celeb news Charli XCX addresses Rina Sawayama fallout & masters; 'not a Taylor Swift situation'

[GardenPanty]

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Charli says unfollowing Rina “was over a personal disagreement between friends” and that “it wasn’t even a falling out, we’re good”. She’s quick to say Rina never asked her to take sides. But she acknowledges “the masters conversation annoyed me and I told [Rina]”.

 

It’s common for record labels to own artists’ masters, which hold the copyright to original recordings of their music. But the subject has become the source of emotionally charged discussion among fanbases, perhaps because of Taylor Swift’s highly publicised dispute over the ownership of her first six albums.

 

When Charli signed a five-album deal with Atlantic aged 16, she owned about 15 per cent of her masters and the label owned the rest. “I’ve been in a position for a long period where I didn’t own a lot of the music that I made, so it’s hard for me to see that word [masters] being weaponised when it’s not the case,” she says of an ownership setup that is, by and large, standard industry practice.

 

With Crash she fulfilled her Atlantic deal after nearly 15 years and re-signed with the label. She talked to Interscope but realised more of her masters would be kept if she stayed with Atlantic. She’s emphatic that the decision to stay was “not in any way because I was backed into a corner to do so, or because I’m a victim. That [narrative] really bothers me.” The Swift debacle is “really unfair” but not representative of the situation faced by most artists, not least herself. “I don’t want people to be like ‘Oh my God, they trapped her because they own her masters.’ Like, yeah, they own my masters – that’s a ******* record deal. That’s what they’re paying for.”

Source: https://theface.com/music/charli-xcx-interview-new-album-xcx6-vol-4-issue-18

 

Thoughts?

[glitch]

Not them falling out over those mid men in the 1975 

[Mystic Warrior]

I’m not sure that it’s her place to talk about this so publicly but she’s not necessarily wrong. 

[Saint James]

isn't the Taylor reference about herself? not Rina

[glitch]

1 minute ago, Saint James said:

isn't the Taylor reference about herself? not Rina

I think it's because of Rina's comment about Matt Healy owning her masters

[rihxnicki]

Just now, Mystic Warrior said:

I’m not sure that it’s her place to talk about this so publicly but she’s not necessarily wrong. 

Of course she’s not wrong. Rina was right about the podcast and race stuff obviously but trying to stir **** up about Matty being out to get her or whatever when 1. she isn’t important and 2. labels owning masters is very common, was just a pathetic way to garner sympathy and capitalise from the Taylor situation.

[Communion]

Not really sure it helps Charli's case that she doesn't understand Rina's issue isn't that she herself doesn't own her masters but that Matty was forced to step down from his executive position in the imprint due to his racism scandal yet was still allowed to maintain his partial ownership in all of the label's releases and why she takes issue with that as a woman of the race he and his friends were making fun of. 

 

It's basically the ethics issue of a golden parachute. Why is someone who is forced to leave a company due to a racism scandal still being paid out dividends from the profits of said label?

Edited February 19 by Communion

[Rhyme]

So Rina did not tell Charli anything, didn't ask her to take sides, or start anything but Charli was irritated enough to unfollow her/tell her to knock it off....? Charli is so...

[Facelessboy]

[feelslikeadream]

13 minutes ago, Mystic Warrior said:

I’m not sure that it’s her place to talk about this so publicly but she’s not necessarily wrong. 

In the quote, she's talking about her own masters, not Rina's.

 

I'm also screaming at the quote being "it's wasn't even a falling out" and the title saying "fallout" 

[Stunnah]

Rina has a notoriously bad attitude, so this isn't surprising! Wishing Charli the best. x 

[Mystic Warrior]

8 minutes ago, rihxnicki said:

Of course she’s not wrong. Rina was right about the podcast and race stuff obviously but trying to stir **** up about Matty being out to get her or whatever when 1. she isn’t important and 2. labels owning masters is very common, was just a pathetic way to garner sympathy and capitalise from the Taylor situation.

