BabyBenzz Posted February 21 Posted February 21 20 hours ago, toxicgenie said: Well if Selena were alive today, she would be the biggest Latin legend, even bigger than Shakira. what a joke, may she rest in peace but she was as local as they come.. her music was not consumed overseas so stop with this weak ass narrative.. ntm that her fame was catapulted because she was literally murdered. Selena was cute, a great singer and charismatic but that's where her talent stopped. Shakira is and will always be leagues above her since she's the creative mind behind her entire career, from writing to composing to producing and everything in between and beyond, it's all HER. Selena would have probably stopped music since her true passion was fashion, not music. 1 2
toxicgenie Posted February 21 Posted February 21 46 minutes ago, BabyBenzz said: what a joke, may she rest in peace but she was as local as they come.. her music was not consumed overseas so stop with this weak ass narrative.. ntm that her fame was catapulted because she was literally murdered. Selena was cute, a great singer and charismatic but that's where her talent stopped. Shakira is and will always be leagues above her since she's the creative mind behind her entire career, from writing to composing to producing and everything in between and beyond, it's all HER. Selena would have probably stopped music since her true passion was fashion, not music. Selena's singing alone >>>>> Shakira. It's not even a comparison. 1
toxicgenie Posted February 21 Posted February 21 14 hours ago, shakeyourbombom said: Maybe But Selena’s success was only limited to the US and Mexico. She had very minimal success in the rest of Latin America, let alone other countries. That's not a limitation considering how big the US and Mexico are in size and their music markets. The US / Mexico are also very influential in setting trends to the rest of Latin America and it's why reggaeton and latin trap are so dominant now in latin music.
shakeyourbombom Posted February 21 Posted February 21 54 minutes ago, toxicgenie said: Selena's singing alone >>>>> Shakira. It's not even a comparison. To you only Shakira has a Grammy for her live album 1
shakeyourbombom Posted February 21 Posted February 21 50 minutes ago, toxicgenie said: That's not a limitation considering how big the US and Mexico are in size and their music markets. The US / Mexico are also very influential in setting trends to the rest of Latin America and it's why reggaeton and latin trap are so dominant now in latin music. I did not against the size of US and Mexican markets. But Selena was restricted to these markets. Meanwhile Shakira’s Pies Descalzos gets certifications from: Brazil (1.2 million - a market that doesn’t listen to Spanish music) Colombia (1 million) Spain US Mexico Argentina Chile Ecuador Central America
toxicgenie Posted February 22 Posted February 22 16 hours ago, shakeyourbombom said: I did not against the size of US and Mexican markets. But Selena was restricted to these markets. Meanwhile Shakira’s Pies Descalzos gets certifications from: Brazil (1.2 million - a market that doesn’t listen to Spanish music) Colombia (1 million) Spain US Mexico Argentina Chile Ecuador Central America To make the comparison make sense you have to limit the time frame to 1994. By the end of 1994, Shakira had two flop albums and was mostly only known in Colombia. Whereas, Selena already had successful albums, singles and Grammys. Selena also had a sponsorship deal with CocaCola by then. So yes, I have no doubt Selena would've been bigger than Shakira had she lived. 1 1
shakeyourbombom Posted February 22 Posted February 22 2 hours ago, toxicgenie said: To make the comparison make sense you have to limit the time frame to 1994. By the end of 1994, Shakira had two flop albums and was mostly only known in Colombia. Whereas, Selena already had successful albums, singles and Grammys. