Kassi Posted April 8 Posted April 8 11 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: Maybe if Dems want to be able to pass more progressive legislation Pelosi should stop supporting anti-choice Dems like Henry Cuellar. That's not how it works. You prove you can win your seat, you get support from your caucus leader. Pelosi supported The Squad's campaigns the same way she supported Cuellar's. Part of the reason why she's so effective at wrangling votes, even in historically low margin majorities, is because members trust her not to run a campaign around them. Also, strategically speaking, why would she start GAMBLING on known House seats by backing challengers in primaries when the point is to EXPAND the majority against Republicans in the generals? Those are like two different objectives. If progressives want more seats they have to do it like AOC did Joe Crowley. It flat out doesn't make sense to expend member resources on non-members. If you want to see how it looks like when members are forced to play musical chairs at the threat of being primary'd over Trump's favorite guy that day, check out the effectiveness of McCarthy/Johnson/whoever is replacing him after this recent motion to vacate's House tenure.
ClashAndBurn Posted April 8 Posted April 8 Just now, OnikaSlays said: Biden losing, due to you and the others putting their feelings over logic, will put Trump in the office. What part of that is so hard to understand? I mentioned Trump's position on Gaza to put things into perspective, since foreign affairs is the only thing you seem to care about. Letting him win is not the way you're going to "free Palestine" What you, and the other "resist" libtards need to understand is that you're not sticking it to Biden or the Dems by not voting blue. You're quite literally throwing millions of Americans under the bus for your personal grievances. That is why you'll have "blood on your hands" Biden losing, due to him putting his ideological commitment to Zionism over American democracy, will put Trump in the office. What part of that is so hard for liberals to understand? Surely it would be easier to pressure the genocider-in-chief to change his policy than it is to demand millions of people hold their noses to re-elect someone they're utterly disgusted by. But the more liberals scream at uncommitted voters that what they're doing is dangerous and can only help Trump, the more Biden sees that he doesn't have to commit to anything other than platitudes to get those voters back, because there's still plenty of voters that he'll never lose under any circumstance. Anyway, frankly, I'm fine with throwing the people of this evil country under the bus for my personal grievances because I despise America and at this point all of its people. None of us deserve anything other than the pain and suffering we've wrought on the world brought back tenfold upon ourselves. 1
Thesedays Posted April 8 Posted April 8 1 hour ago, Kassi said: Gaza is a foreign war between Hamas and Israel. Oh, is it? Why are US taxpayers funding it, then? Every time I open this post, you make a new delusional statement. When we think you have reached rock bottom you surprise us again.
OnikaSlays Posted April 8 Posted April 8 (edited) 20 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: Anyway, frankly, I'm fine with throwing the people of this evil country under the bus for my personal grievances because I despise America and at this point all of its people. None of us deserve anything other than the pain and suffering we've wrought on the world brought back tenfold upon ourselves. So you don't care about what will happen to minorities and marginalized groups under Trump's presidency because of the actions of politicians… How smart… Maybe it'll finally click for you once he brings back the travel ban and refuses Palestinian refugees in 2025. Edited April 8 by OnikaSlays
ClashAndBurn Posted April 8 Posted April 8 1 minute ago, OnikaSlays said: So you don't care about what will happen to minorities and marginalized groups under Trump's presidency because of the actions of politicians… How smart… politicians that you all seem to enthusiastically wish to re-elect. 1
Thesedays Posted April 8 Posted April 8 (edited) 37 minutes ago, OnikaSlays said: I mentioned Trump's position on Gaza to put things into perspective, since foreign affairs is the only thing you seem to care about. Letting him win is not the way you're going to "free Palestine" What you, and the other "resist" libtards need to understand is that you're not sticking it to Biden or the Dems by not voting blue. You're quite literally throwing millions of Americans under the bus for your personal grievances. That is why you'll have "blood on your hands" As for your first point, you mentioned Gaza "to put things into perspective" while failing to note any difference between Biden's and Trump's Gaza positions. So yeah, it was a big rhetorical failure that actually highlighted how there isn't much difference. Please, at least educate yourself before trying to convince others of your arguments because, at this point, you're arguing against them. Regarding your second point, no one thinks Trump's victory will "free Palestine"—literally no one. Stop projecting your own delusions—i.e., "Biden's victory will make things better and protect democracy"—onto people who actually use their brains. Btw, I think you're confused because you don't seem to be aware that "Resist" is a pro-Hillary Clinton and Dem establishment political movement, so no idea what this has to do with me. As for your third point, care to explain how the blood of Americans in my hand is any more grave than the blood of Palestineans in yours? Would love to hear the reasoning. Anyway, the fact you think it's MY job to elect Biden and not his job to earn votes is already pretty stupid lol. Edited April 8 by Thesedays 1
