loveisdead9582 Posted March 22 Posted March 22 (edited) 8 hours ago, Mtjjproducer said: Melody, Carmit and Jessica could sing pretty well. Ashley could hold a tune a bit. The other blond chick with they ugly short hair who lifted her leg couldn't sing imo The funny part is that Kim actually released more music as the vocalist for "her majesty and the wolves" than most of the other girls did POST PCD. In the DD era, Jessica wound up contributing some vocals to some songs on the re-release and they all had solo songs on the deluxe edition of the album. Still surprised that Ashley wound up doing more vocals on React than the others but good for her. Edited March 22 by loveisdead9582 1
kataraqueen Posted March 22 Posted March 22 obviously a lot was going on behind the scenes but had she had a publicist who truly cared for her, this could have all been prevented. instead she was fighting against a system set in place to prevent her from succeeding. they were adament on making her look like the salty one, to prevent her from having any power. to give her any flack anymore atp is just sad... we know what they went through. go after their awful management that worked them into burnouts and used their bodies for more than just music videos and tours. 1
Digitalism Posted March 22 Posted March 22 3 hours ago, mael said: PCD to me was like Coldplay and Maroon 5 lol.... not sure why only Nicole got hate but not Chris Martin or Adam Levine.... Maroon 5 and Coldplay are not on the same boat even after Coldplay's sell out
NI-CK Posted March 22 Posted March 22 uhm and what about Beep?? That song had some parts from the other girls. Anyways, I believe she was a little naive and ignoring that literally everyone knew she was the main vocalist and the others were predominantly the dancers. and looking at her solo career the project was always succeeding as a group and not because of Madame Nicole 1
Keeandga Posted March 22 Posted March 22 If anything it makes her and the whole project look worse, even thought we all already knew this.
Melancholy Posted March 22 Posted March 22 8 hours ago, toast said: They should've found a way to give Melody more than just the occasional ad-lib (e.g., giving her some bridges). They did on the second album, from my memory Melody has a solo verse in Elevator on the album and even more during the tour (Taking Over The World bridge, basically taking the chorus lines for When I Grow Up) 2
Odette Violet Posted March 22 Posted March 22 5 hours ago, kataraqueen said: to give her any flack anymore atp is just sad... we know what they went through. go after their awful management that worked them into burnouts and used their bodies for more than just music videos and tours. but NiCoLe iS The EviL oNe
Inverted Posted March 23 Posted March 23 There is absolutely nothing "insane" about this. It's a honest answer. Also, context matters. This is from VH1's "Behind the Music" and this part of the episode was about the backlash against Nicole being front and center in PCD all the time. She said it's because she was the one hired to sing and work on the music. What's wrong with that? It's obvious the negativity is just rooted in a dislike for Nicole and a preference for the white/white passing Dolls and the token half black Doll that pop fans seem to prefer. On 3/21/2024 at 8:15 PM, trainsskyscrapers said: If anything, it highlighted a Lea Michele level of arrogance and unlikability that she has never been able to shake as a solo artist. On 3/21/2024 at 8:22 PM, Onyxmage said: Does she know what she is saying? She obviously knew how the group was going to work when she signed her contract. Not to mention Melody could actually sing and they never let her sing any songs on the debut album. She tried SOOOO hard to make sure that everyone knew the other girls werent singing. My god shes ridiculous. On 3/21/2024 at 8:23 PM, Jay07 said: She would have gotten the JLo treatment if people cared enough about her. On 3/21/2024 at 10:16 PM, Onyxmage said: Exactly. I absolutely respect her talent but I do not like the way she treated and talked about the other girls a lot of the time. like you said it worked out in the end but they way it ended for the group really stemmed from Nicole's behavior (back then). On 3/21/2024 at 11:45 PM, gui said: That makes it seem like Nicole gave a damn whether they sang or not when she obviously preferred it this way. If she did then things might have been different for them 23 hours ago, brazil said: She was trying to say what happened, which is ok I guess. But her arrogance and lack of charisma is precisely why they didnt think she would have a solo career. 