celeb news Songwriter Tiffany Red calls out Beyonce for stealing writing credits

[secretgarden]

and has this woman ever been in the same room as Beyonce? much less a studio. 

[Sannie]

This is why she has yet to win AOTY. The industry knows what Beyonce is like when it comes to her "writing" and that stigma is not going to go away any time soon. This is what happens when your ego drives your "Art"; you will buy and steal writing credits because you want people to think you are something you are not. No one really cares if Beyonce writes her music, but they do if she does not and yet claims she does. It has gotten to the point where people just do not believe her when she says she has written her stuff.

[LegaMyth]

Celine Dion gets a percentage of publishing as well. If you want to work with these artists, that's the contract you must sign.

[cat1867]

5 minutes ago, BGKC said:

Lol, Bey credits every one involved, even if It’s a huff and a puff on the track. This girl has never worked with her and is using Bey’s name for traction. 
 

 

Some advice for her would be not to sign things you’ll end up regretting. 

 

Just for clarity, the royalty spilt for publishing is set by law . For example, for each album sold, 9.1 cents has to go to the owner of publishing rights (similar percentage for spotify).  That 9.1 cents is than spilt between every songwriter . So for each additional songwriter credited, the other songwriters receive less money in royalties. Its a zero sum game. So Beyonce crediting everyone involved isn't generous since that ends up diluting the payment of the much more involved songwriters.

 

In contrast, producers are paid a set amount by an artist. So that's why there is less controversy over courtesy producing credits than songwriting credits since the producing credits don't come with royalties.

[Pheromosa]

ok random lady that has never worked with her 

[rihannafan]

So glad my fave writes her own makeup labels

[Moonlight Nation]

28 minutes ago, vale9001 said:

Then her fans complain cause She never won AOTY while Michael Jackson, Outkast or Lauryn Hill did.

Cause that recognition is meant for musicians creating music. 

Like Whitney Houston, Céline Dion, and 3-time AOTY winner Frank Sinatra, right? Whitney only co-wrote "Queen Of The Night" off "The Bodyguard" soundtrack, while Céline and Frank had zero writing or production contributions to their respective winning projects. And what about the countless cover albums that won? 

 

22 minutes ago, Beyle Street said:

This has always been such a banal reasoning for her not winning AOTY. SZA has acclaim as a songwriter and was shut out of the General Field. Summer Walker is a writer and her last 2 albums were snubbed from nominations across the board. Beyonce has a literal SOTY win but you think voters are like "I LOVE this record but she's not the main writer so she can't win" as the driving force for her losses? 
Renaissance and Self-Titled could've been completely self-written and they STILL would've lost. 

 

 

[QueenBeyoncé]

1 minute ago, Shelter said:

Aww the haters in here because they can’t say anything about her smashing. 

 

This person going on about Kelis, Beyonce credited those who wrote and produced Milkshake. Kelis did NOT. 

“Along with revealing Kelis was “difficult” to work with, he recounts the making of “Bossy.”

“How the record was created, I did the whole beat, so that’s already 50%,” Bangladesh explained. “So then Sean Garrett wrote the hook. Jasper and another dude wrote the verses, but [Kelis] kind of like quarterbacked it… I think the label got Too $hort on it, so the numbers, it was adding up more than 100 because she was taking a lot of it, and she ain’t do nothing.” 

He continued, “What you was asking for don’t justify the work you did. It was like you got four people on the writers’ side, and you trying to take 25% of the 50, and it’s like this n—a wrote the hook, this n—a wrote the verse. You asking for too much, and there wasn’t enough left for Too $hort.” 
 

 

 

[Mornings]

5 minutes ago, cat1867 said:

Just for clarity, the royalty spilt for publishing is set by law . For example, for each album sold, 9.1 cents has to go to the owner of publishing rights (similar percentage for spotify).  That 9.1 cents is than spilt between every songwriter . So for each additional songwriter credited, the other songwriters receive less money in royalties. Its a zero sum game. So Beyonce crediting everyone involved isn't generous since that ends up diluting the payment of the much more involved songwriters.

 

In contrast, producers are paid a set amount by an artist. So that's why there is less controversy over courtesy producing credits than songwriting credits since the producing credits don't come with royalties.

 

It's also so clear these people talking about Kelis didn't even watch the video. cause I don't remember her mentioned at all, its just in that dumb Stan account tweet. The video is really informative and is centered around Beyonce, but talks about the music industry as whole and how important it is to compensate people for their work.

Edited February 19 by Mornings

[toxicgenie]

The reason Beyonce gets mentioned is because her team presents her as doing something virtuous every era. Currently, the virtuous mission is "reclaiming country music.' I've seen people on twitter say they don't like THE, but have to support it for the bigger purpose. So when part of Beyonce's image like a SJW it gets attention on these type of issues. 

[BGKC]

1 minute ago, cat1867 said:

Just for clarity, the royalty spilt for publishing is set by law . For example, for each album sold, 9.1 cents has to go to the owner of publishing rights (similar percentage for spotify).  That 9.1 cents is than spilt between every songwriter . So for each additional songwriter credited, the other songwriters receive less money in royalties. Its a zero sum game. So Beyonce crediting everyone involved isn't generous since that ends up diluting the payment of the much more involved songwriters.

