celeb news The girls are fighting: Cardi B vs Ice Spice & Raymonte

[45seconds]

Cardi's response was immaculate and kind of shows the difference in status between them because Cardi and Nicki can go back and forth for hours but it took one read to shut ice down quickly 

[hallucinate]

 

[cousin_skeeter]

49 minutes ago, Karla Cabello said:

a lot of dominicans are black even if they don't want to admit it 

That may be true. But I'm not going to force someone to claim something they don't want to. 

[May]

53 minutes ago, dinorhino said:

Yea that was my interpretation of the entire thing and I'm still confused how she thought posting those pictures was a clapback when Cardi just walked her like a dog and told her to stay in a fan's place while Ice was trying to throw stones at her for no reason lmao 

what? Posting the pics wasn't a 'clap back', she posted them bc cardi asked on the tweet for her to send the pics they took together at the event  they were BOTH saying that they're cool w each other

[dinorhino]

14 minutes ago, May said:

what? Posting the pics wasn't a 'clap back', she posted them bc cardi asked on the tweet for her to send the pics they took together at the event  they were BOTH saying that they're cool w each other

Ice Spice's response prior to the picture amidst the argument was very shady and she was very clearly trying to throw stones and Cardi seemingly asked her for the picture to remind her that she can be a brat online but she's just another fan in real life

[Maroonx]

Nicki and the Barbz must be fuming rn 

[May]

23 minutes ago, dinorhino said:

Ice Spice's response prior to the picture amidst the argument was very shady and she was very clearly trying to throw stones and Cardi seemingly asked her for the picture to remind her that she can be a brat online but she's just another fan in real life

i can see how u would interpret that with ur stan goggles on, but the actual realistic scenario is that cardi asked for her to send the pics in a way to say 'this isnt a drag, love you, send us the pics we took together!' 

[ImpressMeMuch]

3 minutes ago, May said:

i can see how u would interpret that with ur stan goggles on, but the actual realistic scenario is that cardi asked for her to send the pics in a way to say 'this isnt a drag, love you, send us the pics we took together!' 

yeah - everyone involved from the barbz to the bg are reading way too far into this and thinking its something its not 

[FailSafe]

I think rap girls de-escalating and not making a mountain out of a molehill such trivial thing quickly is a foreign concept for some particular fanbase/s

 

Edited April 4, 2024 by FailSafe

[dinorhino]

7 minutes ago, May said:

i can see how u would interpret that with ur stan goggles on, but the actual realistic scenario is that cardi asked for her to send the pics in a way to say 'this isnt a drag, love you, send us the pics we took together!' 

Cardi and Ice Spice make at best mediocre music and I like Nicki's way more but I'm not a fan of either let alone a stan

 

I'm just commenting what I think makes sense. You don't have to agree but don't be a dense and assume everyone who disagrees with you is a stan

[professor2000]

9 minutes ago, May said:

i can see how u would interpret that with ur stan goggles on, but the actual realistic scenario is that cardi asked for her to send the pics in a way to say 'this isnt a drag, love you, send us the pics we took together!' 

For an event that was three weeks ago?  She just now wanting to post it? 
 

And if she was cool, why didn't she just text to ask for the pics? 

Idk…it's giving nice-nasty, and I'm not a stan of either of them.

[Rosenda]

30 minutes ago, May said:

i can see how u would interpret that with ur stan goggles on, but the actual realistic scenario is that cardi asked for her to send the pics in a way to say 'this isnt a drag, love you, send us the pics we took together!' 

she was calling her a fan in a very shady way, you must be 12 lol

This didnt escalate any further because Ice stopped it but had she answered back the same way we would have a 40 pages megathread right now

Edited April 4, 2024 by Rosenda

[May]

9 minutes ago, Rosenda said:

you must be 12 lol

ur on a forum creating and hyping up beef that simply isn't there between two women who would walk right past u in the street  

[dinorhino]

44 minutes ago, May said:

ur on a forum creating and hyping up beef that simply isn't there between two women who would walk right past u in the street  

Your inability to have critical thinking in this situation (and maybe in general?) doesn't dismiss the obvious that Ice Spice was throwing stones

 

No one's forcing you to care about the situation. It's not that serious. But calling out the obvious doesn't mean someone is emotionally invested in it. At best the topic is interesting. 

 

If the topic is this far out your range then you just need to exit the thread. Don't quit your day job

Edited April 4, 2024 by dinorhino

[May]

3 minutes ago, dinorhino said:

Your inability to have critical thinking in this situation (and maybe in general?) doesn't dismiss the obvious that Ice Spice was throwing stones

 

No one's forcing you to care about the situation. It's not that serious. But calling out the obvious doesn't mean someone is emotionally invested in it. At best the topic is interesting. 

 

If the topic is this far out your range then you just need to exit the thread. Don't quit your day job

are you seriously still yapping

[dinorhino]

16 minutes ago, May said:

are you seriously still yapping

You mean just like you are? All the while being daft* at the same time? 

edit: these typos sadge

Edited April 4, 2024 by dinorhino

[May]

1 hour ago, dinorhino said:

You mean just like you are? All the while being daft* at the same time? 

edit: these typos sadge

[slw84]

6 hours ago, Superbitch said:

 

 

They made certain people have panic attacks and throw tantrums online. They did THAT with one pic.

