Magickarp Posted March 17 Posted March 17 12 minutes ago, Klein said: Lavender Haze? Reputation era when she first met Joe? We first knew they were together in May 2017 so Reputation was already done by then. She would have not been talking about being tired of people asking if they were going to marry at this point. Then for Lover, she did Paper Rings and as I said, she did not write both this and LH that close to each other when in one she's basically begging Joe to marry her while in the other she's saying "who cares if we get married, leave us alone". Swish Swish Bish? You think Karma was supposed to be a response to Katy when they re-united on You Need To Calm Down? The song is 100% about Scooter and she wouldn't have taken the risk to look like a fool by coming for him like she won the war before she knew the re-recordings would become a success. She might have had the idea behind the song back in 2020, but it definitely wasn't written down. Her gag in the MMWM is a clear indication that she knows about the foolish fan theory that there is a supposed lost album called Karma because of this very scene. Then, it's clear Midnights was clearly done in early 2022 to have the vinyls ready, so most of the album was written in 2021. I don't see why she wouldn't have written LH/Mastermind earlier in the year, and then You're Losing Me in December 2021 when we know (or at least wildly speculate based on @wastedpotential rumors) there was a huge fallout in late 2021. Mind you, You're Losing Me was not on Midnights upon release, and only got associated with it after the break-up news. I literally don't see LH about her begging Joe to marry her AT ALL lol. It's just about media backlash and him making her feel good regardless MID opens with about how good made her felt despite the scrutiny, & ends with how she ended up with Joe in the first place. Nothing recent. I know exactly what Karma is about. Swish Swish bish just meant that one can be a critical commercial failure and still write a song about being a successful *****. Quote Her gag in the MMWM is a clear indication that she knows about the foolish fan theory that there is a supposed lost album called Karma because of this very scene. Sound like you're trying to force your conspiracy theory as much as i am
Shoful Posted March 17 Posted March 17 Reputation better be coming September 13th. The timing is just TOO perfect. She also better spend her time and money on a quality photoshoot and like 8+ vault tracks where half of them are Max Martin and include a rap like Ready for It and EndGame
vale9001 Posted March 17 Posted March 17 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Mandalore said: Happy 1 year anniversary to The Eras Tour! That first show was so special, no spoilers, no expectations. The iconic first dive under the stage. The heartbreak over her only playing Enchanted from Speak now. In hindsight, I'm so glad I spent a fortune to make it to that very first night. It was rare, I was there I was there. Us One year ago when people outside the stadium during the rehersals released all these videos with almost any Song: "the videos are fake or She is playing every song at High volume so the setlist can't be discovered before. The show can't be with 50 songs and 4 hours long!!!" Well... Edited March 17 by vale9001 5
Shoful Posted March 17 Posted March 17 What will happen when she releases an orange album then runs out of heart emoji colors, will apple release a new series of colors
Klein Posted March 17 Posted March 17 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Magickarp said: I literally don't see LH about her begging Joe to marry her AT ALL lol. It's just about media backlash and him making her feel good regardless Yes, that's what I said. It's Paper Rings that is begging Joe to marry her. 4 minutes ago, Magickarp said: I know exactly what Karma is about. Swish Swish bish just meant that one can be a critical commercial failure and still write a song about being a successful *****. When Katy wrote SSB, she was arguably the biggest popstar going against the girl in the midst of being cancelled. This is not comparable to Taylor being on a decline and going against Scooter who had actually the upper hand at the time, and she clearly didn't know how things were going to end. Edited March 17 by Klein 4
Magickarp Posted March 17 Posted March 17 MID is her most conceptless album Business woman needed a way to tie in those 2019 demos TTPD is thankfully a return to form 3AM follows the MID concept more than Standard ever did tbh. I can very easily believe the entire 3AM were newly written. 24 minutes ago, Klein said: Yes, that's what I said. It's Paper Rings that is begging Joe to marry her. Oop i misread sorry. To me, that doesn't change the fact it could still be easily written back then tho Quote When Katy wrote SSB, she was arguably the biggest popstar going against the girl in the midst of being cancelled. This is not comparable to Taylor being on a decline and going against Scooter who had actually the upper hand at the time, and she clearly didn't know how things were going to end. Keep telling yourself that, & i will continue to do the same to myself