23 hours ago, Jay07 said: That's it, she seems so arrogant and insecure, she almost seems happy to say the other girls had 0 input. The other girls always say they had a miserable time in the group because she constantly sabotaged them and blocked them instead of supporting them, she's like the biggest showbiz stereotype of the toxic diva. The irony is that if she didn't sabotage the group and jump ship after 1 album and instead stuck with it and established herself more with them while the iron was hot, she may have had an easier time to go solo but she was so greedy. What are you Earth guys going on about? This is just like J.Lo thread where people are leaning more towards fan fiction than facts. Perception really does rule over reality. Nicole never "treated and talked about the other girls" negatively and none of the Dolls have said "she constantly sabotages them and blocked them". Where on Earth did you get the latter from? Also, she has never "tried SOOOO hard to make sure that everyone knew the other girls werent singing." In fact, this is basically the only time she's ever commented on this because the segment was about backlash against her for being front and center all the time. Please provide evidence of the things you say before stating things as if they're actual facts. The most negative way Nicole behaved with the others is just being distant and staying in when the other Dolls when out to have fun. Even after the group broke up in 2009, Jessica said that Nicole is a complete professional, but they're just not friends. Nicole was hired to be PCD's permanent vocalist when Robin wanted to turn the dance troupe into a pop act and she did her job. Melody was actually originally hired to be the vocalist but she was young, inexperienced and struggled in the initial performances. Her vocals have improved tremendously in the past 20 years, but she wasn't very good back then. This was one of her first live performances when Melody was hired at 18: https://twitter.com/RoseColoredSass/status/1771025006245318724 ^ This was really bad, which is why Nicole was hired and Melody was pushed to backup. Also, the idea that Nicole blocked the other Dolls from singing is weird. Interscope snatched her solo sessions and repackaged them as PCD songs so that's why Doll Domination songs are basically solo songs. Nicole got the opportunity to produce the video/single version of "When I Grow Up" and made sure to add all the other Dolls, especially Melody: 2
Lovett Posted March 23 Posted March 23 On 3/22/2024 at 1:38 AM, Josh said: Kelly never had any verses before their final album This is a straight-up lie. On 3/22/2024 at 7:00 AM, Jay07 said: In girl groups, they are usually equal (or pretend to be cough DC cough). DC never pretended to be equal. The hierarchy was clearer stated from the off-set: Beyoncé was the lead vocalist and Kelly was the secondary lead vocalist. They openly stated it in interviews. Why are people trying to rewrite history in here? 1
Odette Violet Posted March 23 Posted March 23 5 hours ago, Inverted said: There is absolutely nothing "insane" about this. It's a honest answer. Also, context matters. This is from VH1's "Behind the Music" and this part of the episode was about the backlash against Nicole being front and center in PCD all the time. She said it's because she was the one hired to sing and work on the music. What's wrong with that? It's obvious the negativity is just rooted in a dislike for Nicole and a preference for the white/white passing Dolls and the token half black Doll that pop fans seem to prefer. What are you Earth guys going on about? This is just like J.Lo thread where people are leaning more towards fan fiction than facts. Perception really does rule over reality. Nicole never "treated and talked about the other girls" negatively and none of the Dolls have said "she constantly sabotages them and blocked them". Where on Earth did you get the latter from? Also, she has never "tried SOOOO hard to make sure that everyone knew the other girls werent singing." In fact, this is basically the only time she's ever commented on this because the segment was about backlash against her for being front and center all the time. Please provide evidence of the things you say before stating things as if they're actual facts. The most negative way Nicole behaved with the others is just being distant and staying in when the other Dolls when out to have fun. Even after the group broke up in 2009, Jessica said that Nicole is a complete professional, but they're just not friends. Nicole was hired to be PCD's permanent vocalist when Robin wanted to turn the dance troupe into a pop act and she did her job. Melody was actually originally hired to be the vocalist but she was young, inexperienced and struggled in the initial performances. Her vocals have improved tremendously in the past 20 years, but she wasn't very good back then. This was one of her first live performances when Melody was hired at 18: https://twitter.com/RoseColoredSass/status/1771025006245318724 ^ This was really bad, which is why Nicole was hired and Melody was pushed to backup. Also, the idea that Nicole blocked the other Dolls from singing is weird. Interscope snatched her solo sessions and repackaged them as PCD songs so that's why Doll Domination songs are basically solo songs. Nicole got the opportunity to produce the video/single version of "When I Grow Up" and made sure to add all the other Dolls, especially Melody: sad how the gays would choose to attack Nicole than the actual culprits and evil here
