family.guy123 Posted April 4 Posted April 4 (edited) If you think Smack Into You is such a good song why don't you just listen to that version? Give the artist, who you care about, some streams to replace all the money Beyoncé has been stealing all these years. She's been hacking into his account and literally just e-transfering herself his money. The password to his account is "beyoncèisathief" Edited April 4 by family.guy123 1
Khal Posted April 4 Posted April 4 She's super talented in other areas, so it's not that much of an issue for me. And if the songwriters are fine with it, Save your ire for the ones who are actually not good at anything- vocals, instruments, performing, writing 1
Kool_Aid_King Posted April 4 Posted April 4 Biggest lie being perpetuated in this thread is that Beyoncé doesn't write her lyrics at all. She wrote majority of Destiny's Child's first three albums, as confirmed by the groupmates & producers. LeToya, LaTavia & Kelly have said NUMEROUS times that she will be writing lyrics nonstop. Going, going & going. Even in DIL, she wrote majority of those lyrics, even on Gift from Virgo, she's the sole writer (there is a sample on it though). She gets sent a million songs and she adds her own spin to them. What y'all want her to do? Y'all keep perpetuating this evil idea of this woman as some nasty thief who forces people to work for her and steal all the credits. She credits everyone involved, and so many people have thanked her for that. Glad MNEK is supporting her cause he's right. That's why her albums are so rich and sonically interesting to me. Love how all the ideas mesh with her vision. She's such a talent 1
Chris Posted April 4 Posted April 4 Again, why do people care about who writes the song or how many writers? If the song is good, then it's good regardless of how many writers. If the song is bad and it has 2 writers, then what? Hm? 2 2
ATRL Moderator feelslikeadream Posted April 4 ATRL Moderator Posted April 4 3 hours ago, Shelter said: Omg how embarrassing for @feelslikeadream crying about Jon's credits when he didn't write it. Maybe do your research. I'd delete my account after that Imagine deleting your account over that. Work on that self-esteem, buddy This is, unsurprisingly, a perfect illustration of how y'all will point at anything else while not acknowledging the actual issue at hand. That to me is far more embarrassing than my writing she stole "from Jon M" rather than "for the Jon M song"
LOTF Posted April 4 Posted April 4 2 hours ago, AxelFox said: Would you mind elaborating on this because I fail to follow the logic behind it all. Most of her songs fall in the 4-5 songwriters bracket if you exclude samples, which is pretty standard for all of the pop girls. The difference is is that Beyonce likes to work with a different array of people. So whereas someone would work with mostly the same 4-5 other people on multiple songs then pick what they like for an album at the end, beyonce works with different people for different songs then at the end she picks what she likes and makes the necessary changes to have them all work together. It's not like 50+ people worked on each and every song. If anything, this moreso proves her artistry because she manages to curate these well crafter and cohesive bodies of work despite not having a select group of people working closely together making sure everything stays consistent. Or are you implying the artistry, vision and execution of Cowboy Carter is the merit of one of the 5 writers on Texas Hold Em? Or is it one of the 4 writers on Riverdance responsible for how amazing the album turned out? If that is the case where are these people's acclaimed bodies of work? It's very clear the element that ties everything in together is Beyonce and to deny the fact that she is the main driving factor behind how good her albums actually are is being extremely disingenuous. If Beyonce does not have much artistry because she writes songs with other people that neither does any girl that has more then one other person credited on her tracks. Oop, decimate them haters! 1
Lovett Posted April 4 Posted April 4 1 hour ago, feelslikeadream said: This is, unsurprisingly, a perfect illustration of how y'all will point at anything else while not acknowledging the actual issue at hand. That to me is far more embarrassing than my writing she stole "from Jon M" rather than "for the Jon M song" The issue at hand being that your sole example for this narrative turned out to be categorically false? Sounds pretty embarrassing to me.
The 1 Posted April 4 Posted April 4 The way Beyoncé can't make her own music from scratch is not a good look for a so-called Queen. Hives keep dragging Nicki; at least, she can write her own songs.
The 1 Posted April 4 Posted April 4 6 hours ago, Chris said: Again, why do people care about who writes the song or how many writers? If the song is good, then it's good regardless of how many writers. If the song is bad and it has 2 writers, then what? Hm? Nothing is wrong with that. What is wrong is claiming you wrote a song, but you just changed "he" to "she." That is wrong.
Lovett Posted April 4 Posted April 4 1 hour ago, The 1 said: Hives keep dragging Nicki; at least, she can write her own songs. Shame they're all absolutely abysmal. 1 hour ago, The 1 said: Nothing is wrong with that. What is wrong is claiming you wrote a song, but you just changed "he" to "she." That is wrong. Something Beyoncé has never done, no matter how many times stan Twitter tries to convince themselves otherwise.
chiliam Posted April 4 Posted April 4 To claim what Beyonce is doing with cordinating a team of writter (which we not even sure she cordinate by herself or other people do that) is harder than artists who write an entire song by themselves is wild. The results sometimes is amazing so it doesnt matter though.
Jay07 Posted April 4 Posted April 4 1 hour ago, The 1 said: The way Beyoncé can't make her own music from scratch is not a good look for a so-called Queen. Hives keep dragging Nicki; at least, she can write her own songs. Since when is the requirement that to be on top, you need to make your album alone from scratch? Who of the megastars makes their album from scratch alone? Madonna? Lady Gaga? Ariana? Is it the number of writers? That instead of 2, there's 4? Who else is producing these amazing, culture defining, highly acclaimed albums if it's so easy to assemble a team and have them do it for you? Jesus, this grasping at straws to have something negative to say about this immensely talented, hardworking woman. She's the best of the best. Deal with it.
