ATRL Moderator supaspaz Posted March 25 ATRL Moderator Posted March 25 17 hours ago, Squall said: Why would it be surprising exactly? She always was bigger than him: TTAL was bigger than the Experience albums, BT was bigger than MOTW etc. That is certainly not true in the US.
SoundsandSongs Posted March 25 Posted March 25 (edited) 20 minutes ago, VioletsandRoses said: They don't have similar pure sales? Renaissance is probably around 40k while Trustfall is around 100k. Plus song units are already added into the album just slightly downgraded. Again you're holding too much onto physical sales without considering the relevance of streams which Beyonce has far greater power in and makes up the units for. I do admit Pink has more physical album sales but in total consumption units (including album equivalent streams and digital song sales) Beyonce is definetly ahead worldwide. Also Idk why you say Pink has bigger hits when Beyonce has sold more singles and has far more streams and YT views. Let's not get into Reneigh vs Trustfall because Reneigh has 2.82 billion streams while Trustfall (including Tour deluxe version) has 658 million streams. Reneigh outstreams Trustfall daily so the gap will get bigger. Edited March 25 by SoundsandSongs
PrudenceHCharmed Posted March 25 Posted March 25 4 hours ago, SoundsandSongs said: I love Pink but this is not true lol. Beyonce CSPC pre-2020s albums: Dangerously in Love - 19m Bday - 14.6m I am sasha fierce - 21.5m 4 - 10m Self titled - 9.9m Lemonade - 6.7m Studio Albums Total: 81.7m (6 albums) Pink CSPC pre-2020s albums: Cant take me home - 6.1m Misunderztood - 17.5m Try This - 4m I'm not dead - 11.2m Funhouse - 14.2m TTAL - 12.75m Beautiful Trauma - 5m Hurts2bhuman - 2.1m Studio Albums Total: 72.85m (8 albums) Beyonce pre-2020s spotify streams I am sasha fierce - 3.7 billion Beyonce - 3.3 billion 4 - 2.5 billion Dangerously in Love - 2.2 billion Bday - 1.6 billion Lemonade - 1.3 billion Studio albums total: 14.6 billion (6 albums) Pink pre-2020s spotify streams: TTAL - 2.5 billion Beautiful Trauma - 1.4 billion Funhouse - 1.2 billion Hurts2bhuman - 1 billion Im not dead - 709 million Misunderztood - 650 million Try This - 131 million Cant take me home - 116 million Studio albums total: 7.706 billion (8 albums) Youtube views: Beyonce - 16 billion (solo) Pink - 7.6 billion Outside of the US Pink is bigger in some European countries and Oceania but Beyonce is bigger in Asia, Brazil, UK etc. Beyonce was always bigger globally on many metrics like Single Sales, Spotify, Youtube etc. Till this day there are people still thinking Pink (and Shakira) are bigger (globally) than B. Just like Shakira, Pink is only European/Australian thing. There's a reason why she never stepped foot in Asia, she's completely non factor here. OT: Pink never really offends anyone. She doesn't have loyal fanbase, but she has her own audience (soccer mom).
