artist stats Taylor passes Celine, #2 best selling female [CM]

[Jjang]

#1 (=) Madonna - 249,583,000

#2(+1) Taylor Swift - 200,099,000

#3 (-1) Celine Dion - 200,015,000

 

Source: https://chartmasters.org/best-selling-artists-of-all-time/

[PoisonedIvy]

While CM is purely hypothetical, there's no doubt Taylor is on an upward trajectory unlike any other female artist at this point in their career before. I'm sure her record sales will eventually land her right below or above Madonna, and that is something worth applauding.  

 

In a perfect world she'd replace The Beatles, but that's far fetched 

[PoisonedIvy]

Inb4 the people who cling to the past.
 

"Movies gross more now because the population increased / you can just press play from your house!!” is something you never hear, but music fans just can't seem to accept the arrow of time.

[Aramis]

[byzantium]

This is basically confirming what we already know .

[Jjang]

1 minute ago, byzantium said:

This is basically confirming what we already know .

I know, now it's just "official" that Taylor passed Celine. 

[byzantium]

1 minute ago, Jjang said:

I know, now it's just "official" that Taylor passed Celine. 

Yeah. I was just saying that for the inevitable people that come in here and say, "Chartmasters is fake and using made up numbers.”  

[chiliam]

She will come for Madonna in no time.

Say what you want about the chart method, but fact and figure, no artists in history can be that dominated at their 10th album, and TS11 TS12 TS13 is also guarantee success already. 

[Strawberry Bubble]

I'm not very well-versed on this: is it legitimate to mix streaming numbers with total sales? 

 

Anyway, congratulations Taylor!

[constantinople]

55 minutes ago, PoisonedIvy said:

While CM is purely hypothetical, there's no doubt Taylor is on an upward trajectory unlike any other female artist at this point in their career before. I'm sure her record sales will eventually land her right below or above Madonna, and that is something worth applauding.  

 

In a perfect world she'd replace The Beatles, but that's far fetched 

I don't know why people are reacting negatively with what you said. It's a fact ChartMasters' EAS calculations are abstract and hypothetical since there isn't a global standard calculation of how many streams or digital downloads are needed to sell a copy.

Edited April 7 by constantinople

[byzantium]

5 minutes ago, Strawberry Bubble said:

is it legitimate to mix streaming numbers with total sales? 

Good question.  Why don't you ask every single major official chart organization?  Quite honestly this is only really a "debate" amongst fans of older gen pop stars who want to hold onto metrics where their fav will never be surpassed.

[State of Grace.]

The day she officially passes Madonna on CM (it's inevitable and happening soon atp) will be a literal stan twitter/atrl taypoclaypse 

 

[tshwark]

Congrats to Tay, I wonder if we'll ever experience again the level of domination Celine had with Falling into you, Titanic and Let's talk about love, it was insane, y guess 25 was the last era to had that level of destruction.

Edited April 7 by tshwark

[Tropez]

To be doing this at point in her career is solid proof shes the biggest artist of all time. Because she has tons of albums left to release. I can see her reaching 300 million in five years. 

[byzantium]

15 minutes ago, tshwark said:

Congrats to Tay, I wonder if we'll ever experience again the level of domination Celine had with Falling into you, Titanic and Let's talk about love, it was insane, y guess 25 was the last era to had that level of destruction.

The only thing that could have rivaled it was if Adele released 25 in 2012 right after 21 and also sang the theme song to the Avengers.  

[DLW]

1 hour ago, PoisonedIvy said:

While CM is purely hypothetical, there's no doubt Taylor is on an upward trajectory unlike any other female artist at this point in their career before. I'm sure her record sales will eventually land her right below or above Madonna, and that is something worth applauding.  

 

In a perfect world she'd replace The Beatles, but that's far fetched 

Fully delulu

[Taylena]

Madonna right now:

 

 

 

[DLW]

1 hour ago, byzantium said:

Yeah. I was just saying that for the inevitable people that come in here and say, "Chartmasters is fake and using made up numbers.”  

Well, the chart is based on a made up numbers. The methodology is made by himself only, not acknowledged by any official chart in the world and let aside billboard.

[FolkLover1989]

4 minutes ago, DLW said:

Well, the chart is based on a made up numbers. The methodology is made by himself only, not acknowledged by any official chart in the world and let aside billboard.

His numbers every year with IFPI charts

He must be doing something right

 

If you can give us better source do give. 

[SoundsandSongs]

36 minutes ago, byzantium said:

Good question.  Why don't you ask every single major official chart organization?  Quite honestly this is only really a "debate" amongst fans of older gen pop stars who want to hold onto metrics where their fav will never be surpassed.

 

43 minutes ago, Strawberry Bubble said:

I'm not very well-versed on this: is it legitimate to mix streaming numbers with total sales? 

 

Anyway, congratulations Taylor!

Agreed, while Charmasters formula isnt perfect and guessing & stan biases creep in, streams and digital song sales are legitimate forms of consumption and definetly contribute to how big a discography is.

 

The most common conversion method for song sales and streams I see is 1500 streams = one album sale and 10 song sales = one album sale. I think that's pretty reasonable, most people who bought albums in the past would not have played a full album of 15 songs more than 100 times except stans.

[Taemira]

Kudos to Swifties for streaming her music non-stop even when they're sleeping. However My Heart Will Go On still remains the bigger classic than Taylor's entire catalog.

[wastedpotential]

Given that TTPD is bound to generate at least a few global million units in its first few weeks (on top of the discography boost it will cause), I fear Eminem with 212.3M is at risk of losing his title as the most successful 21st century artist by the end of next month 

[NEX]

48 minutes ago, Tropez said:

To be doing this at point in her career is solid proof shes the biggest artist of all time. Because she has tons of albums left to release. I can see her reaching 300 million in five years. 

More like in 2 years. She'll pass Madonna next year and Queen in 2026 probably. By the end of the decade she should be #2 behind the Beatles. This is just a projection based on her current and past performance. This is not my opinion (before people start getting mad here) 

[byzantium]

26 minutes ago, DLW said:

Well, the chart is based on a made up numbers. The methodology is made by himself only, not acknowledged by any official chart in the world and let aside billboard.

And yet they closely track with official charts whenever their numbers are released.  Explain that. 

[TedMiracle]

Streams really are doing wonders.