Phaunzie Posted March 23 Posted March 23 On 3/21/2024 at 9:01 PM, Cottonmouth said: No it's not. Melody would never have made a good front woman for the dolls. She's the 2nd best vocalist the group but Nicole runs circles around her vocally. Sure Nicole never made the solo career she dreamed of, but she was by far the star of the group. Melody was also the weakest dancer. They would have definitely not been able to keep it moving if they used her lol. That's a cute performance you posted though. Liieeeeeeeeesssss. The fans loved it when anyone, but Nicole got a chance to sing. The actual group enjoyed it when Melody got to sing lead. It is not Melody's fault, that she was literally told to sit in a corner and wait until her que instead of being on stage for the performance. The only reason, you think Nicole could run circle around Melody, is because Nicole got all the spotlight. The problem with the group is that they want a Beyonce situation. 2
RIKI232 Posted March 23 Posted March 23 She might have regretted that cause look where it got her…no where! 1
Onyxmage Posted March 24 Posted March 24 17 hours ago, Inverted said: There is absolutely nothing "insane" about this. It's a honest answer. Also, context matters. This is from VH1's "Behind the Music" and this part of the episode was about the backlash against Nicole being front and center in PCD all the time. She said it's because she was the one hired to sing and work on the music. What's wrong with that? It's obvious the negativity is just rooted in a dislike for Nicole and a preference for the white/white passing Dolls and the token half black Doll that pop fans seem to prefer. What are you Earth guys going on about? This is just like J.Lo thread where people are leaning more towards fan fiction than facts. Perception really does rule over reality. Nicole never "treated and talked about the other girls" negatively and none of the Dolls have said "she constantly sabotages them and blocked them". Where on Earth did you get the latter from? Also, she has never "tried SOOOO hard to make sure that everyone knew the other girls werent singing." In fact, this is basically the only time she's ever commented on this because the segment was about backlash against her for being front and center all the time. Please provide evidence of the things you say before stating things as if they're actual facts. The most negative way Nicole behaved with the others is just being distant and staying in when the other Dolls when out to have fun. Even after the group broke up in 2009, Jessica said that Nicole is a complete professional, but they're just not friends. Nicole was hired to be PCD's permanent vocalist when Robin wanted to turn the dance troupe into a pop act and she did her job. Melody was actually originally hired to be the vocalist but she was young, inexperienced and struggled in the initial performances. Her vocals have improved tremendously in the past 20 years, but she wasn't very good back then. This was one of her first live performances when Melody was hired at 18: https://twitter.com/RoseColoredSass/status/1771025006245318724 ^ This was really bad, which is why Nicole was hired and Melody was pushed to backup. Also, the idea that Nicole blocked the other Dolls from singing is weird. Interscope snatched her solo sessions and repackaged them as PCD songs so that's why Doll Domination songs are basically solo songs. Nicole got the opportunity to produce the video/single version of "When I Grow Up" and made sure to add all the other Dolls, especially Melody: If they actually allowed the other girls to do ANYTHING besides dance the group could have been around for at least one more album. Im so happy Melody didnt come back after their "reunion" which also ended in disaster. 2
SuperCiC1 Posted March 24 Posted March 24 10 hours ago, Phaunzie said: Melody, is because Nicole got all the spotlight. The problem with the group is that they want a Beyonce situation. I have seen this critique before, usually followed by the (obvious) observation that Nicole is no Beyoncé.