BnPac Posted April 4 Posted April 4 21 hours ago, feelslikeadream said: I'm talking about ASCAP writing credits, which determines royalties. She is listed as a writer on the ASCAP database, and given that we have Jon's version to listen to, we can hear how the only lyrical change is the "smash" and the only change in arrangement is the addition of some ad libs. I understand that Beyonce fans regularly argue that she deserves "arrangement" credits because she ad libs or changes one note in a melody, but this is NOT how most artists operate. Whitney Houston, Kelly Clarkson, and other vocalists do the same type of thing on top of a track they're handed, and they don't get writing credits on ASCAP. This is a pretty straightforward case where you can hear the demo, hear Bey's version, and acknowledge it's sketchy and unusual that she be listed as a WRITER—in lyrics OR musical arrangement. And rather than acknowledge that, for some reason y'all are always scrambling to pretend it's the norm. Give it up As MNEK said, using songwriter camps is perfectly fine and a lot of people use them. But a lot of people also use them and don't include themselves as a writer. We don't know how much Beyonce contributed to each and every song she's credited on, but it's perfectly fair to question if her contributions are substantive or if she's slapping her name on the song for money, awards, etc. It's funny to me how you completely high jacked the thread by talking about something that is not even talked about in/by the OP. That person implied that it's not normal to have many songwriters when you're creative. A Swiftie too I suppose. The tweet was implying that a song or album with a lot of writers is not and can not be creative. None of what you made your post history in the thread about for brownies' point by haters. John didn't write that song, so there's no reason to assume that his version is even the demo. None. The Dream has worked closely with Beyoncé for 2 decades, has praised her immense talent and involvement more times than most. You do not have any proof she changed just that. There are plenty of examples of Bey working and giving tips for songs that she plans to use and those songs going to other artists and she doesn't reclaim credit for that. You making a compete tangent on what was actually discussed on the OP and claimed that the "real issue" was something completely different just out of need to discredit Beyoncé's talent and contribution is wild. It's also funny how you guys think having so many writers is bad because it means she has zero contributions but you don't seem to hold other writers who appear in her songs to the same standard. If there are 10 writers, does that mean the other 9 writers are also just contributing to just one word, are not very involved, have no creativity too or is that just reserved to Beyoncé?
BnPac Posted April 4 Posted April 4 If it was so easy to do what she does and to have the vision that she has, it would be very easy for others to creative the masterpieces that she has created. If her involvement was so little, all her albums will not have her signature sound although she works with different teams and writers each time.
Tudors Posted April 4 Posted April 4 1 hour ago, The 1 said: The way Beyoncé can't make her own music from scratch is not a good look for a so-called Queen. Hives keep dragging Nicki; at least, she can write her own songs. Nicki Minaj is untalented and her music is terrible. Have you ever seen her perform live? Your stomach will hurt from laughing so hard. Beyonce is queen 👑
Chris Posted April 5 Posted April 5 5 hours ago, The 1 said: Hives keep dragging Nicki; at least, she can write her own songs Yeah with 50 other writers like Beyonce. Did you not see the Pink Friday 2 credits?
Chris Posted April 5 Posted April 5 5 hours ago, The 1 said: she can write her own songs. I didn't know she sang. I thought she rapped or whatever....
Chris Posted April 5 Posted April 5 Also no one makes their album from "scratch" all by themselves. People use co-writers, instrumentalists, engineers, mixers, assisting engineers, and etc.... So....
TROJAN Posted April 5 Posted April 5 11 hours ago, Chris said: Again, why do people care about who writes the song or how many writers? If the song is good, then it's good regardless of how many writers. If the song is bad and it has 2 writers, then what? Hm? This isn't how it works.
Adivnoir Posted April 5 Posted April 5 11 hours ago, feelslikeadream said: Imagine deleting your account over that. Work on that self-esteem, buddy This is, unsurprisingly, a perfect illustration of how y'all will point at anything else while not acknowledging the actual issue at hand. That to me is far more embarrassing than my writing she stole "from Jon M" rather than "for the Jon M song" What is the actual issue at hand?
The 1 Posted April 5 Posted April 5 4 hours ago, Tudors said: Nicki Minaj is untalented and her music is terrible. Have you ever seen her perform live? Your stomach will hurt from laughing so hard. Beyonce is queen 👑 Nicki is trending all over twitter because of her sold out tour, deal with it.
The 1 Posted April 5 Posted April 5 48 minutes ago, Chris said: I didn't know she sang. I thought she rapped or whatever.... Raps are songs also lol
The 1 Posted April 5 Posted April 5 50 minutes ago, Chris said: Yeah with 50 other writers like Beyonce. Did you not see the Pink Friday 2 credits? The difference is Nicki don't steal writing credits
The 1 Posted April 5 Posted April 5 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Chris said: Also no one makes their album from "scratch" all by themselves. People use co-writers, instrumentalists, engineers, mixers, assisting engineers, and etc.... So.... These people you mentioned are on the production side of a song, not the composition/songwriting side lol. You need to write your own song first hence I said starting from scratch, which Beyonce can't do. Edited April 5 by The 1
Chris Posted April 5 Posted April 5 6 minutes ago, The 1 said: You need to write your own song first hence I said starting from scratch, which Beyonce can't do. Then who can? Who wrote songs in recent memory (not from back in the days) by themselves with NO cowriter?
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