BrandNewBrandon Posted February 19 Posted February 19 9 minutes ago, The Music Industry said: Are you blind? Yes, it does. You just don't know how to read the graphic correctly. The dotted line is because the month isn't over, but the dotted line is on an upward trajectory to the 100 score, meaning it is predicted to be the biggest peak of searches in relation to all the options selected. What's not clicking? Um okay, congrats then. We know it's mostly from the US because the UK one still looks like this: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=GB&q=lady gaga,taylor swift&hl=da 6
The Music Industry Posted February 19 Posted February 19 1 minute ago, BrandNewBrandon said: Um okay, congrats then. We know it's mostly from the US because the UK one still looks like this: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=GB&q=lady gaga,taylor swift&hl=da When the original argument fails, always count on OTHs to pull out the "what about Europe" card 6
BrandNewBrandon Posted February 19 Posted February 19 1 minute ago, The Music Industry said: When the original argument fails, always count on OTHs to pull out the "what about Europe" card No, it's already been well-established that she's had a bigger peak in the US than both Adele and Gaga but in other countries she has not.
The Music Industry Posted February 19 Posted February 19 1 minute ago, BrandNewBrandon said: No, it's already been well-established that she's had a bigger peak in the US than both Adele and Gaga but in other countries she has not. Well it's a good thing you linked to a global graphic where Taylor's peak is ahead of Gaga. Like time I checked the US is a part of the globe! Not sure why we're even discussing Google Trends to begin with, there are far more significant metrics, such as actual units sold/moved. Taylor is going to move more units in 2024 than anyone ever in any calendar year. Time to just accept it sis! 1 6
WildHeart Posted February 19 Posted February 19 9 minutes ago, BrandNewBrandon said: Um okay, congrats then. We know it's mostly from the US because the UK one still looks like this: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=GB&q=lady gaga,taylor swift&hl=da Are we looking at the same graph 23 minutes ago, The Music Industry said: The dotted line is because the month isn't over, but the dotted line is on an upward trajectory to the 100 score, meaning it is predicted to be the biggest peak of searches in relation to all the options selected. What's not clicking? [2] 1 7
Kasix Posted February 19 Posted February 19 (edited) 19 minutes ago, BrandNewBrandon said: Um okay, congrats then. We know it's mostly from the US because the UK one still looks like this: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=GB&q=lady gaga,taylor swift&hl=da Lmaooooo your nonstop effort with trying to pull something with “mUh Germany” everywhere, even though it fails every single time is hilarious and sad. Taylor’s searches are 16 million worldwide, of which 6 million from the US. https://explodingtopics.com/blog/most-searched-people She has the biggest global peak of all time since MJ. Deal with it. Take the L. Edited February 19 by Kasix 7
Kasix Posted February 19 Posted February 19 12 minutes ago, BrandNewBrandon said: No, it's already been well-established that she's had a bigger peak in the US than both Adele and Gaga but in other countries she has not. No it has not. Taylor has #1s on the Indian charts, chinese charts, Philipino charts, Vietnamese charts, and Indonesia charts. Gaga is N/A. these countries combined have 4 billion people, more than half of the world’s population. Take the L. there is no universe where you can find a weird angle where Gaga was bigger worldwide than Taylor right now. deal with it. 11 1
BrandNewBrandon Posted February 19 Posted February 19 13 minutes ago, Kasix said: No it has not. Taylor has #1s on the Indian charts, chinese charts, Philipino charts, Vietnamese charts, and Indonesia charts. Gaga is N/A. these countries combined have 4 billion people, more than half of the world’s population. Take the L. there is no universe where you can find a weird angle where Gaga was bigger worldwide than Taylor right now. deal with it. The Indian, Chinese, Vietnamese and Indonesian charts were not around pre-2020. Stop pulling up charts that weren't invented back in 2010.
