State of Grace. Posted March 3 Posted March 3 15 minutes ago, GhostBox said: Thats what the Biden admin has been trying to achieve. lol you're so hilarious 3 2 1
Communion Posted March 3 Posted March 3 (edited) 23 minutes ago, =NEX= said: Isn't that the definition of ceasefire tho? A pause in fighting 17 minutes ago, GhostBox said: Um that’s literally what all ceasefires are 💀 No, literally not. A ceasefire is an end to fighting to allow for negotiations and then those negotiations going into effect. If the ceasefire is "temporary" aka has a pre-set end-date from the start, that means the actual tenable goals of what can be negotiated for are already set. That's not a ceasefire. "Give up or in six weeks we'll go back to bombing you" is not a ceasefire. That's Israel using the threat of collective punishment to get Palestinians to permanently leave Gaza and flood into Egypt. Israel's attempted genocide and ethnic cleansing is the root of this conflict. Israel is occupying Palestine. 10/07 and years of conflict have occurred because Israel occupies Palestine. If the US is calling for negotiations but ones that they will never allow to an end where Israel permanently de-occupies Palestine (because they militarily support Israel), then the US is not actually supporting an end to the conflict. The US - and Biden as an extension - are then performing humanitarian theatre knowing that Israel has no threat of foreign intervention for continued bombing. Edited March 3 by Communion 5 9 1
GhostBox Posted March 3 Posted March 3 4 minutes ago, State of Grace. said: lol you're so hilarious I’m sorry you find the truth hilarious 🤷 8
Both Sides Now Posted March 4 Posted March 4 The dismay results in the Democratic Primary in Michigan must have awakened their humanity Ok, what happens when Israel inevitably doesn’t ceasefire? Arms embargoes? Sanctions? Suspensions of military aid? Anything? Quite pathetic that the largest superpower in the world is so beholden to a country with a GDP lower than Ireland. 5
NEX Posted March 4 Posted March 4 18 minutes ago, Communion said: A ceasefire is an end to fighting to allow for negotiations and then those negotiations going into effect. If the ceasefire is "temporary" aka has a pre-set end-date from the start, that means the actual tenable goals of what can be negotiated for are already set. A ceasefire is not an end of conflict. It's a pause of conflict to allow to negotiate for peace. But it's not a guaranteed end of conflict because the negotiations can fall through. Regardless of the outcome a ceasefire is always temporary. It's either ceasefire>peace or ceasefire>resumed fighting. In each case ceasefire is temporary. One can't impose indefinite ceasefire because in that case it loses its meaning and becomes peace. 7 1
ClashAndBurn Posted March 4 Posted March 4 (edited) 1 hour ago, Taylena said: She probably called Netanyahu after this to assure him she doesn't really mean it. Never trust a Democrat. Legit, the Zionazis are already frothing with intense anger at the pathetic air drops and accusing Biden of "helping Hamas" even though they don't help resolve the famine situation AT ALL His policies are basically meeting the perfect balance of appeasing absolutely NO ONE Edited March 4 by ClashAndBurn 3
Communion Posted March 4 Posted March 4 (edited) 59 minutes ago, =NEX= said: A ceasefire is not an end of conflict. It's a pause of conflict to allow to negotiate for peace. And this is not what the Biden admin is calling for given that it has already set what Palestine is allowed to ask for. Edited March 4 by Communion 3
PoisonPill Posted March 4 Posted March 4 2 hours ago, TedLasso said: For 6 weeks… what a great way to keep voters. For 6 weeks. That is the term that's currently being negotiated between Israel and Hamas. People who actually want things to get accomplished work within the parameters of the reality that they're in. 1 3
Communion Posted March 4 Posted March 4 2 minutes ago, PoisonPill said: That is the term that's currently being negotiated between Israel and Hamas. People who actually want things to get accomplished work within the parameters of the reality that they're in. No, Hamas is saying it will do a humanitarian pause for 6 weeks for x set of conditions (re-opening up prisoner exchanges) and has different conditions for peace. Israel is demanding that they'll do the 6 week pause for y set of conditions (aka "full surrender") and that there is no actual peace in mind - Israel's plans include the moving of 2M Gazans out of Gaza into Egypt as refugees. Why is America under Biden throwing its weight behind an end-result that sees Israel allowed to continue its war crimes of illegally occupying both Gaza and the West Bank? Hamas has said it will never "surrender" nor consider releasing all hostages so long as Israel refuses the recognition of a Palestinian state. Why is Biden allowing Israeli leadership to rebuke the main condition needed for peace? 2 1 1
Aethereal Posted March 4 Posted March 4 Those calls for ceasefire from some Democrats and EU could be theatre play since Israel could be close to finishing their operation. Wait for Biden to demand a ceasefire 3 days before the war ends.