OnikaSlays Posted April 8 Posted April 8 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Thesedays said: As for your point, you mentioned Gaza "to put things into perspective" while failing to note any difference between Biden's and Trump's Gaza positions, so yeah, it was a big failure that actually highlighted how there isn't much difference. Please, at least educate yourself before trying to convince others of your arguments because at this point your arguing against them. I never said there was any difference doll. However, like I mentioned, Trump has literally used dangerous language such as "finish the job", implying that he ultimately wants (more) Palestinians killed and Hamas defeated. This is who I want you to realize you're letting back into office. 30 minutes ago, Thesedays said: "Biden's victory will make things better and protect democracy" I literally never said that. My point was that Project 2025, and whatever else comes with the aftermath of Trump's victory will ultimately be worse than Biden remaining in office. 30 minutes ago, Thesedays said: As for your third point, care to explain how the blood of Americans in my hand is any more grave than the blood of Palestineans in yours? Would love to hear the reasoning. It may or may not be, but there's nothing we can do as American civilians to stop the genocide. Literally nothing. Both candidates are Pro-Israel and aren't changing their stances on that particular issue. We can absolutely block Trump's victory and prevent the aftermath of his second term though, but you won't because your savior complex and getting your woke points is more important than actually preserving the rights of the minorities and marginalized individuals of this country. Edited April 8 by OnikaSlays
Kassi Posted April 8 Posted April 8 1 hour ago, Thesedays said: Oh, is it? Why are US taxpayers funding it, then? Every time I open this post, you make a new delusional statement. When we think you have reached rock bottom you surprise us again. Congress hasn't approved new funding to Israel since Trump's admin in 2019. Hamas and Israel are at war and the US, Egypt, and Qatar are trying to broker a peace deal. Those are the basic facts. 1
Thesedays Posted April 8 Posted April 8 42 minutes ago, OnikaSlays said: It may or may not be, but there's nothing we can do as American civilians to stop the genocide. Literally nothing. Ironic that it has never occurred to you that you are part of the problem of why "there's nothing to do". 1
Thesedays Posted April 8 Posted April 8 12 minutes ago, Kassi said: Congress hasn't approved new funding to Israel since Trump's admin in 2019. Hamas and Israel are at war and the US, Egypt, and Qatar are trying to broker a peace deal. Those are the basic facts. "trying to broker a peace deal" by voting against every UN resolution there is, including the Brazilian one which was accepted by literally every other nation. as for Congress approving new funding or not, the argument remains the same. don't know if it's stupidity or bad faith guiding you here but i think i can guess. 1
Kassi Posted April 8 Posted April 8 23 minutes ago, Thesedays said: "trying to broker a peace deal" by voting against every UN resolution there is, including the Brazilian one which was accepted by literally every other nation. as for Congress approving new funding or not, the argument remains the same. don't know if it's stupidity or bad faith guiding you here but i think i can guess.
rihannafan Posted April 8 Posted April 8 3 hours ago, Kassi said: Gaza is a foreign war between Hamas and Israel. LMAO this is funny, tell another one
wastedpotential Posted April 8 Posted April 8 (edited) 2 hours ago, ClashAndBurn said: Anyway, frankly, I'm fine with throwing the people of this evil country under the bus for my personal grievances because I despise America and at this point all of its people. None of us deserve anything other than the pain and suffering we've wrought on the world brought back tenfold upon ourselves. We had the conversation yesterday (that you've seemingly totally ignored because it didn't suit your narrative) that a Trump victory will be significantly worse for basically everyone outside of the US than it will be for anyone within the US (well, it'll be really awful for tens of millions of poor people of color and immigrants in the US too, but hey, why would you care about them?), but you don't seem to be willing to acknowledge that fact. I have all sorts of statistics on exports of farm mechanical equipment and water purification supplies and emergency pharmaceuticals that the US exports or donates to well over 100 countries around the world, who are reliant upon these shipments to varying (but many quite significant) degrees, and I also have quotes saved from Trump that directly or indirectly infer that he plans to act in a manner that would interrupt the exportation of these supplies once he becomes President, but you're too stubborn (or ideologically set) to even begin to consider the realities of what I'm trying to argue, so I won't bother. It's almost as if your pathological hatred of Biden, and apparently your own country (it might be worthwhile to find someone to talk to about this to help you ease the burden of such extreme self-loathing, for what it's worth - unless your inveterate aversion of all things America includes American mental healthcare providers, in which case you might be able to arrange for Zoom calls with one from Canada) is blinding you to basic and irrefutable facts here. Biden is disastrous for the people of Gaza, and Trump is disastrous for the people of Gaza, marginalized Americans, and residents of countries without stable food and water and medical supplies. Surely you can do the math... Edited April 8 by wastedpotential 1
