Kassi Posted April 4 Posted April 4 51 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: And yet people would still rather vote third party or leave the ballot blank than support Biden. In other words, "Americans are stupid" we been knew. 1 2
Bhabylon Posted April 4 Posted April 4 This stupid ***** Imagine telling people, who lost their families, had entire bloodlines wiped out in Gaza, to get over themselves 2 2
GraceRandolph Posted April 4 Posted April 4 18 minutes ago, Kassi said: In other words, "Americans are stupid" we been knew. I'd rather be stupid than a genocide apologist. 3
Kassi Posted April 4 Posted April 4 1 hour ago, Thesedays said: "She hates Netanyahu" doesn't answer the question. The Democratic primary process is hardly transparent. And well, what can I say about your claim that she supports universal healthcare? We can only speculate if it's stupidity or if you're lying to try to win an online argument. Anyways, yes, no third party won a US presidential election in 200+ years. That's cause the US isn't really a democracy and is run by a private-funded duopoly that mostly responds to their donors. Of course, voting for Biden won't change that so yeah. Her position hasn't changed in decades: end the war and establish a two state solution. She is also the main champion behind universal healthcare. The US is a (representative) democracy. It just so happens that we use a first-past-the-post (FPTP) system because it's straightforward for voters to understand: each voter selects one candidate, and the candidate with the most votes wins. Over time, this tends to favor two major parties. That said, multi-party democracies aren't all they're cracked up to be. No one can seriously argue we'd be better off like the UK or Israel or Brazil, multi-party countries who are in the throes of their most right-wing governments in their respective histories. It's really not that hard, vote for one of the two viable candidates most closely aligned with your values. 1 2
GraceRandolph Posted April 4 Posted April 4 1 hour ago, Kassi said: We've lived through many unprecedented times in US history and it has never helped third parties. 1
slowdive Posted April 4 Posted April 4 On 4/2/2024 at 2:28 PM, Pop said: Mother spilled as always, but the extreme-left HAMAS girls aren't ready to hear it I swear to God, people like you will literally lead to our downfall 2 1
Blade Runner Posted April 4 Posted April 4 Americans should understand that they're screwed. The change y'all want is not gonna happen in your lifetimes. Your country is the biggest imperialist entity in the entire world and there's nothing you can do to change that fact. You'll maybe be able to change your surroundings and the way your community operates, but nothing else. Sadly.
Communion Posted April 4 Posted April 4 6 hours ago, Kassi said: SF sux due to local progressive politics which are some of the most far left in the country Outing one's self as an affluent liberal who hates homeless people doesn't endear anyone to listen to your pleas to vote for Joe Biden fyi!
Sannie Posted April 4 Posted April 4 She is objectively right here. The irony here is that we could have other options if the people who are complaining about the two-party system actually voted. 3
Aethereal Posted April 4 Posted April 4 George Bush won the second term despite facing larger condemnation for the Iraqi invasion, however he was a Republican. The polls for Biden have not been good.
Flanders Posted April 4 Posted April 4 53 minutes ago, stevyy said: I'm with Hillary. The alternative is ultimately worse. At the end of the day, yeah. Obviously Joe Biden has many serious faults, but if you stand by and let Trump win again, you're an idiot in my book. Trump is a HUGE Netanyahu supporter and I'm sure he would gladly carpet bomb Palestine until there's no one left.
