John Slayne Posted April 5 Posted April 5 also I'm tired of moderates scolding us about "compromise" every election cycle but somehow the compromise is always in favour of the candidate they support. why couldn't y'all compromise with progressives and support Bernie? why can't YOU compromise and vote for a left-wing candidate for once? why is it always leftists and progressives that have to compromise? 🤔 it goes both ways. moderates are just as stubborn and unable to compromise if not more, which is why they project this view onto progressives. 6
nadiamendell Posted April 5 Posted April 5 The way this woman pops out of her cave every few months to say something that ultimately causes harm to the Democratic party needs to be studied. 1
Jjang Posted April 5 Posted April 5 19 hours ago, Thesedays said: Lmao, I am legit shocked at how stupid you are. Honest question: why are you discussing politics when your knowledge is literally up-to-par with a random Trump supporter who thinks Obama is a Muslim communist? Just some illustration of how ABSURDLY ignorant you are: the UK IS NOT a "multi-party country," and there has been no P.M. in the country that isn't either Labour or Conservative. Brazil is led by Luis Inacio "Lula" da Silva, currently on his third non-consecutive term and one of the biggest left-wing figures in world history. Now, ignorance does not explain you believing Pelosi -- who called ceasefire requests Chinese propaganda -- is anti-war or that she -- who famously opposes universal healthcare and receives money from healthcare lobbyists -- is a leading figure on single-payer healthcare. That's not being ignorant. That's literally living in a parallel universe. Akin to these "Obama is a Muslim communist" weirdos. That member also spent months mocking people here for calling Israeli's aggression genocidal.
Thesedays Posted April 5 Posted April 5 On 4/4/2024 at 5:58 PM, Kassi said: You don't have to quote me if insults are all you have. It probably makes you feel good, but I promise you I really don't care and won't respond in-kind. Either address the points or get out of the way. For the record, my first post in this thread was specifically about the emotional immaturity of *protest voting*. You literally were insulting someone on the post I quoted lol.
Thesedays Posted April 6 Posted April 6 On 4/4/2024 at 6:27 PM, Kassi said: And yes, I forgot that new guy replaced Bolsonaro last year. I don't follow Brazil politics like that. Regardless, he won by a slim margin. Girl, you don't even follow the US politics like that considering some of the absurds claims you made in this post lol 1 1 1
Eat The Acid Posted April 6 Posted April 6 On 4/2/2024 at 1:29 PM, Illuminati said: The lesson from 2016 defeat was that a third party vote achieved nothing and neither did the boycotts, so yes she is right. People also didn't blame enough those who didn't vote for Hillary but still complained about Trump being elected. Idiocy at its finest. How can you be this dim? 1 2
Illuminati Posted April 6 Posted April 6 1 minute ago, Eat The Acid said: Idiocy at its finest. How can you be this dim? I agree, how can people throw away their future like this 2
OnikaSlays Posted April 6 Posted April 6 I'm sorry, but extreme leftists forcing themselves not to vote or voting for a third party candidate is so dumb to me. I've said this for the past three elections, and nothing will change my mind. You might as well be selecting Trump on the ballot at that point. 2 2
Communion Posted April 6 Posted April 6 3 hours ago, OnikaSlays said: forcing themselves not to vote A plurality of Americans don't vote as opposed to voting for either Dens or the GOP. The people who vote - by the literal statistic - are in effect the ones forcing themselves to do something. 3
John Slayne Posted April 6 Posted April 6 5 hours ago, OnikaSlays said: I'm sorry, but extreme leftists forcing themselves not to vote or voting for a third party candidate is so dumb to me. I've said this for the past three elections, and nothing will change my mind. You might as well be selecting Trump on the ballot at that point. most leftists would happily vote Democrat (and many in fact do) if Democrats ran a candidate that champions progressive/leftists policies. why are leftists expected to vote for someone who effectively does nothing for them? this entitlement to someone's vote without actually doing anything for them is so dumb to me.
