Communion Posted March 18 Author Posted March 18 5 hours ago, Ryan said: I definitely feel like more context is needed. As someone who actually worked for the government and was on a task force for something similar to this, the general anger from the public in that situation was while the shelter was a great way to prevent tent cities and keep people off the street, during the day the residents were required to go somewhere else. They weren’t allowed back in until after like 5 PM. So the concern was what will some of them do? Odd, because the protestors have given full reasoning for their actions and none have mentioned concerns over logistics and building times but because they view recovering addicts as dangerous and believe homeless shelters do not belong in residential areas or high traffic areas of commerce because they beliefe homeless men produce a negative social impact. 1
getBusy Posted March 18 Posted March 18 6 hours ago, Ryan said: the general anger from the public in that situation was while the shelter was a great way to prevent tent cities and keep people off the street, during the day the residents were required to go somewhere else. They weren’t allowed back in until after like 5 PM. So the concern was what will some of them do? The shelter next to me only takes men who have a job. They have to be back by 10PM or they can’t go back in (unless they have a night shift, which they have to show proof of). There’s also a metal detector and x-ray machine in the entrance. The arguments against it from my neighbors were mainly 1) it lowers the value of the surrounding properties and, 2) crime rate is going to increase. None of these have happened in the two years that’s been open. 1
Communion Posted March 18 Author Posted March 18 (edited) 17 minutes ago, getBusy said: The shelter next to me only takes men who have a job. They have to be back by 10PM or they can’t go back in (unless they have a night shift, which they have to show proof of). There’s also a metal detector and x-ray machine in the entrance. The arguments against it from my neighbors were mainly 1) it lowers the value of the surrounding properties and, 2) crime rate is going to increase. None of these have happened in the two years that’s been open. Wait for it - the "added context" is even worse... there's no construction involved. Because the proposal converts a hotel into the proposed homeless shelter. Quote The proposed shelter is a 32-room hotel with a community facility attached. The city has said it plans to use it as a shelter for 150 single men. And that the residents do not want these services in their area: Quote The site will offer services like case management, housing placement help, and partnership with the community to link people to job opportunities. ...because they openly think homeless people are violent, even when a homeless person is more likely to be a victim of a violent crime than perpetuate a violent crime: Quote 'We're concerned that the homeless will affect the safety of kids,' local father Michael Huang told Fox 5 from the hectic procession of the proposed site, which will house the mentally ill. 'It's just going to cause more problems than we already have,' added longtime resident Marie Brullo. 'It's going to increase crime.' But I guess people being quick to assume that it's always housed and affluent people who have good intentions and can never be expressing anti-poor biases, whether on here or on Twitter or in real life, is to be expected. And that such is part of the problem when those within bureaucratic systems have to navigate realities that they might possibly have never lived themselves. Of course I have no clue of anyone's experience nor am I pointing fingers. Just pointing out how *for me*, as someone who experienced homelessness as a toddler and whose parents at different times relied on such services (whether it be a homeless shelter or a halfway house), it's obvious *to me* when rhetoric like the protestors' comes from a place of dehumanizing addicts and poor people. And then...my hunch ends up being right! Though for its credit, the non-profit and government agency handling the project have rightfully slapped down against such protests and pointed out how the town is one of the few in the larger area without *any* kind of resources for their homeless population. Edited March 18 by Communion 2
Eat The Acid Posted March 18 Posted March 18 Finally an issue Dems and Republicans can … ehm agree on again? Seems like 99% of their policies and takes are the same.
perfect blue Posted March 18 Posted March 18 10 hours ago, Phantom said: Lol some of you are literal movie villains from 1950 cinema. Wild. Am I not supposed to have a visceral reaction to people shooting up and shitting in the streets in front of me? It’s easy to look down on others when the problem isn’t at your doorstep. I just know you’re typing this from the safety of your midwestern suburb.
perfect blue Posted March 18 Posted March 18 10 hours ago, Ryan said: I definitely feel like more context is needed. As someone who actually worked for the government and was on a task force for something similar to this, the general anger from the public in that situation was while the shelter was a great way to prevent tent cities and keep people off the street, during the day the residents were required to go somewhere else. They weren’t allowed back in until after like 5 PM. So the concern was what will some of them do? Part of governing is dealing with the need of those like the unhoused, while also balancing the concerns of the residents whose neighborhoods are the sites of such assistance. It’s a easy to sit online and have an opinion about how something should be implemented when it literally doesn’t affect you and you have no experience in dealing with the on-the-ground ramifications of governing. There are so many vacant and unfinished development properties in these boroughs that could be converted to temporary housing to help those in need. I wish the local government would actually do something about it. The sanctimonious liberals typing from the comfort of their gated communities HATE to hear a balanced and nuanced take like this.