wastedpotential Posted March 17 Posted March 17 37 minutes ago, Klein said: Lavender Haze? Reputation era when she first met Joe? We first knew they were together in May 2017 so Reputation was already done by then. She would have not been talking about being tired of people asking if they were going to marry at this point. Then for Lover, she did Paper Rings and as I said, she did not write both this and LH that close to each other when in one she's basically begging Joe to marry her while in the other she's saying "who cares if we get married, leave us alone". Swish Swish Bish? You think Karma was supposed to be a response to Katy when they re-united on You Need To Calm Down? The song is 100% about Scooter and she wouldn't have taken the risk to look like a fool by coming for him like she won the war before she knew the re-recordings would become a success. She might have had the idea behind the song back in 2020, but it definitely wasn't written down. Her gag in the MMWM is a clear indication that she knows about the foolish fan theory that there is a supposed lost album called Karma because of this very scene. It's as if the entire second verse of the song isn't entirely about Scooter (who else is "spider boy, king of thieves" possibly about?) and basically the entire song is her throwing her success with Fearless and Red in his face. 39 minutes ago, Klein said: Then, it's clear Midnights was clearly done in early 2022 to have the vinyls ready, so most of the album was written in 2021. I don't see why she wouldn't have written LH/Mastermind earlier in the year, and then You're Losing Me in December 2021 when we know (or at least wildly speculate based on @wastedpotential rumors) there was a huge fallout in late 2021. Mind you, You're Losing Me was not on Midnights upon release, and only got associated with it after the break-up news. nnnnnn 1
Klein Posted March 17 Posted March 17 7 minutes ago, wastedpotential said: It's as if the entire second verse of the song isn't entirely about Scooter (who else is "spider boy, king of thieves" possibly about?) and basically the entire song is her throwing her success with Fearless and Red in his face. I mean, to each their own beliefs but Midnights is either very departed from the state of mind she was in during Lover era (Lavender Haze, Karma, Question, Mastermind) or very clearly post folklore/evermore/first TVs in terms of vibes or lyrics (Snow On The Beach, Anti-Hero, Bejeweled, Vigilante ****...). Maybe sonically Maroon could be from that period of post-Rep, pre-Lover, lyric-wise I don't see it whatsoever. Midnight Rain is a tried-and-true Midnights song in terms of concept. Sweet Nothing is a Joe co-write and she only started those during covid when she was locked at home with Joe. I just don't see Midnights being mostly written pre-folklore. The most Lover-reminiscing aspect of Midnights is the use of falsetto during the chorus of Lavender Haze that calls back to I Think He Knows. 3 1
Popular Post wastedpotential Posted March 17 Popular Post Posted March 17 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Magickarp said: MID is her most conceptless album Business woman needed a way to tie in those 2019 demos TTPD is thankfully a return to form 3AM follows the MID concept more than Standard ever did tbh. I can very easily believe the entire 3AM were newly written. Babygirl just because you don't understand the concept doesn't mean it's not there You don't have to like the album, but it's pretty evident after a few listens that Midnights is, in light of her relationship troubles (she's literally said it came together in 8 weeks while her boyfriend was in Panama, after she confronted him about emotional absence and potential infidelity), a reflection upon both the good times and upon previous failed relationships, to put what she was dealing with at the time into perspective. She couldn't just come out and say "oh yeah, Joe ******* sucks", because she was still with him for over a year after she turned Midnights in for manufacturing () Instead, she delved into the times when the relationship was in a better place (SotB, Labyrinth, Mastermind, Glitch), gaslighting herself that it wasn't that bad (LH, Paris), because comparatively she'd had relationships in worse places (Question, High Infidelity, WCS), though not without considering what her life could've been like (MR). She did eventually come to terms with the fact that it was in a bad state, but maybe it was her fault (AH), and if not, then it was a mutual breakdown (TGW, Maroon), but oh Joe kinda was an insecure ******* (Bejeweled, Hits Different), and then finally it was his fault (YLM), and she was better off on her own (YOYOK). Finally, she ends it with a warning to the audience that she's literally an unreliable narrator because she was living through this relationship while also being the writer documenting it, and thus wanted to present things a certain way and didn't know the ending (Dear Reader) [tangent, but this is what I'm positive TTPD will explore a lot further]. The final tracks are either about Scooter (Vigilante ****, Karma), and then BTTWS was about her good friend Claire's miscarriage. Finally, Sweet Nothing is a kii at Joe's (and our) expense, because it's about a good, simple relationship that they didn't have. If you consider the lyrics about the good times (those you're saying were written in 2019), you have to look at the perspective from which they're written. She wasn't writing any of them as they happened to her, rather from a place of hindsight. The songs about previous relationships are the only ones that could've theoretically been written earlier, but that just doesn't make sense because what reason would she have to go digging through her own past if not to compare it to the hardship of her present. Edited March 17 by wastedpotential 6 19