GraceRandolph Posted April 6 Posted April 6 5 hours ago, OnikaSlays said: I'm sorry, but extreme leftists forcing themselves not to vote or voting for a third party candidate is so dumb to me. I've said this for the past three elections, and nothing will change my mind. You might as well be selecting Trump on the ballot at that point. 1 1
OnikaSlays Posted April 6 Posted April 6 14 minutes ago, John Slayne said: most leftists would happily vote Democrat (and many in fact do) if Democrats ran a candidate that champions progressive/leftists policies. why are leftists expected to vote for someone who effectively does nothing for them? this entitlement to someone's vote without actually doing anything for them is so dumb to me. Because it's not just about you or any individual person, it's about doing what's best for the country as a whole. You can go ahead and stay home on election day or vote for someone you know has no chance of winning to prove a point, but there's going to be blood on your hands during the aftermath of Trump's inevitable win. Research Project 2025… 1 1
John Slayne Posted April 6 Posted April 6 (edited) 12 minutes ago, OnikaSlays said: Because it's not just about you or any individual person, it's about doing what's best for the country as a whole. You can go ahead and stay home on election day or vote for someone you know has no chance of winning to prove a point, but there's going to be blood on your hands during the aftermath of Trump's inevitable win. Research Project 2025… but what if someone believes what's best for the country as a whole is medicare for all, student debt forgiveness, green new deal, etc.? why should they vote for someone who will not push for those policies? that's ridiculous. do you have blood on your hands since you voted for Biden only for him to endorsing genocide in Gaza? i find blaming voters (and non-voters) for the failures of politicians and the system tired and useless. at the end of the day it's like I said above, moderates COULD also compromise and run a progressive/leftist candidate in Dem primaries but they never do and then y'all complain when progressives and leftists sit the election out. if you want someone's vote, you have to promise them something. that's how elections work. Edited April 6 by John Slayne 1
OnikaSlays Posted April 6 Posted April 6 Just now, John Slayne said: but what if someone beliefs what's best for the country as a whole is medicare for all, student debt forgiveness, green new deal, etc.? why should they vote for someone who will not push for those policies? that's ridiculous. do you have blood on your hands since you voted for Biden only for him to endorsing genocide in Gaza? i find blaming voters (and non-voters) for the failures of politicians and the system tired and useless. at the end of the day it's like I said above, moderates COULD also compromise and run a progressive/leftist candidate in Dem primaries but they never do and then y'all complain when progressives and leftists sit the election out. if you want someone's vote, you have to promise them something. that's how elections work. This is all absolutely important, and I wish democrats would've rallied behind a candidate that would've promised us these things. However, that's not the reality of this election, so we must move accordingly. It quite literally comes down to voting blue, or let the Republicans take it at this point. A second Trump term will objectively be much worse for us than Biden winning again. 2 1
GraceRandolph Posted April 6 Posted April 6 (edited) 22 minutes ago, OnikaSlays said: Because it's not just about you or any individual person, it's about doing what's best for the country as a whole. You can go ahead and stay home on election day or vote for someone you know has no chance of winning to prove a point, but there's going to be blood on your hands during the aftermath of Trump's inevitable win. Research Project 2025… So by this logic there is blood on the Biden 2020 voters hands because of what's happening in Gaza? Edited April 6 by GraceRandolph
Kassi Posted April 6 Posted April 6 22 hours ago, Thesedays said: You literally were insulting someone on the post I quoted lol. "Americans are stupid" =/= that user is stupid. I stopped replying when I realized in their next reply that they were referring to themselves. It's never that serious for me.
Kassi Posted April 6 Posted April 6 22 hours ago, Thesedays said: Girl, you don't even follow the US politics like that considering some of the absurds claims you made in this post lol The fact that you're straw-manning in every reply says enough.