tiagol88 Posted February 19 Posted February 19 Taylor's numbers aren't surprising at all considering the PR machine behind her. Now Lana is where my surprise goes. The woman doesn't promote, doesn't have a huge PR team around her, barely shows up, barely tours...and there she is at #2 with only TS ahead of her
BrandNewBrandon Posted February 19 Posted February 19 (edited) 36 minutes ago, The Music Industry said: Not sure why we're even discussing Google Trends to begin with, there are far more significant metrics, such as actual units sold/moved. Taylor is going to move more units in 2024 than anyone ever in any calendar year. Time to just accept it sis! How about you start acknowledging that sales are now tracked in the majority of the world because of streaming whereas before the streaming era you had no official sales from half of Europe, most of Africa and Asia. How about you start acknowledging the fact that pre-streaming a curiosity stream didn't count towards sales, YouTube views weren't even counted towards sales pre-2012 (when Gaga, Adele and Britney had their peaks). How about you start acknowledging the fact that most people illegally downloaded music in the digital era so the artists from then lost out on most of their sales and how about you start acknowledging that listening to your fave's music at home pre-streaming was also not counted towards overall sales. To even think that someone would ignore all of that just to put their fave on a pedestal is beyond words. Pre-streaming artists lost out on their units while modern acts like Taylor are getting 99% of their music consumed legally and without losing out on units. Edited February 19 by BrandNewBrandon
Kasix Posted February 19 Posted February 19 (edited) 14 minutes ago, BrandNewBrandon said: The Indian, Chinese, Vietnamese and Indonesian charts were not around pre-2020. Stop pulling up charts that weren't invented back in 2010. Actually, the chinese chart existed between 2009-2015, and the only non-Asian acts to grab #1s were Taylor & Adele. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino_Chart I guess even 2012’s Taylor had a bigger than worldwide audience reach the Gaga’s peak given china is 2x EU’s population Edited February 19 by Kasix 7
The Music Industry Posted February 19 Posted February 19 (edited) 7 minutes ago, BrandNewBrandon said: How about you start acknowledging that sales are now tracked in the majority of the world because of streaming whereas before the streaming era you had no official sales from half of Europe, most of Africa and Asia. How about you start acknowledging the fact that pre-streaming a curiosity stream didn't count towards sales, YouTube views weren't even counted towards sales pre-2012 (when Gaga, Adele and Britney had their peaks). How about you start acknowledging the fact that most people illegally downloaded music in the digital era so the artists from then lost out on most of their sales and how about you start acknowledging that listening to your fave's music back at home pre-streaming was also not counted towards their overall sales. To even think that someone would ignore all of that just to put their fave on a pedestal is beyond words. They lost out on their units while modern acts like Taylor are getting 99% of their music consumed legally and without losing out on units. "They lost out on their units while modern acts like Taylor".... What? You act like Taylor wasn't also affected by all those things and it could not be funnier. Taylor, the "modern act" as you said, has been in the music industry for longer than both Lady Gaga and Adele. What's not clicking with you? She also didn't have "curiosity streams" count towards her sales, or YouTube views pre-2012, and also lost on units because of piracy at the peak of the digital era. Again, it is not our fault Taylor managed to have long-lasting interest and is reaching even bigger heights almost 18 years into her career. Edited February 19 by The Music Industry 4 1
BrandNewBrandon Posted February 19 Posted February 19 (edited) 10 minutes ago, The Music Industry said: Again, it is not our fault Taylor managed to have long-lasting interest and is reaching even bigger heights almost 18 years into her career. She's peaking at a time when she's not losing out on any units while the comparable ones (Adele, Gaga, Britney) were peaking at a time when all artists (Taylor included) would be losing out on their units. In other words, had Taylor experienced this peak in a 2010-2011 landscape she would not have units from many, many territories and would not be getting legal consumption into her overall sales by someone checking out Anti-Hero nor would she have units from Taylor stans listening to her album at home. Those new heights she's reaching were not possible to reach in a pre-streaming era (catalogue albums charting at once in the top 10, entire top 10 on the Hot 100 occupied, gazillions of units in year etc.). Edited February 19 by BrandNewBrandon 1