 

Cardi showing growth. Lord knows if this was 2017 chile.

[KatyPrismSpirit]

ice spice girl. you should just admit that you are a cardi b fan atp. taking pics with your own camera lmao. why did she never post those pics before cardi b called her out? like we know you like cardi b girl dont be so scared of the barbz. they are already over you anyways. we moved onto sexyy red now.

[Bhabylon]

Why do I feel like things are only gonna escalate between them from here

 

Unless they continued to settle it in the DMs, which knowing Cardi, i'm sure they did 

[Mezter]

Ms. B ate her UP. "Send that pic you took of me with YOUR camera"

[Namie-Knowles]

This thread was a whole kii and a half. No one even talking about how the drama even started or Raymonte. Just Barbz getting lashed and people having a heated discussion revolving race, ethnicity, and nationality. Mess

[REDMAN]

 

[aesthetic bih]

Oop! 

[constantinople]

On 4/3/2024 at 7:34 PM, dinorhino said:

There's so much ignorance behind this that idk how anyone is defending Ice Spice being a dumbass or the dumb Nicki stans

 

1. Cardi has every right to be mad about people who are obviously calling her Mexican not out of a mistake but to intentionally disrespect her and dissociate her from her identity and community. She's also right that people don't call her Dominican-American peers Mexican either to further show the discrepancy. If someone tells you what they are and you very clearly break their boundaries by calling them something else then you are being disrespectful. This is the same principle as misgendering. Do you people run around intentionally labelling Jamaicans as Nigerians? Puerto Ricans as Cubans? And when they correct you you still intentionally do it and you tell them they're the problem? If someone tells you what they are and you intentionally call them something else then you are being disrespectful. Y'all are NOT calling Jennifer Lopez Mexican. Bad Bunny Mexican. Rosalía Mexican. Y'all  do it as a form of disrespectful to generalise Latinos, black or otherwise. 

 

2. Ice Spice is saying "black" in reference to her parent being a Black American because in the US African-Americans/Black-Americans are simply called "black" and everyone else who's black is referred to by their specific demonym. All African-Americans are mixed as well, having a quarter or more in European ancestry too. Reality is a lot of the Black-Americans you call black wouldn't be called black outside the US and definitely not in Africa. That even includes Ice Spice's father she uses to one up Cardi for being black

Cardi's maternal side is black and from Trinidad in addition to Dominicans almost always being significantly black in ancestry regardless of phenotype. People are running up and down showing Cardi's father and showing that as proof he's not black but I can easily show miss Tina Knowles and her parents and say the same thing. Your race isn't dictated by your phenotype, because if it was Beyoncé wouldn't be black either despite her maternal lineage having very recent French ancestry and most of her maternal ancestors being half white~predominately white in ancestry. Even in spite of that Ice Spice still looks just as black as Cardi B and her sister so...what now

 

3. Some of y'all need to read a ******* book. Dominican isn't a race, it's a nationality. And virtually all Dominicans who aren't sole descendants of immigrants (i.e. Chinese Dominicans, descendants of recent immigrant Spaniards albeit DR never received meaningful amounts of European immigration anyways) all have substantial African ancestry and have been mixing primarily with Spaniards and have minor indigenous input for centuries. And furthermore have more African input from bordering Haitians and West Indians from the French and Anglo West Indies. Depending on what region you're in some people look more black some people look more mixed and others more white, but genotype =/= phenotype. There was literally a Buzzfeed ancestry test testing Afro-Latinos showing them that they're way less African than they think and it's not uncommon to see the "white Latinos" actually have more African ancestry.

 

Another point: A lot of Americans racialise being Latino when there's no genetic component to being Latino. Hell, some of you even racialise speaking Spanish.

If miss Tina Knowles was named Agnes Martins y'all from Brazil y'all wouldn't call her black anymore either even if her ancestry was the same but because y'all racialise speaking English versus speaking Spanish or even Portuguese. I've literally seen Americans say people from Spain aren't white anymore because they speak Spanish. 

 

tl;ldr: 1. If someone tells you their ethnicity and you intentionally mislabel them then you are being disrespectful and they have every right to not like being called something they aren't. 

2. Genotype =/= phenotype; how someone looks isn't indicative of what their actual ancestry is*

3. Race =/= nationality. Being Dominican does not preclude someone from being black and virtually everyone in the DR has substantial African ancestry irrespective of how "white" you think they look. Black-looking Dominicans also are plentiful as well.

4. Y'all racialise speaking Spanish or Portuguese/being Latino way too much and it's stupid. Y'all run up and down showing pictures of Cardi's family saying they aren't black and imply they can't have African ancestry but then call people who look like Lena Horne and Julez (Solange's son) black and act like they just came off a ship from the Congo when they look obviously mixed just like Cardi's immediate ancestors if not more. But if they were from Spanish-speaking/Portuguese-speaking countries they would be precluded from blackness in the US even if they look like Celia Cruz. 

 

Some of y'all are bozos

omg ended the anglos