celeb news HDD: Taylor Swift is the most dominating artist "since the heyday of The Beatles"

[Space Cowboy]

5 minutes ago, Uzumaki. said:

Yeah, god forbid we don't give a few white men with hideous bowl cuts credit for something they didn't invent.

Of course they did not invent it, i was being hyperbolic. No one specifically created pop music, it was a diverse combination of the contributions of many musicians from many different backgrounds.

 

Still, dismissing the Beatles impact on pop music emphasizing their race is absolutely laughable . The Beatles undeniably transformed the music industry with their innovative tunes, songwriting, and mass appeal. And their impact can still be felt in today's music more than any other artist. 

[Finkypop]

ATRL hates to see that she's the biggest artist of all time. This album release is gonna be iconique to experience 

 

[FailSafe]

Not since Madonna, not even MJ- but since THE BEATLES aka the most successful mainstream musicians of the Modern Era. THE female Beatles. 

 

 

[Rence]

Not the essays in here

 

 

Next week will be very exciting

 

[Superbitch]

The music industry is so dry and boring nowadays 

[Bends]

Well-deserved.

[Gorjesspazze9]

She is since 2002. 

[WildHeart]

2 hours ago, Cbreezy said:

The nearest thing to that is a Beyonce

Taylor has bigger reach than Beyonce in every corner of the world. People in Asia or LATAM (except Brazil) don't care about Beyonce. There is a reason why she can't tour outside of US + Europe. 

Stop comparing Beyonce to the most global artist in the world... 

 

Only a week after Cowboy Carter's release

 

But sure, she is nearest thing to MJ 

Edited April 16, 2024 by WildHeart

[By the Water]

The fumes already 

 

This next week will be so much fun 

[Mr.X]

All this success and she is still ******* pish

 

 

[Thor]

well yeah its only fitting since both represent white mediocrity to the highest degree.

[byzantium]

4 hours ago, Cruel Summer said:

I love when articles like this come out since there are so many people on here who try their best every day to deny it or make excuses about it 

 

In the US, at least, I no longer think it's a stretch to argue she might even be bigger, or at least on her way since they have a forty-something year head start.

In the US she is currently the 3rd bestselling artist of all time.  She has a decent ways to go to reach the Beatles, but she will very likely get to #2 which would make the title of "biggest artist SINCE the Beatles" accurate.

[Cruel Summer]

2 minutes ago, byzantium said:

In the US she is currently the 3rd bestselling artist of all time.  She has a decent ways to go to reach the Beatles, but she will very likely get to #2 which would make the title of "biggest artist SINCE the Beatles" accurate.

I wouldn't be surprised if she's already #2 by total Billboard points. That's the big one I want her to take one day, since sales are hard to compare across such large time scales even with the help of album equivalent units - I think a few years ago it looked like she could get to #1 by around 2030, but that was before the ridiculous success she's had since Midnights released. 

[CécredSpaces]

5 hours ago, Mdawg said:

oh you've heard the album? don't be shy to post a full review!!

I heard it with him.

 

My review is that it sounds like typical Taylor Swift. 90% of it is cheerleader-y type stuff that she always does, peppered with victimhood narratives. I was blinded by blandness.

[Damien M]

A reach. She's not bigger than Michael Jackson or even peak Madonna. She's more like a Whitney Houston, but with no cultural crossover appeal to black or Hispanic audiences.
 

She's maintained her success for longer and has better touring stats though.

[Cbreezy]

1 hour ago, WildHeart said:

Taylor has bigger reach than Beyonce in every corner of the world. People in Asia or LATAM (except Brazil) don't care about Beyonce. There is a reason why she can't tour outside of US + Europe. 

Stop comparing Beyonce to the most global artist in the world... 

 

Only a week after Cowboy Carter's release

 

But sure, she is nearest thing to MJ 

All jokes aside, this is why I sometimes get annoyed with myself for even entertaining  this discourse. Some of y'll simply do not have the range or cultural nuance to engage on the matter. Especially if you are limiting the sum of what I wrote to the "Beyonce" part. That is the least relevant aspect.

 

i truly value the idea of taking oneself out of themselves to understand other perspectives. And it's just lush when others do the same. 
 

So many in stan land stay reeling off stats as if it's the **only** metric to measure **cultural impact** which is very dizzy and dense IMO.

 

Do you think MJ did Thriller numbers every time? Do you not realise other people were doing bigger numbers than him from like Bad onwards? Did that make them the King or dilute the tangible Pop cultural reign that he had over everything and everyone? Did it change the game changing trajectory of his videos? Did it change his spot as the blueprint for basically most of the artists they came after him? No!
 

I legit respect most takes and the right to different opinions, but sometimes just sometimes…think outside of your immediate norm or perspective. It can be…illuminating. 
 

Spoiler

And because the Beyonce part clearly bothers some of yall, I'll indulge in a very verbatim way.

 

Notice how when Bey drops, everyone, everywhere (yourselves included) sit up and pay attention - even if to hate. 
 

I can tell you for free that Black people en masse and most Urban loving audience (which is by and large one of the biggest genre in sales) do not care nor know a thing about a Taylor drop. That doesn't invalidate her numbers. She's a mega seller factually. What I'm communicating is the reality that some of yall in her bubble don't get…an over concentration of success in one lane will never (truly) allow her to be on par with acts (yes, even those who holistically sell less) that pop culturally appeal to a much broader and all-encompassing base.