Chris Posted March 24 Posted March 24 I actually laughed. Her talking to the interviewer like he's stupid.
Maroonx Posted March 24 Posted March 24 PCD was always Nicole + some backup dancers. Nothing knew, however this was kinda disrespectful to the other members as Nicole is basically saying "I did all the work, and they got some credit for it"
stoopidjenna Posted March 24 Posted March 24 My issue with what she is saying is that she's making it sound like it's the other girls fault, like they didn't care or want to be involved and she had this unnecessary burden of having to do all the work. Like girl no, you wanted to do all the work and you wanted all the credit even if it meant undermining the group members you're supposed to be leading. I mean it was a messed up situation overall and you can't fault her for seizing the opportunities she was given, but as much as the other girls were absent singers Nicole was an absent leader. 2
UnderratedVocalist Posted March 24 Posted March 24 5 hours ago, Onyxmage said: If they actually allowed the other girls to do ANYTHING besides dance the group could have been around for at least one more album. Im so happy Melody didnt come back after their "reunion" which also ended in disaster. Is this what y'all wanted? The reason they stood out so much, performance wise, is because of Nicole's stamina and ability to serve the vocals while keeping up with the dancing, while the rest were killing it in the dance aspect (with the exception of Melody). Carmit, Kimberly, Ashley and Jessica were all DANCERS. Not vocalists, not dancers who had singing aspirations. Just plain DANCERS. Fantastic dancers at that. Them being offered the chance to be in a Pop Music Group and their names being showcased around the world was more than 95% of the dancers in the industry get. And I'm sorry but to the user saying Melody could also lead the group, absolutely not. Melody is a fantastic vocalist and an amazing raw talent and artist (aside of PCD). But she could not have pulled of being the lead. Her dancing and energy were mediocre, only someone with Nicole's vocals, dancing abilities, energy and stamina could handle it. Interscope is mostly to blame for this, because they should have made it clear from the get go on the format of the group, not to the other girls but to the public. PCD was NEVER suppose to be your traditional harmonizing pop group, but because this was never explicitly said by them, the GP assumed that Nicole was juts hogging on the spotlight and stopping the rest from 'shining' (when they actually WERE shining at what they do best - DANCE and PERFORM), and this got to the other girl's heads and they started thinking this too.
SuperCiC1 Posted March 24 Posted March 24 (edited) 6 hours ago, UnderratedVocalist said: Is this what y'all wanted? The reason they stood out so much, performance wise, is because of Nicole's stamina and ability to serve the vocals while keeping up with the dancing, while the rest were killing it in the dance aspect (with the exception of Melody). Carmit, Kimberly, Ashley and Jessica were all DANCERS. Not vocalists, not dancers who had singing aspirations. Just plain DANCERS. Fantastic dancers at that. Them being offered the chance to be in a Pop Music Group and their names being showcased around the world was more than 95% of the dancers in the industry get. And I'm sorry but to the user saying Melody could also lead the group, absolutely not. Melody is a fantastic vocalist and an amazing raw talent and artist (aside of PCD). But she could not have pulled of being the lead. Her dancing and energy were mediocre, only someone with Nicole's vocals, dancing abilities, energy and stamina could handle it. Interscope is mostly to blame for this, because they should have made it clear from the get go on the format of the group, not to the other girls but to the public. PCD was NEVER suppose to be your traditional harmonizing pop group, but because this was never explicitly said by them, the GP assumed that Nicole was juts hogging on the spotlight and stopping the rest from 'shining' (when they actually WERE shining at what they do best - DANCE and PERFORM), and this got to the other girl's heads and they started thinking this too. I think you are underappreciating the musical contributions and adlibs of the other members. Every one of them has made a good solo song or seven. They influenced pcd's music in more ways than just singing. Edited March 24 by SuperCiC1