GhostBox Posted March 4 Posted March 4 23 minutes ago, Aristotle said: Those calls for ceasefire from some Democrats and EU could be theatre play since Israel could be close to finishing their operation. Wait for Biden to demand a ceasefire 3 days before the war ends. He’s already called for the same ceasefire and his admin are negotiating it at the moment so 💀
ClashAndBurn Posted March 4 Posted March 4 (edited) 1 hour ago, Aristotle said: Those calls for ceasefire from some Democrats and EU could be theatre play since Israel could be close to finishing their operation. Wait for Biden to demand a ceasefire 3 days before the war ends. Israel’s operations CAN’T come to an end because then Netanyahu’s time as leader of Israel would be at an end. If anything, they’re going to be more bullish and make Ramadan a living hell just to send a message, and then they’re going to shift focus to drawing the US into regional war with Iran. Netanyahu doesn’t give a single rat’s ass about Biden’s political needs. If anything, he wants Trump back and will do everything he can to make that happen. Biden just wants a pause so that the Uncommitted campaigns in the primaries will stop getting attention and so he can brag about what a serious statesman he is during the State of the Union address. After that the atrocities can resume as normal. Edited March 4 by ClashAndBurn
Archetype Posted March 4 Posted March 4 5 hours ago, Communion said: why does everything she does read like a scene from VEEP? The accuracy
nostalgic Posted March 4 Posted March 4 She almost sounded presidential there for a second. Almost. Then she went and stuck the knife in it
Armani? Posted March 4 Posted March 4 Did someone go to one of their meetings and pitch genocide "Reducetarianism" as a winning political strategy
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted March 4 ATRL Moderator Posted March 4 21 hours ago, =NEX= said: A ceasefire is not an end of conflict. It's a pause of conflict to allow to negotiate for peace. But it's not a guaranteed end of conflict because the negotiations can fall through. Why are you even debating this pedantic point when pro-Palestinian protestors have been calling for a “permanent ceasefire”? Arguing about what the dictionary says about “ceasefire” is not a productive discussion when the calls from protestors are clear. In any debate, it’s beyond silly to argue the dictionary when everyone else understands what is being discussed. 1 2
NEX Posted March 4 Posted March 4 49 minutes ago, Bloo said: Why are you even debating this pedantic point when pro-Palestinian protestors have been calling for a “permanent ceasefire”? Arguing about what the dictionary says about “ceasefire” is not a productive discussion when the calls from protestors are clear. In any debate, it’s beyond silly to argue the dictionary when everyone else understands what is being discussed. Why debate anything on this forum? We are not policy makers, we are always pedantic about this or that. Some members love to virtue signal 24/7, write massive nonsensical paragraphs, argue with everyone to no end and feel righteous about their behaviour. Why is correcting them suddenly an issue.
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted March 4 ATRL Moderator Posted March 4 39 minutes ago, =NEX= said: Why debate anything on this forum? We are not policy makers, we are always pedantic about this or that. Some members love to virtue signal 24/7, write massive nonsensical paragraphs, argue with everyone to no end and feel righteous about their behaviour. Why is correcting them suddenly an issue. Because you're not correcting them? People arguing for a ceasefire have been clear in arguing for a "permanent ceasefire". If you want to go on about how according to a dictionary definition, a ceasefire is technically temporary, have at it. But there is no actual, meaningful confusion for what the protestors are demanding, so it's an especially strange way to engage in conversation over a point no one is confused by. 1 1 1
Communion Posted March 4 Posted March 4 (edited) 1 hour ago, =NEX= said: Why debate anything on this forum? We are not policy makers, we are always pedantic about this or that. Some members love to virtue signal 24/7, write massive nonsensical paragraphs, argue with everyone to no end and feel righteous about their behaviour. Why is correcting them suddenly an issue. This is such a weird and long-winded way to say you support Palestinian children being blown up to shreds. Both liberals and conservatives bemoan "virtue signaling" but yet the entire goal of your post is.. projection? You're literally attempting to virtue signal that American elections have greater consequences than Palestine and thus you'll play dumb and pedantically debate a definition to seem above it all, while you and others try and act like there's some moral superiority to be had in being able to stomach Genocide Joe and not be "hysterical" over dead children. Edited March 4 by Communion 1
NEX Posted March 5 Posted March 5 12 hours ago, Communion said: This is such a weird and long-winded way to say you support Palestinian children being blown up to shreds. Both liberals and conservatives bemoan "virtue signaling" but yet the entire goal of your post is.. projection? You're literally attempting to virtue signal that American elections have greater consequences than Palestine and thus you'll play dumb and pedantically debate a definition to seem above it all, while you and others try and act like there's some moral superiority to be had in being able to stomach Genocide Joe and not be "hysterical" over dead children. I bet you went through my entire post history trying to find something pro-Israel/anti-Palestine, but when you couldn't you still decided to project your delusions on me in an attempt to put me down and make yourself feel better. You are such a vile and self-serving member who only lives for the drama and putting others down under a mantra of liberal idealism. I don't know why anyone takes you seriously.
Communion Posted March 5 Posted March 5 14 minutes ago, =NEX= said: I bet you went through my entire post history trying to find something pro-Israel/anti-Palestine, but when you couldn't you still decided to project your delusions on me in an attempt to put me down and make yourself feel better. You are such a vile and self-serving member who only lives for the drama and putting others down under a mantra of liberal idealism. I don't know why anyone takes you seriously. You're *STILL* trying to be pedantic and debate words to gaslight people upset over their tax dollars funding bombs that kill children. I don't need to know what else you've posted. Your behavior in this thread and how you've responded tells me exactly what I need to know about your views on Israel & Palestine. 1
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