ClashAndBurn Posted April 8 Posted April 8 12 minutes ago, wastedpotential said: We had the conversation yesterday (that you've seemingly totally ignored because it didn't suit your narrative) that a Trump victory will be significantly worse for basically everyone outside of the US than it will be for anyone within the US (well, it'll be really awful for tens of millions of poor people of color and immigrants in the US too, but hey, why would you care about them?), but you don't seem to be willing to acknowledge that fact. I have all sorts of statistics on exports of farm mechanical equipment and water purification supplies and emergency pharmaceuticals that the US exports or donates to well over 100 countries around the world, who are reliant upon these shipments to varying (but many quite significant) degrees, and I also have quotes saved from Trump that directly or indirectly infer that he plans to act in a manner that would interrupt the exportation of these supplies once he becomes President, but you're too stubborn (or ideologically set) to even begin to consider the realities of what I'm trying to argue, so I won't bother. It's almost as if your pathological hatred of Biden, and apparently your own country (it might be worthwhile to find someone to talk to about this to help you ease the burden of such extreme self-loathing, for what it's worth - unless your inveterate aversion of all things America includes American mental healthcare providers, in which case you might be able to arrange for Zoom calls with one from Canada) is blinding you to basic and irrefutable facts here. Biden is disastrous for the people of Gaza, and Trump is disastrous for the people of Gaza, marginalized Americans, and residents of countries without stable food and water and medical supplies. Surely you can do the math... All of this is meaningless to discuss, because as I've mentioned before, Biden has done nothing to make life better for marginalized Americans or people abroad. His presidency has only been about reverting to and preserving the pre-Trump status quo that led so many desperate people to voting for Trump over Hillary to begin with. Life under Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump, and now Biden has been an utter nightmare. The American Dream has been dead for years. Many people can't afford to eat, can't afford to buy homes, but the stock market is booming, so all of this is safely overlooked because the wealthy and comfortable are the only people who matter in this country. Holding out for four years when everyone knows that an eventual government flip to full-blown fascism is an inevitability so that the people who are comfortable with genocide as long as it's happening a world away can cobble together an escape plan and claim asylum seems like a farce. 3
teresaguidice Posted April 8 Posted April 8 3 hours ago, OnikaSlays said: What you, and the other "resist" libtards need to understand is that you're not sticking it to Biden or the Dems by not voting blue. lol can you at least get your insults correct? "resist libtards" are the blue-no-matter-who people who share your view. "tankies" is the preferred insult against the people you're raging about. 1 2 1
Communion Posted April 8 Posted April 8 4 hours ago, OnikaSlays said: Biden losing, due to you and the others putting their feelings over logic, will put Trump in the office 19 hours ago, Gaia said: does make you equally as responsible This rich people whining doesn't work. Can y'all please realize you're outing your parents' incomes by doing this weird "VOTING IS YOUR DUTY" passion project. No one talks like this besides people who grew up in highly affluent households where voting was some partisan thing. The average America is not civically engaged like this. A plurality of Americans do not vote. It is the norm to not vote. It is your duty to convince people to vote via showing how voting is transactional.
OnikaSlays Posted April 8 Posted April 8 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Communion said: This rich people whining doesn't work. Can y'all please realize you're outing your parents' incomes by doing this weird "VOTING IS YOUR DUTY" passion project. No one talks like this besides people who grew up in highly affluent households where voting was some partisan thing. The average America is not civically engaged like this. Sis what are you actually talking about? I grew up poor and my family is not "affluent" by any means. Even then, my parents and other adults in my life definitely vote during elections. Just because some poor folks do not care or aren't educated enough on politics to vote, doesn't make it a class issue. Edited April 8 by OnikaSlays
Communion Posted April 8 Posted April 8 (edited) 5 minutes ago, OnikaSlays said: because some poor folks The plurality of poor Americans for the last several presidential elections have voted for no candidate / did not vote. This used to be for decades a plurality - and even majority - of working class voters voting for Democrats. Why do you think this has changed? The average non-voter in America is not some privileged figure but - statistically - something of a working class first-generation Latina. These marginalized demographics are those who are unlikely to vote and ironically are exactly who Biden needs to convince to vote for him yet seemingly refuses to try. You better get your ass to work it seems: https://events.democrats.org/?tag_ids=34 https://joebiden.com/work-with-us/ Edited April 8 by Communion
RunUpDoneUp Posted April 8 Posted April 8 Unironically, she's right. You know you're a dummy when hilary sees the truth before you do. Biden or nada.