Communion Posted March 18 Author Posted March 18 1 hour ago, Perfect Blue said: Am I not supposed to have a visceral reaction to people shooting up and shitting in the streets in front of me? It’s easy to look down on others when the problem isn’t at your doorstep. I just know you’re typing this from the safety of your midwestern suburb. 1 hour ago, Perfect Blue said: The sanctimonious liberals typing from the comfort of their gated communities HATE to hear a balanced and nuanced take like this. Bensonhurst is considered a suburb. The person who hold your worldview of hating poor people are most often suburbanites.
PoisonPill Posted March 18 Posted March 18 On 3/17/2024 at 3:15 PM, Gorjesspazze9 said: Why? How does a homeless shelter affect the lives of these working class people…. The city has been converting hotels and other buildings in neighborhoods into shelters to house large numbers of homeless and migrants, mostly single adult men. It has affected the quality of life and safety in those communities, and local residents are understandably upset over it. 1
perfect blue Posted March 19 Posted March 19 6 hours ago, Communion said: Bensonhurst is considered a suburb. The person who hold your worldview of hating poor people are most often suburbanites. Unsuction yourself from that flattened computer chair, throw your greasy purple hair up into a bun, put on that pin-littered denim jacket, and go for a walk. 2
Communion Posted March 19 Author Posted March 19 On 3/17/2024 at 5:19 PM, Perfect Blue said: This will trigger a lot of people. Homeless people absolutely deserve the right to shelter but be fuckin honest: they're an eyesore and they bring crime to the neighborhoods they congregate in. I too would have demonized these protesters in the past before a tent city sprung up last summer in the area that I live in. Since then the area is trashed with dirty needles and litter, there are constant muggings and fights, and people no longer feel safe taking their dogs or children for walks. The neighborhood is ruined. 10 hours ago, Perfect Blue said: Am I not supposed to have a visceral reaction to people shooting up and shitting in the streets in front of me? It's easy to look down on others when the problem isn't at your doorstep. I just know you're typing this from the safety of your midwestern suburb. 1 hour ago, Perfect Blue said: Unsuction yourself from that flattened computer chair, throw your greasy purple hair up into a bun, put on that pin-littered denim jacket, and go for a walk. Class really is the ultimate truthteller, whew. 2
Bethenny Frankel Posted March 19 Posted March 19 This is in Sunset Park, basically the Chinatown of Brooklyn. From what I understand by living in the city, they don't want the migrants or homeless shelter in their community. I fear bad for the Chinese in NYC, considering the Manhattan Chinatown is getting the Rikers Island replacement jail.
perfect blue Posted March 19 Posted March 19 53 minutes ago, Communion said: Class really is the ultimate truthteller, whew. You did nothing but expose yourself as a sweaty NEET who had the time to click through a year of my posting history. Pull those clammy sausage fingers off the mouse and go take a shower. Now. 3
TiaTamera Posted March 19 Posted March 19 On 3/17/2024 at 8:58 PM, Gottasadae said: Isn't Adams created shelter for homeless a few months ago in some vacant hotel in Manhattan and it became a drug cartel with needles on sidewalks and continuous violent fights. He's a fkn fool, (like de Blasio was during his term), doing absolutely nothing good for the city. People are afraid of drugs trafficking and violence, plus Bensonhurst (Bay Parkway area) is heavily populated by asians and asian hate crime in NYC is high, so I can't blame them, they have a rights to protest, especially if they starting to feel unsafe What hotel is this? I'm born and raised abs currently living in NYC. I haven't heard anything about needles and violence popping up by these hotels. I've walked based these hotels both in Brooklyn and Manhattan and haven't seen any needles are violence. 1
TiaTamera Posted March 19 Posted March 19 People don't care about helping others until it's them who needs help. It's such an interesting phenomenon that people inquire why the world is so cruel, depression is so high, loneliness is on the rise, and yet protest against housing for others. The real issue isn't housing for homeless people, the real issue is that they are upset that they too can't get “free" housing. They see the homeless as people who are beneath them and undeserving of any quality of life even a roof over their heads. Now if there was a city program that helped them get housing they would LOVE it, but since it's not them, they hate it. 1
spree Posted March 19 Posted March 19 years ago when I visited San Francisco, we felt it was actually safer at night than during the day. And this is in the Tenderloin district. Everyone is out and about during the day doing drugs right out in the open. But at night they are at the shelter, so it just felt like less of a presence. 1
Communion Posted March 19 Author Posted March 19 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Perfect Blue said: You did nothing but expose yourself as a sweaty NEET who had the time to click through a year of my posting history. Pull those clammy sausage fingers off the mouse and go take a shower. Now. "I'm left wing but I'm really uncomfortable with the idea of so many migrants moving here." "I'm left wing but I'm really uncomfortable with the idea of having to see homeless people." "I'm left wing but I'm really uncomfortable with my taxes going to drug add--" GIRL WE GET IT Edited March 19 by Communion
Bewitched Posted March 19 Posted March 19 (edited) Just wanna say there's also the fact that the Asians living in nyc feel discriminated against bc the mega jail they're building is an a mostly Asian population and now they're even more mad that a new homeless shelter is being built in another mostly Asian area Edited March 21 by Bewitched 1
