made immigrants the bad person. Even going as far as stopping immigrants from non-white countries and then establishing a quota for white countries. My point still stands. 

8 minutes ago, Princess Aurora said:

Not really. I'm not saying European countries have better immigration laws but the US always demonized immigrants since those Puritans came to the American shores.

America puts up huge barriers to immigration and is also among the most pro-immigration countries on earth. Both things can be true.

 

Birthright citizenship for undocumented immigrants is actually a pretty extreme left policy when you sit and think about it.

 

Any child born in America is a full citizen for life, even if their parents got here five minutes ago.

[loveisdead9582]

Can we deport the republicans to Russia since their figurehead (Trump) loves Putin so much?

[Tropez]

8 minutes ago, Kassi said:

America puts up huge barriers to immigration and is also among the most pro-immigration countries on earth. Both things can be true.

 

Birthright citizenship for undocumented immigrants is actually a pretty extreme left policy when you sit and think about it.

 

Any child born in America is a full citizen for life, even if their parents got here five minutes ago.

How can they be pro immigration yet make immigration a nightmare? Clearly both things cannot be correct. 

[Princess Aurora]

10 minutes ago, Kassi said:

America puts up huge barriers to immigration and is also among the most pro-immigration countries on earth. Both things can be true.

 

Any child born in America is a full citizen for life, even if their parents got here five minutes ago.

That is the only benefit but apart from that, the US's not as pro-immigration as they make it out to be.

Edited April 25 by Princess Aurora

[Ryan]

50 minutes ago, G.U.Y. Gaga said:

I'm going to get attacked for this but as someone who lives in NYC… it does affect people. Not me personally but there are people in certain who barely get scraps as is and entire community centers have stopped services to cater for immigrants in this country who are actually getting checks to live (as they should). It's all about optics and the optics just aren't good rn lol

I was going to share a similar point. But we cannot have these nuanced discussions on ATRL where things can’t have shades of grey. 

[Sannie]

Truth it, most people do not understand the nuances of immigration outside of what they see on the news, and since the media has a vested interest in drumming up fear along with the GOP, all people see nowadays are stories about big, bad, illegal immigrants. They do not realize the majority of what they enjoy, including fresh fruits and vegetables available year round, is because of immigrant labor. They do not understand how much their lives will be impacted by mass deportations. 
 

And it is unfortunate because right now the leftists and the GOP (same thing) both want to throw out so many hardworking immigrants just to "get back at the Dems" and they do not care who they hurt. 

[Kassi]

38 minutes ago, Tropez said:

How can they be pro immigration yet make immigration a nightmare? Clearly both things cannot be correct. 

I think because the public is broadly supportive of orderly, legal immigration. But our current immigration policy results in large queues for green cards and permanent residency. This leads people to cross the border illegally and declare for amnesty -- which is another pro-immigration feature. But that doesn't go over well with the public when it's 100,000s of people crossing.

 

Americans are more concerned with the process around immigration, while other countries in Asia, Middle East, and Europe don't even entertain the notion of mass immigration.

[Communion]

37 minutes ago, Ryan said:

I was going to share a similar point. But we cannot have these nuanced discussions on ATRL where things can't have shades of grey. 

It's nuance to weaponize poor people's existance for the benefit of far-right immigration policy - as such articles do? Even when such doesn't materially square away with that plenty of affluent suburban voters hate undocumented immigrants and buy into the right-wing framing that demonizes a certain type of migration?

 

It feels silly when those who are invested in electoralism can't acknowledge when they're just trying to reverse engineer justifications for that electoralism and candidate preference. The tone has clearly been "Biden has to be good" and thus "Actually, maybe right wing views on immigration like Biden has aren't bad!". Because if one is honest in their disgust of Trump, they wouldn't support Trump's policies when done by a Democrat.

 

Of course resources can and do get strained with influx of undocumented migrants. The solution to this though is 1) a humane response to people in need like refugees seeking asylum and 2) broader foreign policy reform that addresses American actions that forced people to have to come to America, here a huge percentage of the world's wealth is hoarded. 

 

Centrist Democrats do not support Medicare For All, Free College for All, greater social welfare, etc. already so why should undocumented immigrants be scapegoated for their austerity policies? Is Biden suddenly change his claim he'd veto Medicare For All if applying for asylum was banned in the US?

 

Of course there's room for nuance re: how poor people suffer when resources are poorly funded. But nuance also means recognizing immigration is an economic issue, welfare is an economic issue, and the cause of all economic strife in America is failed neoliberal policy that benefits corporations and elites. Poor natural-born citizens and poor undocumented migrants are shared victims of the same system, not weapons to be wielded against one another. 

Edited April 25 by Communion

[bielneira]

1 hour ago, Gesamtkunstwerk said:

Well, if Trump wins they're one step closer to this being a reality 

And he might 

 

[Navyboy20]

Black Americans once again being the only demographic that hasn't completely lost their damn minds

Edited April 25 by Navyboy20

[playboi]

2 hours ago, Revolution said:

Anyone who isn't a Native American should be deported. They are on stolen land.

the rest of the world doesn't want americans tho 

[Domination]

I'm pro-immigration but some of you simply can't seem to wrap you minds around the fact that immigration does not start and end at allowing people to be here without deportation.