GraceRandolph Posted April 8 Posted April 8 3 hours ago, RunUpDoneUp said: Unironically, she's right. You know you're a dummy when hilary sees the truth before you do. Biden or nada. 1
Thesedays Posted April 8 Posted April 8 13 hours ago, Kassi said: Over 40k deaths lately they stopped vetoing resolutions. Is that supposed to be something for you to be proud of?
Thesedays Posted April 8 Posted April 8 13 hours ago, wastedpotential said: We had the conversation yesterday (that you've seemingly totally ignored because it didn't suit your narrative) that a Trump victory will be significantly worse for basically everyone outside of the US than it will be for anyone within the US (well, it'll be really awful for tens of millions of poor people of color and immigrants in the US too, but hey, why would you care about them?), but you don't seem to be willing to acknowledge that fact. I have all sorts of statistics on exports of farm mechanical equipment and water purification supplies and emergency pharmaceuticals that the US exports or donates to well over 100 countries around the world, who are reliant upon these shipments to varying (but many quite significant) degrees, and I also have quotes saved from Trump that directly or indirectly infer that he plans to act in a manner that would interrupt the exportation of these supplies once he becomes President, but you're too stubborn (or ideologically set) to even begin to consider the realities of what I'm trying to argue, so I won't bother. It's almost as if your pathological hatred of Biden, and apparently your own country (it might be worthwhile to find someone to talk to about this to help you ease the burden of such extreme self-loathing, for what it's worth - unless your inveterate aversion of all things America includes American mental healthcare providers, in which case you might be able to arrange for Zoom calls with one from Canada) is blinding you to basic and irrefutable facts here. Biden is disastrous for the people of Gaza, and Trump is disastrous for the people of Gaza, marginalized Americans, and residents of countries without stable food and water and medical supplies. Surely you can do the math... Lmao. I was following along with this logic (even if I didn't 100% agree with you) until you started treating hating the US as some pathological/mental health issue and not just a rational and logical conclusion coming from anyone who's aware of history. Maybe it's time for you to stop solely focusing on statistics on exports of farm mechanical equipment and Trump's quote and start browsing some history books? x 3
Thesedays Posted April 8 Posted April 8 11 hours ago, OnikaSlays said: Sis what are you actually talking about? I grew up poor and my family is not "affluent" by any means. Even then, my parents and other adults in my life definitely vote during elections. Just because some poor folks do not care or aren't educated enough on politics to vote, doesn't make it a class issue. That's cool darling. But just a quick look at your arguments shows that "voting" does not make you any more of a conscious citizen than the non-voters you're enraged about. You seem to think voting for Democrats is a big deal that makes you an honorable person. Meanwhile, you're totally ignorant about the plight of people abroad, value more the lives of Americans than the ones your government and tax money are destroying elsewhere, and are completely apathetic about genocide to the point you think stopping it is completely and totally futile and impossible. To you, the most important thing in the world to avoid chaos is to elect Biden. Does that show any deep knowledge or any commitment to either a better world or a better country for the marginalized? No. Does that show any real commitment to anything except "vote blue no matter who"? No. It's just ignorant, lazy, navel-gazing where "Project 2025" is the end of human civilization, and there's nothing else going on. It's shameful; it won't convince anyone, and it isn't even historically accurate. Doing the bare minimum with the intent of electing Biden isn't showing any responsibility or care for the marginalized. It's weird that you have some superiority complex over apathetic non-voters (which isn't the case with anyone arguing against Biden here btw. None of the non-Biden supporters are "apathetic") as if you're either more aware than them or doing more than them to improve the country's situation. I know it's a tough pill to swallow, but that's not the case here, based on your own stated arguments. 3
Thesedays Posted April 8 Posted April 8 9 hours ago, RunUpDoneUp said: You know you're a dummy when hilary sees the truth before you do. You know you're dumb when you think people are pissed at Hillary because they think she isn't saying the truth here. There are literally zero people in here who don't think either Trump or Biden will be the president.
Gesamtkunstwerk Posted April 8 Posted April 8 On 4/2/2024 at 2:25 PM, beautiful player said: And she's right, as usual. You can strategically vote for someone while disagreeing with them. People don't like to hear it though. French people did this, because otherwise they would've gotten Le Pen over Macron 1
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