Aethereal Posted April 4 Posted April 4 (edited) Even when taking the Gaza crisis out of consideration, Biden does not seem healthy to me to run for a second term. Edited April 4 by Aethereal
Kassi Posted April 4 Posted April 4 9 hours ago, GraceRandolph said: A Republican (Lincoln) won during the Civil War. A Democrat (FDR) won during WWII. A Republican (Bush) won during 9/11. A Democrat (Biden) won during the pandemic. I promise you a foreign war 3,000 miles away between Middle Eastern countries won't be the thing to finally give 3rd parties a leg up. The thing you're not understanding is that ONE of the two parties candidates has to win. And no appreciable amount of conservative voters would abandon the GOP. In their world, the identity of American, Christian, conservative and Republican are one in the same. It's the state religion to them. All these abstain/3rd party advocates on the left are doing is handicapping their own long-term political objectives (see: Supreme Court). 1
dawnettakins Posted April 4 Posted April 4 That entitlement to your vote mentality is exactly what lost her the vote in 2016. Do nothing and expect us to vote for them anyway because, "Trump bad!!" 1
GraceRandolph Posted April 4 Posted April 4 3 hours ago, Flanders said: At the end of the day, yeah. Obviously Joe Biden has many serious faults, but if you stand by and let Trump win again, you're an idiot in my book. Trump is a HUGE Netanyahu supporter and I'm sure he would gladly carpet bomb Palestine until there's no one left. If Biden doesn't stop arming Israel Trump won't even have this ability anyway because the so-called job is being finished under the Biden admin.
La Reina Posted April 4 Posted April 4 How are statements like these helpful to voters? If people have to choose between two candidates they don't like, they'll just stay home like they did in 2016.
Thesedays Posted April 4 Posted April 4 13 hours ago, Kassi said: Her position hasn't changed in decades: end the war and establish a two state solution. She is also the main champion behind universal healthcare. The US is a (representative) democracy. It just so happens that we use a first-past-the-post (FPTP) system because it's straightforward for voters to understand: each voter selects one candidate, and the candidate with the most votes wins. Over time, this tends to favor two major parties. That said, multi-party democracies aren't all they're cracked up to be. No one can seriously argue we'd be better off like the UK or Israel or Brazil, multi-party countries who are in the throes of their most right-wing governments in their respective histories. It's really not that hard, vote for one of the two viable candidates most closely aligned with your values. Lmao, I am legit shocked at how stupid you are. Honest question: why are you discussing politics when your knowledge is literally up-to-par with a random Trump supporter who thinks Obama is a Muslim communist? Just some illustration of how ABSURDLY ignorant you are: the UK IS NOT a "multi-party country," and there has been no P.M. in the country that isn't either Labour or Conservative. Brazil is led by Luis Inacio "Lula" da Silva, currently on his third non-consecutive term and one of the biggest left-wing figures in world history. Now, ignorance does not explain you believing Pelosi -- who called ceasefire requests Chinese propaganda -- is anti-war or that she -- who famously opposes universal healthcare and receives money from healthcare lobbyists -- is a leading figure on single-payer healthcare. That's not being ignorant. That's literally living in a parallel universe. Akin to these "Obama is a Muslim communist" weirdos. 7 1
Thesedays Posted April 4 Posted April 4 (edited) 14 hours ago, Kassi said: In other words, "Americans are stupid" we been knew. Correct. We been knew. Case in point: literally all your comments in this post. 4 hours ago, Kassi said: A Republican (Lincoln) won during the Civil War. A Democrat (FDR) won during WWII. A Republican (Bush) won during 9/11. A Democrat (Biden) won during the pandemic. I promise you a foreign war 3,000 miles away between Middle Eastern countries won't be the thing to finally give 3rd parties a leg up. The thing you're not understanding is that ONE of the two parties candidates has to win. And no appreciable amount of conservative voters would abandon the GOP. In their world, the identity of American, Christian, conservative and Republican are one in the same. It's the state religion to them. All these abstain/3rd party advocates on the left are doing is handicapping their own long-term political objectives (see: Supreme Court). Leaving aside the ahistorical and straight-up incorrect bullshit you've spewed so far, the fact you keep arguing with people as if anyone here truly thinks a 3rd Party candidate has a shot this year is so funny. Like, there's obviously a reading comprehension problem here. Edited April 4 by Thesedays
Thesedays Posted April 4 Posted April 4 (edited) 6 hours ago, Aethereal said: George Bush won the second term despite facing larger condemnation for the Iraqi invasion, however he was a Republican. The polls for Biden have not been good. Incorrect. After 9/11 and in the run-up to the elections, the majority of the US population supported the Iraq invasion. At its lowest point, it was 52% support for the invasion and 64% support for removing Hussein. It quickly got to 66% support for the invasion. 67% approved his speech on the reasons for invading Iraq. So yes, please check your facts before spewing things so confidently. According to all available polls, the majority of US Americans support a ceasefire, and approval of Israel is dropping (while it was increasing in the run-up to Bush's election). Oh, an important context in all of this is that Biden himself support Bush's invasion and was a big propagandist for it. Edited April 4 by Thesedays 1
Kassi Posted April 4 Posted April 4 1 hour ago, Thesedays said: Correct. We been knew. Case in point: literally all your comments in this post. Leaving aside the ahistorical and straight-up incorrect bullshit you've spewed so far, the fact you keep arguing with people as if anyone here truly thinks a 3rd Party candidate has a shot this year is so funny. Like, there's obviously a reading comprehension problem here. You don't have to quote me if insults are all you have. It probably makes you feel good, but I promise you I really don't care and won't respond in-kind. Either address the points or get out of the way. For the record, my first post in this thread was specifically about the emotional immaturity of *protest voting*.