Inverted Posted March 25 Posted March 25 On 3/23/2024 at 11:47 AM, Phaunzie said: Liieeeeeeeeesssss. The fans loved it when anyone, but Nicole got a chance to sing. The actual group enjoyed it when Melody got to sing lead. It is not Melody's fault, that she was literally told to sit in a corner and wait until her que instead of being on stage for the performance. The only reason, you think Nicole could run circle around Melody, is because Nicole got all the spotlight. The problem with the group is that they want a Beyonce situation. Sorry, but this is not true. Melody was awful when she was hired: https://twitter.com/RoseColoredSass/status/1771025006245318724 ^ Melody was originally cast to be the group's permanent singer, but Interscope then cast Nicole because Melody's initial performances were a mess. Also, I've been to PCD concerts. The audience was definitely happy to hear the others sing, but let's not lie. When they did their solo introductions during the show, Nicole's cheers were the loudest. On 3/23/2024 at 9:06 PM, Onyxmage said: If they actually allowed the other girls to do ANYTHING besides dance the group could have been around for at least one more album. Im so happy Melody didnt come back after their "reunion" which also ended in disaster. We're on the same page. I wish we got more songs like Beep and Elevator (Melody and Jessica). I know it's expensive to pay for more studio time to redo songs, but it would have made more people happy. I also wish Nicole had her own manager. If she had a manager like Matthew Knowles, he would have fought the criticism head on by giving the other Dolls studio time. That's what they did DC after the backlash against Beyonce in 2000. Before "Survivor," the group was like PCD with Beyonce singing 95% of the songs and getting most of the camera time (I'll post videos later). And Melody was smart to stay way. Nicole was stupid enough to put in over $150,000 into the reunion, which she will never get back from Robin. 21 hours ago, Maroonx said: PCD was always Nicole + some backup dancers. Nothing knew, however this was kinda disrespectful to the other members as Nicole is basically saying "I did all the work, and they got some credit for it" That's your interpretation. If you actually watched the Behind the Music special, she's just responding to the show bringing up the criticism that she was the one got most of the camera time. 21 hours ago, stoopidjenna said: My issue with what she is saying is that she's making it sound like it's the other girls fault, like they didn't care or want to be involved and she had this unnecessary burden of having to do all the work. Like girl no, you wanted to do all the work and you wanted all the credit even if it meant undermining the group members you're supposed to be leading. I mean it was a messed up situation overall and you can't fault her for seizing the opportunities she was given, but as much as the other girls were absent singers Nicole was an absent leader. Your perception of the situation is completely warped. She is simply stating the facts; this was a segment in VH1 special discussing why she was always front and center in PCD. She explained that she was the one who sang the songs. And Nicole had the "burden" of doing most of the work because she was hired to do so. It wasn't a complaint. She did what she was asked to do. Also, she was not their "leader." She was an employee just like the others (albeit one hired with bigger duties). I don't think you're familiar with The Pussycat Dolls. And I highly doubt you read the thread, but as stated above, Nicole got an opportunity to do vocal production for the single version of "When I Grow Up" and she went out of her way to include all the other Dolls (including Kim who can't sing at all) so the narrative that she tried "undermine" the others is nonsense. She did what she was hired to do. 1
Inverted Posted March 25 Posted March 25 On 3/21/2024 at 9:28 PM, Josh said: Destiny's Child was the same tho On 3/21/2024 at 9:30 PM, Bewitched said: For which lineup cause everybody sang when it was Michelle, Bey, & Kelly idk about the others On 3/21/2024 at 9:34 PM, naval23 said: Gurl you wish Kelly's verses and Michelle's bridges were always fire On 3/21/2024 at 10:03 PM, Melancholy said: No that's not true, she literally takes the verses in Bootylicious I think he's referring to the first two eras of DC when Beyonce sang 99% of the songs and got all the camera time. Matthew was smart and combatted the backlash against Beyonce by completely changing their image with "Survivor." All the girls in DC3 sang and they promoted a "sisterly" image. Nicole should have done that, but she didn't have her own manager. This was what DC was like originally. The girls got zero camera time and were lined up in the back. The "SAAAAAY BEYONCE" sang 4 times in the second video. The other girls with the backup dancers all the way in the back in the third video. 1
