album Taylor Swift - 'THE TORTURED POETS DEPARTMENT'

[Cleanromantic]

I don't care about the hate because she seems to have finally stopped caring as well. She just seems to be genuinely unfazed by what the haters and fans have to say about her, and it comes off in how carefree and silly she is on the Eras tour. 

[Enrique523]

1 hour ago, Klein said:

Any praise or drag will never make people change their mind if they already like her or hate her anyway. The only thing that could truly impact her popularity and standing with her fans and the GP would be a true assassination of her character, and when the worst she's doing is releasing variants, I think she'll be more than fine. 

 

Also, if anything, someone neutral to her that is exposed to this "hate train" will most likely be sick of the hate before they are sick of Taylor herself, who's pretty much done nothing this year since the Superbowl outside of releasing music/playing concerts (which... is her job as an artist). That's already happening with certain members on ATRL that used to get their kiis in the hate threads and that are now showing they're tired of it. 

 

But at the same time, why would people stop dragging her when it's the most engagement they'll ever receive? 

That's the thing right there. Hating her has become a grift, the same way you see "anti-woke" grifters all over Youtube.

[Peak Now]

Spoiler

To be honest I would vastly prefer her get hate-trained over releasing mid (disclaimer that "mid" is subjective etc.) than whatever made-up bullshit like the Kimye phone call or her bullying Celine Dion or wtv

 

The OTHs can have a little critical panning as a treat 

Edited June 18, 2024 by AndThenTheCocaine

[Cleanromantic]

Why am I sitting in a train station randomly crying about ttpd . I can't explain how sad and emotional this album makes me feel. She perfectly captured that experience of being so depressed you begin to question your sanity, and it's so raw and honest.

[PoisonedIvy]

The way it takes a hyperbolic demonstration of irony and satire for them to recoil and reflect on the way they've been acting.  

[Dear Reader]

6 minutes ago, PoisonedIvy said:

The way it takes a hyperbolic demonstration of irony and satire for them to recoil and reflect on the way they've been acting.  

Some of them couldn't understand a Taylor metaphor if it hit them in the head, don't be surprised 

[Holiest Dreams]

1 hour ago, Klein said:

Also, if anything, someone neutral to her that is exposed to this "hate train" will most likely be sick of the hate before they are sick of Taylor herself, who's pretty much done nothing this year since the Superbowl outside of releasing music/playing concerts (which... is her job as an artist). That's already happening with certain members on ATRL that used to get their kiis in the hate threads and that are now showing they're tired of it. 

Oh this absolute spill. This is always a cycle with Taylor, it seems. Something super tiny (so tiny that it's no different than what her peers do, 99% of the time) gets blown out of proportion and then even some of the haters are like "okay y'all are being psychotic " and lost interest. 
 

You could even make the argument that it happened with TTPD release. The takes became so ridiculous (people who probably degrade her writing skills taking simple metaphors literally ) that many people stopped caring. 
 

It's annoying that it has to get to this point, but it's honestly funny. Our "cookie cutter wonderbread queen who has no edge at all" etc etc inciting so much hatred from people that some semi-sane individuals recant their hate 

[Holiest Dreams]

3 minutes ago, Dear Reader said:

Some of them couldn't understand a Taylor metaphor if it hit them in the head, don't be surprised 

Person A: "Taylor's writing has the depth of a kiddy pool, it requires no deep examination"

 

Person A, again: "This is the asylum she was raised in? [photo of her childhood home]"

 

World class comedians wish they could come up with a situation so ironically hilarious 

 

[OnlyManInTheWorld]

I'd be more concerned if people stopped caring about me. 
 

They're always hating on those who are staying on top. People in general love to see spectacular downfalls. We just live in a very miserable world and the internet allows you to let your frustrations out.

[Dear Reader]

1 minute ago, Holiest Dreams said:

Person A: "Taylor's writing has the depth of a kiddy pool, it requires no deep examination"

 

Person A, again: "This is the asylum she was raised in? [photo of her childhood home]"

 

World class comedians wish they could come up with a situation so ironically hilarious 

 

This happens with Swifties too. They'll say we're not "able to take criticism" because we don't agree with Fantano's views of the album 

[Peak Now]

It's almost as if when an MPG is at the top of her game the usual suspects come out of the woodwork to hate her because it now makes them "cool" and "not like the other sheeple"

 

We've seen this with literally every other MPG who ruled the charts before, you'd think their fans would at least be a bit more understanding

 

[Peak Now]

2 minutes ago, Dear Reader said:

This happens with Swifties too. They'll say we're not "able to take criticism" because we don't agree with Fantano's views of the album 

"Why do Swifties not agree that TTPD is the worst collection of auditory nuisance ever created and belongs on the garbage island in the middle of the Pacific? Literal cult behaviour."