 

Edited April 16, 2024 by Cbreezy

[rihannafan]

1 hour ago, WildHeart said:

Taylor has bigger reach than Beyonce in every corner of the world. People in Asia or LATAM (except Brazil) don't care about Beyonce. There is a reason why she can't tour outside of US + Europe. 

Stop comparing Beyonce to the most global artist in the world... 

 

Only a week after Cowboy Carter's release

 

But sure, she is nearest thing to MJ 

How can you say she has a bigger reach in every corner in the world when your own image shows that are some corners of the world where that is not true?

[WildHeart]

6 minutes ago, rihannafan said:

How can you say she has a bigger reach in every corner in the world when your own image shows that are some corners of the world where that is not true?

 

1 hour ago, WildHeart said:

Only a week after Cowboy Carter's release

As of today, Taylor outstreams in the US, Brazil, UK, France and Germany etc. too. I actually don't think Beyonce has more streams in any country right now and it has been only 2 weeks since she released her album... 

 

26 minutes ago, Cbreezy said:

All jokes aside, this is why I sometimes get annoyed with myself for even entertaining  this discourse. Some of y'll simply do not have the range or cultural nuance to engage on the matter. Especially if you are limiting the sum of what I wrote to the "Beyonce" part. That is the least relevant aspect.

 

i truly value the idea of taking oneself out of themselves to understand other perspectives. And it's just lush when others do the same. 
 

So many in stan land stay reeling off stats as if it's the **only** metric to measure **cultural impact** which is very dizzy and dense IMO.

 

Do you think MJ did Thriller numbers every time? Do you not realise other people were doing bigger numbers than him from like Bad onwards? Did that make them the King or dilute the tangible Pop cultural reign that he had over everything and everyone? Did it change the game changing trajectory of his videos? Did it change his spot as the blueprint for basically most of the artists they came after him? No!
 

I legit respect most takes and the right to different opinions, but sometimes just sometimes…think outside of your immediate norm or perspective. It can be…illuminating. 
 

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And because the Beyonce part clearly bothers some of yall, I'll indulge in a very verbatim way.

 

Notice how when Bey drops, everyone, everywhere (yourselves included) sit up and pay attention - even if to hate. 
 

I can tell you for free that Black people en masse and most Urban loving audience (which is by and large one of the biggest genre in sales) do not care nor know a thing about a Taylor drop. That doesn't invalidate her numbers. She's a mega seller factually. What I'm communicating is the reality that some of yall in her bubble don't get…an over concentration of success in one lane will never (truly) allow her to be on par with acts (yes, even those who holistically sell less) that pop culturally appeal to a much broader and all-encompassing base.

 

Michael Jackson is the highest selling solo artist of all time. His numbers reflected his cultural currency. He has the biggest album of all time. People compare her to MJ just because... she is a performer too. People didn't claim MJ as the king of pop because of his dance skills, he was the biggest artist of all time. Beyonce is not... 

[Raiden]

2 hours ago, WildHeart said:

Taylor has bigger reach than Beyonce in every corner of the world. People in Asia or LATAM (except Brazil) don't care about Beyonce. There is a reason why she can't tour outside of US + Europe. 

Stop comparing Beyonce to the most global artist in the world... 

 

Only a week after Cowboy Carter's release

 

But sure, she is nearest thing to MJ 

 

as expected the original baddies (Axis powers) are pro Taylor Swift, while Beyonce is supreme among leaders of the free world.

[byzantium]

4 minutes ago, Raiden said:

as expected the original baddies (Axis powers) are pro Taylor Swift, while Beyonce is supreme among leaders of the free world.

*Sees the US shaded orange*…are you sure about that?  

[Raiden]

Just now, byzantium said:

*Sees the US shaded orange*…are you sure about that?  

 

 

 

 

I know — that's why I specified "original baddies" (a reference to WW2).

 

Obviously since then times have changed. There's no longer a clear cut good vs bad kinda situation in great power politics. Which brings me back to the topic at hand: the Beatles were not just famous for their commercial success (like the superficial article seems to insinuate). In fact commercialism wasn't their primary identity at all, altho privately they made sure to take care of their business. The Beatles were artists with a message. A story to tell. To preach to the youth. Yup, in modern day parlance they'd be called "woke" a thousand times. Taylor Swift is the exact opposite. She has nothing to preach even to the extent of Bey and Gaga, never mind Beatles. In fact she is neutral and inoffensive to the point of being "child proof". The Beatles were subversive to the point of being labeled dangerous by boomer-equivalents of their era, leading to some of their music being mass-banned by radio stations. Has any Taylor Swift song being banned anywhere? (outside the usual areas like Taliban-ruled Afghanistan)?

[1989]

 

I'm sorry but this is sending me 

[rihannafan]

2 hours ago, WildHeart said:

 

As of today, Taylor outstreams in the US, Brazil, UK, France and Germany etc. too. I actually don't think Beyonce has more streams in any country right now and it has been only 2 weeks since she released her album... 

 

Michael Jackson is the highest selling solo artist of all time. His numbers reflected his cultural currency. He has the biggest album of all time. People compare her to MJ just because... she is a performer too. People didn't claim MJ as the king of pop because of his dance skills, he was the biggest artist of all time. Beyonce is not... 

Is Africa, especially subsaharan Africa, not a corner of the world?

[jdanton2]

Taylor releases 2 or 3 albums a year which is why . MJ was bigger at his peak  but he would go years between albums. 

[byzantium]

6 minutes ago, jdanton2 said:

Taylor releases 2 or 3 albums a year which is why . MJ was bigger at his peak  but he would go years between albums. 

Good for him.  Maybe you should write HDD a letter to let them know.