album Taylor Swift - 'THE TORTURED POETS DEPARTMENT'

[Dear Reader]

3 minutes ago, Enrique523 said:

Are those "Swifties" really not able to see that Fantano has obvious bias against her? I'm pretty sure he talked about "professional victimhood" about this album, which immediately makes that ass*ole lose all credibility 

I might not have explained myself well. I was trying to say that the hypocrisy and double standards are applied to our fandom. We can never counter argument them, cause it's seen as "not being able to take criticism" when we give very valid points, for the most part. But it's as someone has said before, no matter how hard you try, they're not trying to hear you. 

[Cleanromantic]

3 minutes ago, Enrique523 said:

Are those "Swifties" really not able to see that Fantano has obvious bias against her? I'm pretty sure he talked about "professional victimhood" about this album, which immediately makes that ass*ole lose all credibility 

Fantano never liked her and when he gave her 7s it was obvious he was just doing it for the narrative cause she was getting her flowers from the critics. He's been yapping about her so much lately on socials to farm engagement because he knows people who hate her are unhinged and would consume anything disparaging towars her. 

[Dear Reader]

2 minutes ago, Cleanromantic said:

Fantano never liked her and when he gave her 7s it was obvious he was just doing it for the narrative cause she was getting her flowers from the critics. He's been yapping about her so much lately on socials to farm engagement because he knows people who hate her are unhinged and would consume anything disparaging towars her. 

Go look at his reviews, he will just copy whatever the Twitter narrative is that week. 

[Peak Now]

I finally lost all hope in Fantano when he said Taylor was copying Ariana because apparently she invented sticking with your flop boyfriend 

[Mandalore]

Atrl is a lot more fun when you realize people are never gonna argue with you about Taylor in good faith. Only engage if you're willing to take the piss but I sincerely hope none of y'all are seriously trying to reason with these losers 

[Cleanromantic]

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The funniest thing here is that she blocked Charlie without needing the digital versions. Her doing 35k without them and blocking the other's 27k debut is why I wish her team didn't panic often, cause now the haters are clinging to the digital releases for dear life when they have nothing to stand. Same as her only needing two voice memos to block Billie. 

 

[Cleanromantic]

1 minute ago, Mandalore said:

Atrl is a lot more fun when you realize people are never gonna argue with you about Taylor in good faith. Only engage if you're willing to take the piss but I sincerely hope none of y'all are seriously trying to reason with these losers 

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I think they're this unhinged because they're so insecure about who they stan. We have to understand that atrl is one of the only internet bubbles where you can say you stan certain girls without getting laughed at, so they feel like swifites are infringing on their personal space because unlike their faves, Taylor is actually beloved and known outside of small internet pockets.

 

[Enrique523]

1 hour ago, Cleanromantic said:

It also speaks to people blocking out years of her career and pretending she debuted in 2022 to cope with the fact she's dominating 20 years in when people they love fell off 5 years in . 

This right there is by far the most hilarious thing to me. I've said it SO many times in the past but i noticed that OTHs have weirdly been ignoring her for so many years, as if they didn't consider her a "real" pop girl the way their faves were. Back in 2008-2014 when people were talking about who the current Pop Queen was they talked about Gaga, Rihanna, Katy, even Miley () but NEVER about Taylor, as if she didn't exist.

 

But now that she's absolutely DOMINATING and cannot be ignored anymore, they have to face the reality of her entire massive career and the reality of the numbers she's been stacking since the late 00s and they just CAN'T DEAL WITH IT, even to this day. They have to make up more and more insane conspiracy theories to convince themselves that she's somehow not the reigning Queen of Pop of the 21th century, that their faves really are bigger than her when they obviously aren't 

Edited June 18 by Enrique523

[Cleanromantic]

Funnily enough, the only time Fantano was fair towards her is in his Lover review . I think he felt like she's on her way out so he finally decided to stop hating her cause she's popular/ the biggesf artist.