Kassi Posted April 6 Posted April 6 6 hours ago, John Slayne said: but what if someone believes what's best for the country as a whole is medicare for all, student debt forgiveness, green new deal, etc.? why should they vote for someone who will not push for those policies? that's ridiculous. Because you're not voting for the next Jesus. Everyone is human and fallible. You're just voting for the person who's going to move the country closer to your stated goals. It's how Republicans held their nose up to vote in Trump and secure a 6-3 SC majority. Black people have been doing it for decades. Here's an example on the Democratic side:
Kassi Posted April 6 Posted April 6 On 4/5/2024 at 6:43 AM, John Slayne said: also I'm tired of moderates scolding us about "compromise" every election cycle but somehow the compromise is always in favour of the candidate they support. why couldn't y'all compromise with progressives and support Bernie? why can't YOU compromise and vote for a left-wing candidate for once? why is it always leftists and progressives that have to compromise? 🤔 it goes both ways. moderates are just as stubborn and unable to compromise if not more, which is why they project this view onto progressives. Primaries are for voting for who you want. The general is for voting for who won the primary. Bernie didn't get enough votes to win the primary. Otherwise, we would vote for him in the general. In the meantime, there's been a ton of collaboration and compromise with him on policy. Biden has governed as the coalition president he promised to be in 2020, taking ideas from Bernie, staff from Warren, antitrust from Klobuchar & climate from Markey/AOC. He even responded to most complaints from the left about the Obama years. And yet he's very unpopular with that crowd. That's a problem for leftist credibility. That's why nobody cares about the threats anymore. 2 2
John Slayne Posted April 6 Posted April 6 6 minutes ago, Kassi said: Biden has governed as the coalition president he promised to be in 2020, taking ideas from Bernie, Are the ideas in the room with us right now? 6 minutes ago, Kassi said: That's a problem for leftist credibility. That's why nobody cares about the threats anymore. Good luck in November then.
John Slayne Posted April 6 Posted April 6 18 minutes ago, Kassi said: Because you're not voting for the next Jesus. Everyone is human and fallible. You're just voting for the person who's going to move the country closer to your stated goals. It's how Republicans held their nose up to vote in Trump and secure a 6-3 SC majority. Black people have been doing it for decades. Here's an example on the Democratic side: Nobody is saying that the president should be Jesus or infallible, I'm just commenting on the idea that centrists and liberals expect progressives and leftists to vote for someone who does not represent their worldview. It's just ridiculous and not how elections work. Yes, candidates do and should earn their votes, they are not entitled to them. That's the point of democracy and elections. When Hillary lost that was on her and DNC for not being able to provide a better alternative to Trump. And it's going to be the same this year when Biden loses. That's why Hillary saying 'get over it' is so f*cking dumb. Like that's the thinking that lost her the election and the fact that she does not see that is crazy. But in my personal opinion she does see it but just does not care because at the end of the day Trump's presidency is not a threat to her as a wealthy white woman and it's definitely not a threat to the DNC. If anything, Trump winning is a blessing for Democrats (as f'd up as that is) because then they can ask people for more money and support and they can point finger at Trump as a reason why. 2
Thesedays Posted April 7 Posted April 7 10 hours ago, OnikaSlays said: Because it's not just about you or any individual person, it's about doing what's best for the country as a whole. You can go ahead and stay home on election day or vote for someone you know has no chance of winning to prove a point, but there's going to be blood on your hands during the aftermath of Trump's inevitable win. Research Project 2025… So you think there isn't blood in your hands for supporting a genocide? "Project 2025", something that did not happen, scares you. But an ongoing genocide with over 40k killed rn doesn't? A genocide, by the way, funded by YOUR tax dollars, so you're not even a passive observant in it. Like, the lack of self-awareness is bizarre and shows the moral corruption and complete disregard for any non-US American US liberals have. It's legit sickening. 2
Thesedays Posted April 7 Posted April 7 3 hours ago, Kassi said: The fact that you're straw-manning in every reply says enough. There are literally no straw-mans in my replies, and all your arguments have already been directly refuted. But you know, accepting that would require some critical thinking skills, awareness of the world beyond your stanning for a corrupt politician, and reading comprehension so...
OnikaSlays Posted April 7 Posted April 7 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Thesedays said: So you think there isn't blood in your hands for supporting a genocide? "Project 2025", something that did not happen, scares you. But an ongoing genocide with over 40k killed rn doesn't? A genocide, by the way, funded by YOUR tax dollars, so you're not even a passive observant in it. Like, the lack of self-awareness is bizarre and shows the moral corruption and complete disregard for any non-US American US liberals have. It's legit sickening. Yeah, this virtue signaling isn't going to work on me. Trump is openly Zionist, and told Israel to "finish the job" in Gaza. He may literally turn this into a full scale war if he gets back into office. It sucks that we're once again in the position of having to choose between the lesser of two evils, but we have to be logical about this ****. Project 2025 is a legitimate concern if Republicans are successful, as the policies they want to enact will very well affect the lives of millions. That's ultimately what's driving my vote. Edited April 7 by OnikaSlays 2
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