Gottasadae Posted March 19 Posted March 19 22 minutes ago, TiaTamera said: What hotel is this? I'm born and raised abs currently living in NYC. I haven't heard anything about needles and violence popping up by these hotels. I've walked based these hotels both in Brooklyn and Manhattan and haven't seen any needles are violence. https://www.foxnews.com/us/nyc-residents-complain-of-drug-use-stemming-from-3-hotels-housing-homeless https://abc7ny.com/7-on-your-side-investigates-investigation-new-york-city/10447989/ https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12132071/Row-hotel-New-York-City-free-drugs-sex-violence-closed-tourists.html Plus Radisson hotel in Manhattan that also turned in drugs for everyone mess. I have nothing against homeless ppl but stop pretending like constant drug abuse and following violent behavior isn't there If some "smart" ass governor or mayor, decided to open a shelter in any borough, they should at least to order a mandatory drug screening and police presence near such facilities. 1
TiaTamera Posted March 19 Posted March 19 1 hour ago, Gottasadae said: https://www.foxnews.com/us/nyc-residents-complain-of-drug-use-stemming-from-3-hotels-housing-homeless https://abc7ny.com/7-on-your-side-investigates-investigation-new-york-city/10447989/ https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12132071/Row-hotel-New-York-City-free-drugs-sex-violence-closed-tourists.html Plus Radisson hotel in Manhattan that also turned in drugs for everyone mess. I have nothing against homeless ppl but stop pretending like constant drug abuse and following violent behavior isn't there If some "smart" ass governor or mayor, decided to open a shelter in any borough, they should at least to order a mandatory drug screening and police presence near such facilities. People need to stop acting like drug and violence doesn't happen everywhere. How many celebrities have coke additions and are functioning alcoholics? Not to mention how many dead rappers there are. And then bigger picture, how many people are being murdered in Palestine or as the result of any war for that matter? Again when the rich do it, it's “for a good cause", “defending their territory", being “strong" and “conquering" but when it's the poor it's a nuisance. The only difference from the “crackheads" on the street and celebrities, millions, and billionaires with a coke addiction are their income brackets. I wonder how many of these people turned to drugs because they couldn't afford proper health care. Again whats the difference from the “crackheads" on the street who got addicted to crack because they wanted something to kill their physical pain and these celebrities addicted to Percocet? Their income bracket Capitalism is such a plague and corrupts the minds that people are even elitist with drug additions. I mean what really is the difference between “designer drugs" and the ones found on the street? Tax brackets. 2
TiaTamera Posted March 19 Posted March 19 1 hour ago, Bewitched said: Just wanna say there's also the fact that the Asians living in nyc feel discriminated against bc the mega jail they're building is an a mostly Asian population and now they're even more matter that a new homeless shelter is being built in another mostly Asian area A homeless shelter was built by me and I'm not in a predominantly Asian area. They'll be fine.
Gesamtkunstwerk Posted March 19 Posted March 19 Sorry, but the truth is that people love to preach to help less fortunate, but they will only be of that opinion until it could affect their living standard. 3
Vermillion Posted March 19 Posted March 19 My aunt ran the largest homeless shelter in Santa Fe for over a decade and had a sister who died from drug complications that suffered from schizophrenia. Just some thoughts from me. Actually implementing and sustaining a homeless shelter that was mentioned here with a curfew and work policy versus one targeting the mentally ill as well as those with drug addictions are two vastly different conversations. A homeless shelter with a heavy focus on addiction recovery and mental illness that doesn't allow some permanent residence during the day as it attempts to transition them to the workforce, is not realistic, and is doomed to fail. You cannot operate on the old frameworks and expect results when tracking someone in recovery experiencing multiple traumas that needs to be given the grace of slipping in that recovery to prevent multiple reoccurrences of their homelessness. This appears to be yet another bandaid to get that particular group of homeless off the street at night only and is thus doomed to fail. Neither the homeless with addictions and/or mentally ill nor the surrounding neighborhoods should be subjected to representatives that aren't interested in solving the actual problem. 2
If U Seek Amy Posted March 21 Posted March 21 I mean who exactly is going to be thrilled about having a homeless shelter around them? People can want to help them and have places for them and not have those locations near them for how it may negatively affect them. I really only see it as a problem if these people are totally against it in general. 1 1
Dula Peep Posted March 21 Posted March 21 As a New Yorker who lives right next to low income housing... I totally get it. It does suck/is not fair when you're paying a f*cking ton of money to live somewhere and there are people living right next door for a fraction of the cost/for free.... I know that's really heartless of me, but that's the truth. We live in a capitalist, dog-eat-dog city. I'm as liberal as they come, but it really pisses me off when liberals are all sunshine and rainbows about issues like this. 1
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