[Enrique523]

1 hour ago, AndThenTheCocaine said:

Exactly lmao

 

And don't get me started on how everyone was perfectly fine with using chart positions and streams to praise their fave/drag other artists until Taylor started outperforming everyone else after the Eras Tour started 

 

Or how "comparing charts/streams" has literally been the modus operandi of stan Twitter and every pop culture forum since the Internet existed-- what do you think the "TRL" in ATRL stands for  

Oh yeah, people are extremely hypocritical about charts these days lol. Charts is what people care about the most by FAR yet they're talking about critics all the time now, as if the opinions of two dozen people is suddenly more important than being beloved by the masses 

They also act as if Taylor has been critically panned her whole career just because TTPD got more mixed reviews, absolute INSANITY 

[Mandalore]

3 minutes ago, Cleanromantic said:

Funnily enough, the only time Fantano was fair towards her is in his Lover review . I think he felt like she's on her way out so he finally decided to stop hating her cause she's popular/ the biggesf artist.

He could never fool me, I've clocked him as a hater and was just waiting for everyone to catch up. He's also one of the most boring and dull reviewers out there. There's barely any substance, even to his positive reviews and that extends to artists he does like. Like watchin an AI generated hologram talk about music. 

Edited June 18 by Mandalore

[Peak Now]

2 minutes ago, Enrique523 said:

Back in 2008-2014 when people were talking about who the current Pop Queen was they talked about Gaga, Rihanna, Katy, even Miley () but NEVER about Taylor, as if she didn't exist.

To be fair she was barely doing pop back then, she even attempted to send WANEGBT to country radio 

 

But yeah some people just can't handle Taylor surviving the Kimye phonecall (and being vindicated), a panned album, a panned movie, jet trackers and questionable boyfriends and is still having a commercial peak 18 years in 

[Enrique523]

1 hour ago, Dear Reader said:

I might not have explained myself well. I was trying to say that the hypocrisy and double standards are applied to our fandom. We can never counter argument them, cause it's seen as "not being able to take criticism" when we give very valid points, for the most part. But it's as someone has said before, no matter how hard you try, they're not trying to hear you. 

Oh ok, i see what you mean, sorry.

[Enrique523]

1 hour ago, Cleanromantic said:

Fantano never liked her and when he gave her 7s it was obvious he was just doing it for the narrative cause she was getting her flowers from the critics. He's been yapping about her so much lately on socials to farm engagement because he knows people who hate her are unhinged and would consume anything disparaging towars her. 

Exactly. It's so hilarious how Fantano, a supposed leftist, has fallen for the same tactics people on the far right do: use rage bait to get engagement. He's always been a pretentious piece of sh*t, he's just shown his true colors even more lately.

[Cleanromantic]

7 minutes ago, Mandalore said:

He could never fool me, I've clocked him as a hater and was just waiting for everyone to catch up. He's also one of the most boring and dull reviewers out there. There's barely any substance, even to his positive reviews and that extends to artists he does like. Like watchin an AI generated hologram talk about music. 

Oh I clocked him being a hater since 2014, when he refused to review 1989 and called it bad and said he doesn't understand why people like her. Then he had the audacity to act like he loved og 1989 cause he was using it to disparage the TV .  It's so transparent and if he was doing it to any other artist he'll be called out on his bullshit more. 

Ps: get ready to be thread banned and warned for being Off-topic. A certain two letter user name will eventually find their way into this thread.

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[Mandalore]

2 minutes ago, Enrique523 said:

Exactly. It's so hilarious how Fantano, a supposed leftist, has fallen for the same tactics people on the far right do: use rage bait to get engagement. He's always been a pretentious piece of sh*t, he's just shown his true colors even more lately.

Allegedly his wife/long-term girlfriend left him so maybe The Smallest Man Who Ever Lived hit a nerve or something  Also people ignore that his weekly audience on twitch are literal 4chan trolls. If that's the audience he appeals to and cultivate, it really does say everything about him.

[Enrique523]

1 hour ago, Cleanromantic said:

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I think they're this unhinged because they're so insecure about who they stan. We have to understand that atrl is one of the only internet bubbles where you can say you stan certain girls without getting laughed at, so they feel like swifites are infringing on their personal space because unlike their faves, Taylor is actually beloved and known outside of small internet pockets.