I just want to make it clear I’m not invalidating the way Rina feels about her situation as I’m sure it’s a very shitty realization to come to that you don’t own the majority of your music, but that’s what record label deals compromise of. They’re for the profit of the company, not the artist. Deals are simply a way to fund/capitalize on an artist’s talent and vision. That being said, I do agree that Rina’s situation was not like Taylor’s at all and it seemed like convenient timing considering she hasn’t shown to make any further advances on trying to regain ownership. Matty Healy being trash aside, Rina did go about it wrong. 

[Mystic Warrior]

3 minutes ago, feelslikeadream said:

In the quote, she's talking about her own masters, not Rina's.

 

I'm also screaming at the quote being "it's wasn't even a falling out" and the title saying "fallout" 

She was speaking on both, evident by her feeling the term “masters” was weaponized followed by her stating Taylor’s situation does not apply to what she’s speaking on. I see what you mean though. 

[lachiqui_klk]

i honestly couldn't care less about this drama... specially when charli herself seems to be brushing it off

 

i just need to know when the album's coming... i'm OVER HYPED

[Communion]

1 minute ago, Mystic Warrior said:

They’re for the profit of the company, not the artist. 

Why is someone no longer part of a company still being paid out profits despite having to step down due to damaging the company with his racism?

[Mystic Warrior]

Just now, Communion said:

Why is someone no longer part of a company still being paid out profits despite having to step down due to damaging the company with his racism?

That’s a different (and valid) conversation. 

[Digitalism]

Taylor situation was very specifici because her label was selling and didn't give her the option to buy. That was the problem 

Nobody is selling Rina's masters. So why is she angry. The owner has the right to keep them. She signed that on her contract 

[KatyPrismSpirit]

Rina was upset and she is allowed to be vocal about it. How can something like that be annoying to you when it was absolutely none of your business and had nothing to do with you?

Edited February 19 by KatyPrismSpirit

[Pendulum]

Why are we still having a discourse when none of us know Charli, Rina or Matty or know of the interactions between them? Like, we don't know the full picture and those tiny bits of information are not sufficient enough for fans to take sides as what happened with the last thread. 

 

Anyway, I have a feeling Charlotte is playing devil's advocate for Healy by proxy of her 1975 hubby. Kinda yikes, I thought miss XCX is a feminist? 

[Solaria]

So she’s basically saying ‘Taylor and Rina can’t be upset because it’s industry practice and happens to every artist just accept it’

 

Why are these people so scared of change and going against the grain 

[sweetblindness]

I am a huge Charli fan and I know she loves to be messy but at what point does she grow up a bit? I guess being a diva is part of her brand now but idk, some of her tweets and interviews in the past year or so are just...obnoxious. This is exactly the kind of situation that should have stayed private.

Edited February 19 by sweetblindness

[AMIT]

49 minutes ago, rihxnicki said:

Of course she’s not wrong. Rina was right about the podcast and race stuff obviously but trying to stir **** up about Matty being out to get her or whatever when 1. she isn’t important and 2. labels owning masters is very common, was just a pathetic way to garner sympathy and capitalise from the Taylor situation.

Charli is dumb and so are you. Why is something being "common" an argument for it being a good thing? What do you think systemic change entails? Do you ever question anything ever or do you just go on with your life doing what other people tell you to do because they said it's the ''right'' thing? 

 

If it isn't clear, just because labels commonly own masters of their artists doesn't mean that's a good thing. Slavery is still ''common'' in many parts of the world, child labor was ''common'' just a few decades ago, does that make those things ok to you? 

 

You saying ''she isn't important'' just exposes your bad faith stance on this matter btw. 

[Dolce Vita]

this whole thing is where charli rubs me the wrong way sometimes. rina’s situation is really none of her concern so why she felt compelled enough to be angry about it is strange. i guess her connection to matty/the guy she’s engaged to?

[2NE1]

59 minutes ago, Rhyme said:

So Rina did not tell Charli anything, didn't ask her to take sides, or start anything but Charli was irritated enough to unfollow her/tell her to knock it off....? Charli is so...

Between her and twigs I don’t know who is more aggravating nowadays

[ariesgroove]

this does not make charli look good on her part like…..at all