SoundsandSongs Posted March 25 Posted March 25 (edited) 1 hour ago, PrudenceHCharmed said: Till this day there are people still thinking Pink (and Shakira) are bigger (globally) than B. Just like Shakira, Pink is only European/Australian thing. There's a reason why she never stepped foot in Asia, she's completely non factor here. OT: Pink never really offends anyone. She doesn't have loyal fanbase, but she has her own audience (soccer mom). I wont say Pink and Shakira are non factors but its just weird Pink stans keep saying Pink has bigger hits and did better in 2000s and 2010s when Beyonce sold way more singles, has way more YT views, has way more streams etc. Thats why when you add album equivalent streams and song sales Beyonce comes ahead and why Beyonce is more certified in many major markets. Pink sold more pure albums but that's not the only metric, especially not when Bey has the other metrics like how do even say someone has more big hits when they're behind in streams, single sales, YT views and single certifications. Edited March 25 by SoundsandSongs
pinktennisfreak Posted March 25 Posted March 25 In 2007, P!nk was a supporting act for JT's US tour. Kinda crazy when you compare their status today. 1
Pinksus Posted March 25 Posted March 25 On 3/24/2024 at 9:02 AM, SoundsandSongs said: Why do Justin fans not check receipts before posting. First it was Beyonce's biggest eras flopping compared to FS/LS (when Beyonce has 2 solo eras with more units and way more units moved throughout her career) and now this. Pink CSPC 2002-2013 albums Try This - 4m I'm not dead - 11.2m Funhouse - 14.2m TTAL - 12.75m Total: 42.75m Justin CSPC 2002-2013 albums Justified -12.5m FS/LS - 16.9m 20/20 Part 1 - 7.8m 20/20 Part 2 - 3m Total: 40.2m This is even funnier when you remember this time framing excludes Pink's best seller and she still has the edge 1
Hiphopper Posted March 25 Posted March 25 6 hours ago, PrudenceHCharmed said: Till this day there are people still thinking Pink (and Shakira) are bigger (globally) than B. Just like Shakira, Pink is only European/Australian thing. There's a reason why she never stepped foot in Asia, she's completely non factor here. OT: Pink never really offends anyone. She doesn't have loyal fanbase, but she has her own audience (soccer mom). If she doesn't, how is she filling all those stadiums?
PrudenceHCharmed Posted March 25 Posted March 25 3 hours ago, Hiphopper said: If she doesn't, how is she filling all those stadiums? *Soccer mom 1
Borsi Posted March 25 Posted March 25 This "soccer mom" thing is so boring. She has a very diverse audience, I see children, young and older people too. Also the "soccer moms" are probably following her from the beginning, so yes, she has a loyal fanbase. 3
BnPac Posted March 25 Posted March 25 (edited) 14 hours ago, VioletsandRoses said: then the streaming era fully takes over and Beyoncé started doing much better. Heh? That's not true at all. Beyoncé has ****** up her releases in the 00s and as consequences of her stupid decisions they have sold like **** in the long run but Beyoncé didn't start doing better in the streaming era. That's not true at all. Despite how mismanaged, cut short, unavailable Lemonade was, it still became the best selling album internationally in 2016, at that point in their career, P!nk didn't have that but I digress. And why group Mizunderstood with DIL, 1999 to 2002 was the peak of sales, Mis came out in 2001, DIL came out in 2003. From 2000 to 2002 Beyoncé had two albums with her group that sold 15M and 10M respectively. And once again Beyoncé until Renaissance was doing RnB music (with one album IASF having a pop side), it's nothing surprising that the bulk of her sales came from the US. You should check P!nk's first album, her RnB record to see what difference a genre makes, even when you have the advantage of being white (most of the sales came from the US). And still Beyoncé managed to keep up with her pop counterparts, that's impressive. The other girls sure wouldn't, P! nk definitely couldn't. Spoiler Also no way has IASF sold only 7M or close to Funhouse, I remembered the sales of Fun house-Circus-IASF were tracked on Ukmix day by day and IASF left both albums far behind, the most conservative estimates after the era placed it at 8.5M at the time. OT : Artists peak and become legacy acts, it happens. Edited March 25 by BnPac
Hiphopper Posted March 25 Posted March 25 1 hour ago, PrudenceHCharmed said: *Soccer mom Ya. Of cos. You just can't wake up a person who pretends sleeping.
BnPac Posted March 25 Posted March 25 13 hours ago, supaspaz said: That is certainly not true in the US. Surely wasn't and outside of the US, JT was extremely popular, he was not going to sell as well as a pure pop artist outside of the US while doing RnB music. 1 hour ago, PrudenceHCharmed said: *Soccer mom No, she has a big fanbase, soccer moms love her sure but she also has a huge lesbian fanbase on top of gay men, women like other pop girls.