 

In contrast, producers are paid a set amount by an artist. So that's why there is less controversy over courtesy producing credits than songwriting credits since the producing credits don't come with royalties.

She’s had a a close knit for decades, often using the same producers, as well as introducing new writers to the industry. If she were to credit less the narrative would be that she’s a thief.
It’s either that or she “needs” 5000 writers to writer her music. The conclusion is that people generally don’t know the difference between songwriting/composition/lyricism and just can’t stand Beyoncé. 

[QueenBeyoncé]

1 minute ago, toxicgenie said:

The reason Beyonce gets mentioned is because her team presents her as doing something virtuous every era. Currently, the virtuous mission is "reclaiming country music.' I've seen people on twitter say they don't like THE, but have to support it for the bigger purpose. So when part of Beyonce's image like a SJW it gets attention on these type of issues. 

No, the reason why Beyoncé is mentioned bc the pressed btch want clout.. she never worked with Beyoncé

[ricardoazevedo]

29 minutes ago, CandleGuy said:

So the artist should get 0% of the royalties just because they didn't write the song?

 

Isn't having a cut of publishing the only way the artist gets paid from streams and sales?

 

19 minutes ago, QueenBeyoncé said:

Never worked with Beyoncé.. but using her name for clout 

Did you see the video? She talked with people who worked with B. She gave an example of a powerful artist who could do diferent and don`t do it.

[QueenBeyoncé]

Just now, ricardoazevedo said:

 

Did you see the video? She talked with people who worked with B. She gave an example of a powerful artist who could do diferent and don`t do it.

Beyoncé got nothing to do with her story.. how you want Beyoncé to speak out on it and be this change,  if she’s “the problem” make it make sense

 

[cat1867]

2 minutes ago, BGKC said:

She’s had a a close knit for decades, often using the same producers, as well as introducing new writers to the industry. If she were to credit less the narrative would be that she’s a thief.
It’s either that or she “needs” 5000 writers to writer her music. The conclusion is that people generally don’t know the difference between songwriting/composition/lyricism and just can’t stand Beyoncé. 

Behind the scenes, she could , of course, compensate songwriters outside the royalty situation by giving them fees like producers through that isn't a common practice.  I do think its clear that the most of the people that actually work with Beyonce have a fine enough experience. 

 

But the zero sum nature of songwriter royalties are why there are so many controversies ad suspicion over it. 

[The7thStranger]

Writing credits always worked this way. I heard once a case where a widower was gifted writing credits on a song to afford her a little money. I thought it was Buddy Holly's widow, but I now I think I'm misremembering.

 

Anyway, when it comes to pop acts today, I don't buy their credentials as a writer unless they are listed as the sole writer or have only worked with one person on a record. And even then, it has to be that their writing craft is a part of their identity. Otherwise, I just assume it was a writing team or a re-worked demo.

[Pheromosa]

1 minute ago, QueenBeyoncé said:

Beyoncé got nothing to do with her story.. how you want Beyoncé to speak out on it and be this change,  if she’s “the problem” make it make sense

 

these ******* want bey to fix all the industries issues while discrediting her, its funny as hell 

 

 

anyway! make sure your cousins and parents who don't care about this are streaming and buying Texas Hold em 

[Kh-Loud]

26 minutes ago, Rotunda said:

@Zefierce I suggest you find a hobby beyond antagonizing the Hive, because I suspect you’re gonna either end up banned or looking like a laughingstock by the time this era is over. 

Trolls with Wits are fun to argue with but 

 

@Zefierceis slow as a brick so it’s better to just ignore! 
 

Edited February 19 by Kh-Loud

[ricardoazevedo]

2 minutes ago, QueenBeyoncé said:

Beyoncé got nothing to do with her story.. how you want Beyoncé to speak out on it and be this change,  if she’s “the problem” make it make sense

 

Yes she has. If she really does this to writers is her responsability to stop it. If is really true, im sad because i really like her. For a woman who speaks for black women and does this is very sad.

[kimberly]

the fumes  Texas Hold Em truly smashing got y'all in a tizzy huh? scrambling to thread a tweet with 8k likes from people who have never worked with Beyoncé. 

 

we have to laugh at the ATRL songwriting experts coming out to endorse her, too. some of you are slow & don't understand what songwriting is.

[QueenBeyoncé]

 

 

like said a btch looking for clout.. 

[KatyPrismSpirit]

This woman has never worked for Beyoncé it literally shows in her songwriter discography that she only wrote for mostly Zendaya and Tamar Braxton

[GraceRandolph]

42 minutes ago, CandleGuy said:

So the artist should get 0% of the royalties just because they didn't write the song?

 

Isn't having a cut of publishing the only way the artist gets paid from streams and sales?

Why should B get 25% of a song she wrote 0% of? 

[QueenBeyoncé]

5 minutes ago, ricardoazevedo said:

Yes she has. If she really does this to writers is her responsability to stop it. If is really true, im sad because i really like her. For a woman who speaks for black women and does this is very sad.

Last time I checked she’s speaking on her experiences.. she don’t know what or how Beyoncé works seeing she’s NEVER worked with her   A clout chasing ho 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 19 by QueenBeyoncé

[Dr. Alexander]

I completely understand her frustration but if I was a songwriter or producer, I would’ve made these artists sign an agreement about publishing rights, especially the biggest artists because you not about to screw me over.