 

...this is actually so true. I never really thought about it but it makes sense. ATRL is seen as a "gay forum" for people who enjoy "gay" pop stars (aka pop stars who appeal to gays more than anything). Taylor, for some reason, is seen as a "straight" pop star who appeal primarily to straight women and so they feel like Swifties should not even be on "their" spaces.

 

It's really not that different from far right "gamers" who always scream everytime there's a woman or anything woke in "their" video games, it's just another form of misogyny.

[Mandalore]

1 minute ago, Cleanromantic said:

Oh I clocked him being a hater since 2014, when he refused to review 1989 and called bad and said he doesn't understand why people like her. Then he had the audacity to act like he loved og 1989 cause he was using it to disparage the TV .  It's so transparent and if he was doing it to any other artist he'll be called out on his bullshit more. 

Ps: get ready to be thread banned and warned for being Off-topic. A certain two letter user name will eventually find their way into this thread.

I still remember him claiming CRJ's Emotion was the inspiration behind 1989's 80s and synth sounds, you know, despite 1989 coming out a whole ass year before. 

 

OT: TTPD >>>>> every other album released this year 

[Mandalore]

4 minutes ago, Enrique523 said:

...this is actually so true. I never really thought about it but it makes sense. ATRL is seen as a "gay forum" for people who enjoy "gay" pop stars (aka pop stars who appeal to gays more than anything). Taylor, for some reason, is seen as a "straight" pop star who appeal primarily to straight women and so they feel like Swifties should not even be on "their" spaces.

 

It's really not that different from far right "gamers" who always scream everytime there's a woman or anything woke in "their" video games, it's just another form of misogyny.

Yeah, Taylor was never an artist for "The Gays"™, she never pretended to be and never cared to operate in that kind of appeal. I can say so much about this but I know people will lurk and get their feelings hurt and it's Pride month so let me be nice...for now. 

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[Cleanromantic]

1 minute ago, Mandalore said:

Yeah, Taylor was never an artist for "The Gays" tm, she never pretended to be and never cared to operate in that kind of appeal. I can say so much about this but I know people will lurk and get their feelings hurt and it's Pride month so let me be nice...for now. 

As a gay/ Trans fan, I'm glad she's never appealed to that crowd because I've never felt welcomed in it either (and I honestly don't want to be)

[Enrique523]

1 hour ago, AndThenTheCocaine said:

To be fair she was barely doing pop back then, she even attempted to send WANEGBT to country radio 

 

But yeah some people just can't handle Taylor surviving the Kimye phonecall (and being vindicated), a panned album, a panned movie, jet trackers and questionable boyfriends and is still having a commercial peak 18 years in 

She was very much a country pop artist, she wasn't doing pure country. When i see some of the other girls they stan, some of them also weren't what i would call "pure pop", like Beyonce for example. There was no reason for her to be excluded from those conversations.

 

But yeah, you are right about the rest. People 100% thought she'd be over after the Kimye scandal, and it almost worked for a while since she DID have a commercial setback from Reputation onward (it wasn't because of the Kimye incident though). But now she's more on top than ever and the resentment over it is DEEP.

 

Gays on pop forums/stan twitter tend to hold grudges forever, just look at the way Xtina is STILL getting mocked constantly despite no being relevant for almost 15 years 

[PoisonedIvy]

Sometimes when they go low you have to go lower. I'm in the trenches. 

 

 

[Peak Now]

I do think (and I'm parroting what someone said a while ago) that Taylor and (for example) Beyoncé represent two sides of femininity, Tay the softer, introspective-r side and Bey the more outspoken, bombastic side.

 

And part of the reason some of their fans hate each other('s fans) because they don't see the other side as valid, which is just plain bullshit tbh. Like I use Taylor when I want to get in my feels and Dua/Gaga when I want to jam to a bop, it's not that deep  it's almost as if people are complex and contain multitudes

[PoisonedIvy]

It's kind of like when a baby won't stop crying so you just mirror those sobs back at it. It stops crying long enough to wonder what the hell you're whining about and that gives you a brief resolution to the prior dilemma.  

[Nick_317]

 

You can see how pressed he is towards the end of the video like he is literally surpassing his angerSo much for someone that 'does not care' about chartsLiterally OTH behaviour