Kassi Posted April 4 Posted April 4 1 hour ago, Thesedays said: Lmao, I am legit shocked at how stupid you are. Honest question: why are you discussing politics when your knowledge is literally up-to-par with a random Trump supporter who thinks Obama is a Muslim communist? Just some illustration of how ABSURDLY ignorant you are: the UK IS NOT a "multi-party country," and there has been no P.M. in the country that isn't either Labour or Conservative. Brazil is led by Luis Inacio "Lula" da Silva, currently on his third non-consecutive term and one of the biggest left-wing figures in world history. Now, ignorance does not explain you believing Pelosi -- who called ceasefire requests Chinese propaganda -- is anti-war or that she -- who famously opposes universal healthcare and receives money from healthcare lobbyists -- is a leading figure on single-payer healthcare. That's not being ignorant. That's literally living in a parallel universe. Akin to these "Obama is a Muslim communist" weirdos. The UK system also favors two major parties due to FPTP, but it has a more pronounced presence of smaller parties at both the national and local levels. None of that exists in the US. And yes, I forgot that new guy replaced Bolsonaro last year. I don't follow Brazil politics like that. Regardless, he won by a slim margin. Which goes back to my point, that the issue is the electorate not the system itself. Cause all these other multi-party systems aren't exactly thriving. That's why smart people vote as a means of expanding powers, not just for vibes. 2
Prodigal Self Posted April 5 Posted April 5 On 4/3/2024 at 10:23 AM, visions said: I actually used to think like the "lesser of two evils" people in here so I can understand where you're coming from. I realised that if you want change, REAL change, you can't keep reinforcing the structure you feel trapped in, with continually voting for the "lesser of two evils". Voting third party is only seen as a "wasted vote" because of this mentality. Voting for who you would actually want in power is the ONLY way to be represented. And if none of the parties represent you, then don't vote until someone comes about who does. You can complain about "oh but the system" yet you're keeping the system in place by doing exactly what they want you to, voting based on fear of someone winning rather than voting for someone you believe will bring positive change. The box disliking it Like you shouldn't even hope for a change, you should vote for someone who don't care that you exist and don't wanna get anything done and just wants to keep the status quo or you're gonna get someone who hates you and wants you dead. And y'all think that's supposed to get young to vote for your party?
visions Posted April 5 Posted April 5 5 minutes ago, Prodigal Self said: The box disliking it Like you shouldn't even hope for a change, you should vote for someone who don't care that you exist and don't wanna get anything done and just wants to keep the status quo or you're gonna get someone who hates you and wants you dead. And y'all think that's supposed to get young to vote for your party? I have to believe they're just people who feel beaten by the system so much that they genuinely don't see hope other than voting for the slightly less evil (but still very evil) choice. Or it's just another form of burying their head in the sand. "I did my part, I went out and voted for a fundamentally evil person, part of a fundamentally broken system, so now it's out of my hands and won't have to give it any more thought.” 2
John Slayne Posted April 5 Posted April 5 On 4/4/2024 at 1:59 AM, Sun said: Maybe because 66M people voted for her? Lol but did they vote FOR her or AGAINST Trump?
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