Kasix Posted February 19 Posted February 19 4 minutes ago, The Music Industry said: "They lost out on their units while modern acts like Taylor".... What? You act like Taylor wasn't also affected by all those things and it could not be funnier. Taylor, the "modern act" as you said, has been in the music industry for longer than both Lady Gaga and Adele. What's not clicking with you? She also didn't have "curiosity streams" count towards her sales, or YouTube views pre-2012, and also lost on units because of piracy at the peak of the digital era. Again, it is not our fault Taylor managed to have long-lasting interest and is reaching even bigger heights almost 18 years into her career. It’s so funny because their logical literally help Taylor’s case given she’s huge in Asia, where people pirate way worse than anywhere else in the world, and also does not have official charts until now. if there is a way to count every illegal downloads, uncounted sales & illegal streams then Taylor would’ve racked up way more unit than anyone else. “Love story” is the biggest English song in China during the 2010s, judging by data from streaming platforms. 6
Kasix Posted February 19 Posted February 19 (edited) 9 minutes ago, BrandNewBrandon said: She's peaking at a time when she's not losing out on any units while the comparable ones (Adele, Gaga, Britney) were peaking at a time when all artists (Taylor included) would be losing out on their units. In other words, had Taylor experienced this peak in a 2010-2011 landscape she would not have units from many, many territories and would not be getting legal consumption into her overall sales by someone checking out Anti-Hero nor would she have units from Taylor stans listening to her album at home. Those new heights she's reaching were not possible to reach in a pre-streaming era (catalogue albums charting at once in the top 10, entire top 10 on the Hot 100 occupied, gazillions of units in year etc.). Well good thing the people Taylor compares with right now are MJ, who had compete trackings; not Gaga or Britney. So it’s none of your concern. Edited February 19 by Kasix 3
The Music Industry Posted February 19 Posted February 19 3 minutes ago, BrandNewBrandon said: She's peaking at a time when she's not losing out on any units while the comparable ones (Adele, Gaga, Britney) were peaking at a time when all artists (Taylor included) would be losing out on their units. Except that is not true. You act as if it's a general rule for artists to move so much units in the streaming era. You pointed out the negatives of the digital era without acknowledging that there were also countless advantages, namely the fact that people were actually still buying songs and albums in way bigger numbers. All in all on average, your average A-lister artist moved more yearly units in the digital era than in the streaming era. Taylor is the exception, not the rule I'm not sure what is your obsession with constantly trying to limit the conversation to peaks anyway. Peak or not, Taylor's overall music career is factually bigger than the three artists you named (Britney, Adele and Gaga). Just cope with it already 3 3
BrandNewBrandon Posted February 19 Posted February 19 (edited) 8 minutes ago, The Music Industry said: Except that is not true. You act as if it's a general rule for artists to move so much units in the streaming era. You pointed out the negatives of the digital era without acknowledging that there were also countless advantages, namely the fact that people were actually still buying songs and albums in way bigger numbers. All in all on average, your average A-lister artist moved more yearly units in the digital era than in the streaming era. Taylor is the exception, not the rule Albums were not a popular consumption form and the average hit album sold like 5 million, apart from Adele or other smash releases. What you cannot deny however is that, according to the IFPI, 95% of downloads in the digital era were from illegal sources and didn't count to the artists' sales. So just think how many more copies each artist would've added to their units that Taylor IS adding by having legal units from most parts of the world. Do you think Gaga's album would've still been at 15 million had those millions upon millions of illegal downloads been legal? We're talking about Taylor peaking in a much healthier music landscape that even gives her units from listening at home, regardless of how much that is. You really think a song like Poker Face was only listened to by 10 million people privately in 2009? Like, most people had illegal music from LimeWire blasting on their headphones which IS - whether you like it or not - a missed sale that Taylor (or any other artist peaking right now) does not have to worry about. Edited February 19 by BrandNewBrandon
Kasix Posted February 19 Posted February 19 (edited) 5 minutes ago, BrandNewBrandon said: Albums were not a popular consumption form and the average hit album sold like 5 million, apart from Adele or other smash releases. What you cannot deny however is that, according to the IFPI, 95% of downloads in the digital era were from illegal sources and didn't count to the artists' sales. So just think how many more copies each artist would've added to their units that Taylor IS adding by having legal units from most parts of the world. Do you think Gaga's album would've still been at 15 million had those millions upon millions of illegal downloads been legal? We're talking about Taylor peaking in a much healthier music landscape that even gives her units from listening at home, regardless of how much that is. You really think a song like Poker Face was only listened to by 10 million people privately in 2009? Like, most people had illegal music from LimeWire blasting on their headphones which IS - whether you like it or not - a missed sale that Taylor (or any other artist peaking right now) does not have to worry about. I have a brilliant idea: instead of more arguing for the sake of arguing, let’s just wait till Gaga repeaks and then we can have a meaningful discussion,with real metrics and numbers, about the would’ve-could’ve-should’vesofvthe world. right now it’s a waste of time and I advise everyone else to just ignore that him. if any MJ fans wanna talk sales, I’m happy to though. Just not to the smaller acts’ canvases. Edited February 19 by Kasix 2