wastedpotential Posted March 17 Posted March 17 1 minute ago, Klein said: I mean, to each their own beliefs but Midnights is either very departed from the state of mind she was in during Lover era (Lavender Haze, Karma, Question, Mastermind) or very clearly post folklore/evermore/first TVs in terms of vibes or lyrics (Snow On The Beach, Anti-Hero, Bejeweled, Vigilante ****...). Maybe sonically Maroon could be from that period of post-Rep, pre-Lover, lyric-wise I don't see it whatsoever. Midnight Rain is a tried-and-true Midnights song in terms of concept. Sweet Nothing is a Joe co-write and she only started those during covid when she was locked at home with Joe. I just don't see Midnights being mostly written pre-folklore. The most Lover-reminiscing aspect of Midnights is the use of falsetto during the chorus of Lavender Haze that calls back to I Think He Knows. Even for these... Maroon is very much a companion piece to Cornelia Street written in a post folkmore lyrical environment, and given that 2020/the first half of 2021 were very good for them as a couple, she had no reason to write a song like Maroon then. The sonic similarities are an homage and a reference, not a sign that they were created at the same time. Agreed about MR too, fantasizing about what her life would be like if she'd ended up with the boy from high school only really artistically makes sense to have come from a time in which she wasn't happy with her present day. SN is just a literal gag at his (and our) expense, playing off what he wanted of her and what we thought their relationship was like, which I'd theorize came from a place of resentment for the career position in which Joe wanted to put her. 1
wastedpotential Posted March 17 Posted March 17 5 minutes ago, The Music Industry said: She's doing 2.5M+ I had a vision I used my ouija board and spoke to a spirit who told me the same thing 2.5M pure 1
Roger21 Posted March 17 Posted March 17 5 minutes ago, wastedpotential said: I used my ouija board and spoke to a spirit who told me the same thing He lied
West Coast Posted March 17 Posted March 17 41 minutes ago, Magickarp said: MID is her most conceptless album Business woman needed a way to tie in those 2019 demos TTPD is thankfully a return to form 3AM follows the MID concept more than Standard ever did tbh. I can very easily believe the entire 3AM were newly written. It’s her worst pop album for a reason 1 2
folkloreking Posted March 17 Posted March 17 21 minutes ago, wastedpotential said: Babygirl just because you don't understand the concept doesn't mean it's not there You don't have to like the album, but it's pretty evident after a few listens that Midnights is, in light of her relationship troubles (she's literally said it came together in 8 weeks while her boyfriend was in Panama, after she confronted him about emotional absence and potential infidelity), a reflection upon both the good times and upon previous failed relationships, to put what she was dealing with at the time into perspective. She couldn't just come out and say "oh yeah, Joe ******* sucks", because she was still with him for over a year after she turned Midnights in for manufacturing () Instead, she delved into the times when the relationship was in a better place (SotB, Labyrinth, Mastermind, Glitch), gaslighting herself that it wasn't that bad (LH, Paris), because comparatively she'd had relationships in worse places (Question, High Infidelity, WCS), though not without considering what her life could've been like (MR). She did eventually come to terms with the fact that it was in a bad state, but maybe it was her fault (AH), and if not, then it was a mutual breakdown (TGW, Maroon), but oh Joe kinda was an insecure ******* (Bejeweled, Hits Different), and then finally it was his fault (YLM), and she was better off on her own (YOYOK). Finally, she ends it with a warning to the audience that she's literally an unreliable narrator because she was living through this relationship while also being the writer documenting it, and thus wanted to present things a certain way and didn't know the ending (Dear Reader) [tangent, but this is what I'm positive TTPD will explore a lot further]. The final tracks are either about Scooter (Vigilante ****, Karma), and then BTTWS was about her good friend Claire's miscarriage. Finally, Sweet Nothing is a kii at Joe's (and our) expense, because it's about a good, simple relationship that they didn't have. If you consider the lyrics about the good times (those you're saying were written in 2019), you have to look at the perspective from which they're written. She wasn't writing any of them as they happened to her, rather from a place of hindsight. The songs about previous relationships are the only ones that could've theoretically been written earlier, but that just doesn't make sense because what reason would she have to go digging through her own past if not to compare it to the hardship of her present. Perfect rundown of the pristine concept for this album. Another loss for sufferers of Midnights Derangement Syndrome. 8
every1blinks Posted March 17 Posted March 17 Meanwhile, I’m quaking at the thought of My Boy Only Breaks His Favorite Toys 2 1
Magickarp Posted March 17 Posted March 17 Also i just wanna say, just cuz a song was written years before & then picked up again, does not mean it's a bad thing There are many reasons to insult MID but that is not one of them
wastedpotential Posted March 17 Posted March 17 1 minute ago, Magickarp said: Also i just wanna say, just cuz a song was written years before & then picked up again, does not mean it's a bad thing There are many reasons to insult MID but that is not one of them Of course not, because that didn't happen on Midnights The only time she's clearly placed a song from a previous time on a new album would be Sparks Fly, which the girls were really hoping would be on Fearless and was practically (fan demanded) 3
Klein Posted March 17 Posted March 17 45 minutes ago, wastedpotential said: Babygirl just because you don't understand the concept doesn't mean it's not there You don't have to like the album, but it's pretty evident after a few listens that Midnights is, in light of her relationship troubles (she's literally said it came together in 8 weeks while her boyfriend was in Panama, after she confronted him about emotional absence and potential infidelity), a reflection upon both the good times and upon previous failed relationships, to put what she was dealing with at the time into perspective. She couldn't just come out and say "oh yeah, Joe ******* sucks", because she was still with him for over a year after she turned Midnights in for manufacturing () Instead, she delved into the times when the relationship was in a better place (SotB, Labyrinth, Mastermind, Glitch), gaslighting herself that it wasn't that bad (LH, Paris), because comparatively she'd had relationships in worse places (Question, High Infidelity, WCS), though not without considering what her life could've been like (MR). She did eventually come to terms with the fact that it was in a bad state, but maybe it was her fault (AH), and if not, then it was a mutual breakdown (TGW, Maroon), but oh Joe kinda was an insecure ******* (Bejeweled, Hits Different), and then finally it was his fault (YLM), and she was better off on her own (YOYOK). Finally, she ends it with a warning to the audience that she's literally an unreliable narrator because she was living through this relationship while also being the writer documenting it, and thus wanted to present things a certain way and didn't know the ending (Dear Reader) [tangent, but this is what I'm positive TTPD will explore a lot further]. The final tracks are either about Scooter (Vigilante ****, Karma), and then BTTWS was about her good friend Claire's miscarriage. Finally, Sweet Nothing is a kii at Joe's (and our) expense, because it's about a good, simple relationship that they didn't have. If you consider the lyrics about the good times (those you're saying were written in 2019), you have to look at the perspective from which they're written. She wasn't writing any of them as they happened to her, rather from a place of hindsight. The songs about previous relationships are the only ones that could've theoretically been written earlier, but that just doesn't make sense because what reason would she have to go digging through her own past if not to compare it to the hardship of her present. Now this was a gag. 2
TaylenaStan Posted March 17 Posted March 17 (edited) 53 minutes ago, wastedpotential said: Babygirl just because you don't understand the concept doesn't mean it's not there You don't have to like the album, but it's pretty evident after a few listens that Midnights is, in light of her relationship troubles (she's literally said it came together in 8 weeks while her boyfriend was in Panama, after she confronted him about emotional absence and potential infidelity), a reflection upon both the good times and upon previous failed relationships, to put what she was dealing with at the time into perspective. She couldn't just come out and say "oh yeah, Joe ******* sucks", because she was still with him for over a year after she turned Midnights in for manufacturing () Instead, she delved into the times when the relationship was in a better place (SotB, Labyrinth, Mastermind, Glitch), gaslighting herself that it wasn't that bad (LH, Paris), because comparatively she'd had relationships in worse places (Question, High Infidelity, WCS), though not without considering what her life could've been like (MR). She did eventually come to terms with the fact that it was in a bad state, but maybe it was her fault (AH), and if not, then it was a mutual breakdown (TGW, Maroon), but oh Joe kinda was an insecure ******* (Bejeweled, Hits Different), and then finally it was his fault (YLM), and she was better off on her own (YOYOK). Finally, she ends it with a warning to the audience that she's literally an unreliable narrator because she was living through this relationship while also being the writer documenting it, and thus wanted to present things a certain way and didn't know the ending (Dear Reader) [tangent, but this is what I'm positive TTPD will explore a lot further]. The final tracks are either about Scooter (Vigilante ****, Karma), and then BTTWS was about her good friend Claire's miscarriage. Finally, Sweet Nothing is a kii at Joe's (and our) expense, because it's about a good, simple relationship that they didn't have. If you consider the lyrics about the good times (those you're saying were written in 2019), you have to look at the perspective from which they're written. She wasn't writing any of them as they happened to her, rather from a place of hindsight. The songs about previous relationships are the only ones that could've theoretically been written earlier, but that just doesn't make sense because what reason would she have to go digging through her own past if not to compare it to the hardship of her present. Now that we know that their relationship has been falling apart for a while, its been getting clearer what the Midnights tracks are about obviously BUT she said the album is about 13 sleepless nights which ... yeah some songs maybe but overall the album didnt fit THAT concept imo WCS kinda fits that concept the most Edited March 17 by TaylenaStan 1
Michael196 Posted March 17 Posted March 17 5 hours ago, wastedpotential said: The several users in the comments and quotes not knowing what this is from and thinking they have an actual leak on their hands I feel ancient as a fan and this wasn't even five years ago Also, how good life must be without the intense PTSD from the Cats release 5 hours ago, Klein said: Can you actually call yourself a fan if you don't know this song? It's not some obscure Debut unreleased. My first instinct was to enter and see how many accounts that are fully dedicated to her (from username to avi to bio) that actually fell for it, and I wasn’t disappointed 1
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