stoopidjenna Posted March 25 Posted March 25 3 hours ago, Inverted said: Sorry, but this is not true. Melody was awful when she was hired: https://twitter.com/RoseColoredSass/status/1771025006245318724 ^ Melody was originally cast to be the group's permanent singer, but Interscope then cast Nicole because Melody's initial performances were a mess. Also, I've been to PCD concerts. The audience was definitely happy to hear the others sing, but let's not lie. When they did their solo introductions during the show, Nicole's cheers were the loudest. We're on the same page. I wish we got more songs like Beep and Elevator (Melody and Jessica). I know it's expensive to pay for more studio time to redo songs, but it would have made more people happy. I also wish Nicole had her own manager. If she had a manager like Matthew Knowles, he would have fought the criticism head on by giving the other Dolls studio time. That's what they did DC after the backlash against Beyonce in 2000. Before "Survivor," the group was like PCD with Beyonce singing 95% of the songs and getting most of the camera time (I'll post videos later). And Melody was smart to stay way. Nicole was stupid enough to put in over $150,000 into the reunion, which she will never get back from Robin. That's your interpretation. If you actually watched the Behind the Music special, she's just responding to the show bringing up the criticism that she was the one got most of the camera time. Your perception of the situation is completely warped. She is simply stating the facts; this was a segment in VH1 special discussing why she was always front and center in PCD. She explained that she was the one who sang the songs. And Nicole had the "burden" of doing most of the work because she was hired to do so. It wasn't a complaint. She did what she was asked to do. Also, she was not their "leader." She was an employee just like the others (albeit one hired with bigger duties). I don't think you're familiar with The Pussycat Dolls. And I highly doubt you read the thread, but as stated above, Nicole got an opportunity to do vocal production for the single version of "When I Grow Up" and she went out of her way to include all the other Dolls (including Kim who can't sing at all) so the narrative that she tried "undermine" the others is nonsense. She did what she was hired to do. I mean it's been ages since I've really thought about them but I am plenty familiar. I've seen other clips of this BTM episode and it doesn't make the context any better, the way she talks about Jai Ho in particular she's speaking as if she's some type of victim in the situation when the other girls were upset she got the separate feature credit (which definitely was an undermining move). She tried to justify herself as by saying she was doing all the work, but 1) she already got a writing credit for her individual contributions and 2) as you keep saying, she's just doing her job, and her job was to be in the group and apparently do all the work. The reality is she needed the group as much as the group needed her and her failure in seeing that is why her solo attempts never took off. 1
Melancholy Posted March 25 Posted March 25 9 hours ago, Inverted said: I think he's referring to the first two eras of DC when Beyonce sang 99% of the songs and got all the camera time. Matthew was smart and combatted the backlash against Beyonce by completely changing their image with "Survivor." All the girls in DC3 sang and they promoted a "sisterly" image. Nicole should have done that, but she didn't have her own manager. This was what DC was like originally. The girls got zero camera time and were lined up in the back. The "SAAAAAY BEYONCE" sang 4 times in the second video. The other girls with the backup dancers all the way in the back in the third video. My comment was a direct response to his post saying "kelly never had any verses before their final album" while DC's final album was Destiny Fulfilled not Survivor
ElectricBlue Posted March 25 Posted March 25 There are so many things that went wrong but I don't think the public understands how this was not a typical girl group concept from the start, like at all. This was a BRAND, that started with all of the dolls just dancing until they had celebrity guests come in and sing so Nicole and Melody were brought in to recreate that for the recording group. It was people's expectations and the general perception of a girl group that clashed with the concept. They wanted to have a constant rotation of the girls if they didn't feel like they worked or wanted someone new, and they tried many times but always failed. Finding Nicole was a eureka moment for them because she had it all and the music is literally hers, having someone in the group that could have that creative input in the studio and keep up with live singing and the dancing isn't easy. All of this to say the success PCD had was almost exclusively because of Nicole, she carried the group and to discredit her and everything she contributed is insane to me.
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