Marianah Adkins Posted March 25 Posted March 25 Pink is just more consistent hence her fanbase is loyal. Consistent in mediocrity you say but she delivers. JT lost his sex and cool appeal which is a huge part of his brand. Offtopic but the discourse around radio play here always bewilders me. Like ppl drag artists here for being huge on the radio in the US but people nonchalantly also use it as a receipt to claim an artist is big in a region (Europe) despite radio being a nonfactor in their charts.
SoundsandSongs Posted March 26 Posted March 26 (edited) 12 hours ago, Marianah Adkins said: Offtopic but the discourse around radio play here always bewilders me. Like ppl drag artists here for being huge on the radio in the US but people nonchalantly also use it as a receipt to claim an artist is big in a region (Europe) despite radio being a nonfactor in their charts. No metric is fool proof but radio is easily the least reliable metric. Just because a song plays on radio doesn't mean people actually want to consume it. People turn on the radio all the time just to listen to anything and what stations play is easily manipulated with radio deals/payola . With streaming, playlisting helps ofc but at the very least people are choosing to continue listening to a song. Playlisting and autoplay has much shorter effects than radio payola too, there's songs that are big on radio for months while flopping everywhere else. Sales is often done by mass buying but even then it at least shows engagement and interest from stans. If you're only big on radio but behind in everything else, I wouldn't call it a hit. There's a reason radio accounts for very little to almost nothing on most countries' charts. Pink is not local or a flop ofc but saying Bey is local and has less hits because she has less airplay (despite having way more single sales, streams and single certifications) is just wrong. Edited March 26 by SoundsandSongs
XDNA Posted March 26 Posted March 26 19 hours ago, Hiphopper said: If she doesn't, how is she filling all those stadiums? My theory is that a lot of people go because she does acrobatics. Her popularity really grew after her Grammy performance for example. So it's a good value of getting a concert + areal performance, even if they're only very casual fans.
ahauntingnearu Posted March 26 Posted March 26 P!nk had always been substantially more talented. She is also a nice, smart and beloved person - NONE of which the rancid man is
Hiphopper Posted March 26 Posted March 26 2 hours ago, XDNA said: My theory is that a lot of people go because she does acrobatics. Her popularity really grew after her Grammy performance for example. So it's a good value of getting a concert + areal performance, even if they're only very casual fans. She's been a touring force for more than a decade now, my humble theory is it takes ALOT more than to just do acrobatics to be this successful. 2
Borsi Posted March 26 Posted March 26 (edited) On 3/26/2024 at 9:29 AM, XDNA said: My theory is that a lot of people go because she does acrobatics. Her popularity really grew after her Grammy performance for example. So it's a good value of getting a concert + areal performance, even if they're only very casual fans. She does acrobatics for only 3 songs so if someone goes to her concert only for the acrobatics, will be disappointed. The truth is that she is a great performer and vocalist... with or without the acrobatics. And apparently more and more people realize it. Edited March 28 by Borsi 2
XDNA Posted March 28 Posted March 28 On 3/26/2024 at 8:20 AM, Borsi said: She does acrobatics for only 3 songs so if someone goes to her concert only for the acrobatics, will be disappointed. The truth is that she is a great performer and vocalist... with or without the acrobatics. And apparently more and more realize it. On 3/26/2024 at 3:47 AM, Hiphopper said: She's been a touring force for more than a decade now, my humble theory is it takes ALOT more than to just do acrobatics to be this successful. I love that she sings live. It's rare these days. I like her older albums but fell off on her newer stuff. But If she did a tour with her older songs I would really want to go. 1
lael Posted May 26 Posted May 26 On 3/25/2024 at 2:14 AM, PrudenceHCharmed said: Till this day there are people still thinking Pink (and Shakira) are bigger (globally) than B. Just like Shakira, Pink is only European/Australian thing. There's a reason why she never stepped foot in Asia, she's completely non factor here. OT: Pink never really offends anyone. She doesn't have loyal fanbase, but she has her own audience (soccer mom). I think Beyoncé is more global than Pink (though I think Pink edges Beyonce out in Europe). Shakira is arguably more global than Beyonce.
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