[Enrique523]

1 hour ago, Dear Reader said:

This happens with Swifties too. They'll say we're not "able to take criticism" because we don't agree with Fantano's views of the album 

Are those "Swifties" really not able to see that Fantano has obvious bias against her? I'm pretty sure he talked about "professional victimhood" about this album, which immediately makes that ass*ole lose all credibility 

[Enrique523]

1 hour ago, AndThenTheCocaine said:

It's almost as if when an MPG is at the top of her game the usual suspects come out of the woodwork to hate her because it now makes them "cool" and "not like the other sheeple"

 

We've seen this with literally every other MPG who ruled the charts before, you'd think their fans would at least be a bit more understanding

 

I remember how hateful people were toward Adele during her reign at the top, so many people called her overrated and boring. Now suddenly she's a "real artist" with "real talent" unlike Taylor apparently 

[Cleanromantic]

I know people say it just to have some hate-filled gotcha moment, but I think the most asinine take I've been seeing is "Taylor needs Liz Rose to edit her songs" when, apparent from All too well, she hadn't worked with her since 2008 . I know they're doing it caise it's a way to make her artistic choice to be wordy on this album like a failure, when she's done both wordy and succinct songwriting since 2008. It also speaks to people blocking out years of her career and pretending she debuted in 2022 to cope with the fact she's dominating 20 years in when people they love fell off 5 years in . 

[Peak Now]

2 minutes ago, Enrique523 said:

I remember how hateful people were toward Adele during her reign at the top, so many people called her overrated and boring. Now suddenly she's a "real artist" with "real talent" unlike Taylor apparently 

Exactly lmao

 

And don't get me started on how everyone was perfectly fine with using chart positions and streams to praise their fave/drag other artists until Taylor started outperforming everyone else after the Eras Tour started 

 

Or how "comparing charts/streams" has literally been the modus operandi of stan Twitter and every pop culture forum since the Internet existed-- what do you think the "TRL" in ATRL stands for  

Edited June 18, 2024 by AndThenTheCocaine

[Dear Reader]

3 minutes ago, Enrique523 said:

Are those "Swifties" really not able to see that Fantano has obvious bias against her? I'm pretty sure he talked about "professional victimhood" about this album, which immediately makes that ass*ole lose all credibility 

I might not have explained myself well. I was trying to say that the hypocrisy and double standards are applied to our fandom. We can never counter argument them, cause it's seen as "not being able to take criticism" when we give very valid points, for the most part. But it's as someone has said before, no matter how hard you try, they're not trying to hear you. 

[Cleanromantic]

3 minutes ago, Enrique523 said:

Are those "Swifties" really not able to see that Fantano has obvious bias against her? I'm pretty sure he talked about "professional victimhood" about this album, which immediately makes that ass*ole lose all credibility 

Fantano never liked her and when he gave her 7s it was obvious he was just doing it for the narrative cause she was getting her flowers from the critics. He's been yapping about her so much lately on socials to farm engagement because he knows people who hate her are unhinged and would consume anything disparaging towars her. 

[Dear Reader]

2 minutes ago, Cleanromantic said:

Fantano never liked her and when he gave her 7s it was obvious he was just doing it for the narrative cause she was getting her flowers from the critics. He's been yapping about her so much lately on socials to farm engagement because he knows people who hate her are unhinged and would consume anything disparaging towars her. 

Go look at his reviews, he will just copy whatever the Twitter narrative is that week. 

[Peak Now]

I finally lost all hope in Fantano when he said Taylor was copying Ariana because apparently she invented sticking with your flop boyfriend 

[Mandalore]

Atrl is a lot more fun when you realize people are never gonna argue with you about Taylor in good faith. Only engage if you're willing to take the piss but I sincerely hope none of y'all are seriously trying to reason with these losers 

[Cleanromantic]

Spoiler

The funniest thing here is that she blocked Charlie without needing the digital versions. Her doing 35k without them and blocking the other's 27k debut is why I wish her team didn't panic often, cause now the haters are clinging to the digital releases for dear life when they have nothing to stand. Same as her only needing two voice memos to block Billie. 

 

[Cleanromantic]

1 minute ago, Mandalore said:

Atrl is a lot more fun when you realize people are never gonna argue with you about Taylor in good faith. Only engage if you're willing to take the piss but I sincerely hope none of y'all are seriously trying to reason with these losers 

Spoiler

I think they're this unhinged because they're so insecure about who they stan. We have to understand that atrl is one of the only internet bubbles where you can say you stan certain girls without getting laughed at, so they feel like swifites are infringing on their personal space because unlike their faves, Taylor is actually beloved and known outside of small internet pockets.

 

[Enrique523]

1 hour ago, Cleanromantic said:

It also speaks to people blocking out years of her career and pretending she debuted in 2022 to cope with the fact she's dominating 20 years in when people they love fell off 5 years in . 

This right there is by far the most hilarious thing to me. I've said it SO many times in the past but i noticed that OTHs have weirdly been ignoring her for so many years, as if they didn't consider her a "real" pop girl the way their faves were. Back in 2008-2014 when people were talking about who the current Pop Queen was they talked about Gaga, Rihanna, Katy, even Miley () but NEVER about Taylor, as if she didn't exist.

 

But now that she's absolutely DOMINATING and cannot be ignored anymore, they have to face the reality of her entire massive career and the reality of the numbers she's been stacking since the late 00s and they just CAN'T DEAL WITH IT, even to this day. They have to make up more and more insane conspiracy theories to convince themselves that she's somehow not the reigning Queen of Pop of the 21th century, that their faves really are bigger than her when they obviously aren't 

Edited June 18, 2024 by Enrique523

[Cleanromantic]

Funnily enough, the only time Fantano was fair towards her is in his Lover review . I think he felt like she's on her way out so he finally decided to stop hating her cause she's popular/ the biggesf artist.