The Music Industry Posted February 19 Posted February 19 (edited) 8 minutes ago, BrandNewBrandon said: Albums were not a popular consumption form and the average hit album sold like 5 million, apart from Adele or other smash releases. What you cannot deny however is that, according to the IFPI, 95% of downloads in the digital era were illegal sources and didn't count to the artists' sales. So just think how many more copies each artist would've added to their units that Taylor IS adding by having legal units from most parts of the world. Do you think Gaga's album would've still been at 15 million had those millions upon millions of illegal downloads been legal? We're talking about Taylor peaking in a much healthier music landscape that even gives her units from listening at home, regardless of how much that is. You really think a song like Poker Face was only listened to by 10 million people privately in 2009? Like, most people had illegal music from LimeWire blasting on their headphones which IS - whether you like it or not - a missed sale that Taylor (or any other artist peaking right now) does not have to worry about. These would've, could've, should've arguments are not helping your case at all, it just makes you sound like a bitter nostalgic stan who is mad their favorite artist now pales into comparison to the biggest artist of the 21st century. Again, I'm not sure what is your obsession with constantly trying to limit the conversation to peaks anyway. Peak or not, Taylor's overall music career is factually bigger than Gaga's. Just cope with it and quit living in 2009 already Edited February 19 by The Music Industry 3 2
HappierJealousy Posted February 19 Posted February 19 (edited) 19 minutes ago, BrandNewBrandon said: Albums were not a popular consumption form and the average hit album sold like 5 million, apart from Adele or other smash releases. What you cannot deny however is that, according to the IFPI, 95% of downloads in the digital era were from illegal sources and didn't count to the artists' sales. So just think how many more copies each artist would've added to their units that Taylor IS adding by having legal units from most parts of the world. Do you think Gaga's album would've still been at 15 million had those millions upon millions of illegal downloads been legal? We're talking about Taylor peaking in a much healthier music landscape that even gives her units from listening at home, regardless of how much that is. You really think a song like Poker Face was only listened to by 10 million people privately in 2009? Like, most people had illegal music from LimeWire blasting on their headphones which IS - whether you like it or not - a missed sale that Taylor (or any other artist peaking right now) does not have to worry about. Yes, so only 5% of the Fame’s digital units is legal. The true album total units is 1 billion which is twice as big as the Beatles’s entire career. Gaga’s whole career has 2 billion illegal units sale, and her tour has $2 billion illegal gross. Queen of illegal units and downloading Edited February 19 by HappierJealousy 8
Kasix Posted February 19 Posted February 19 4 minutes ago, The Music Industry said: These would've, could've, should've arguments are not helping your case at all, it just makes you sound like a bitter nostalgic stan who is mad their favorite artist now pales into comparison to the biggest artist of the 21st century. Again, I'm not sure what is your obsession with constantly trying to limit the conversation to peaks anyway. Peak or not, Taylor's overall music career is factually bigger than the three artists you named Gaga. Just cope with it and quit living in 2009 already Because what else could a gaga Stan talk about other than that one year lmao. it’s actually nasty to see gaga pollute a conversation about modern acts and modern metrics by inserting that one little segment of history gaga had, even though anyone with a functioning brain knows currently Taylor is incomparably bigger. like, that’s just tacky reeks of sour and bitterness 2
Kasix Posted February 19 Posted February 19 (edited) If the US government ever invents an experimental Time Machine and they need people to volunteer as test subjects, they should recruit gaga stans and tell them they’re going back to 2009. guarantee they sign all the waivers and agreements. Edited February 19 by Kasix 13
The Music Industry Posted February 19 Posted February 19 Just now, Kasix said: If the US government ever invents the Time Machine and they need people to volunteer as test subjects, they should recruit gaga stans and tell them they’re going back to 2009. guarantee they sign all the waivers and agreements. HELP
Happylittlepunk Posted February 19 Posted February 19 Not this thread turning into a Gaga vs Taylor thread and all because of insecurity because of someone peak. 2 1
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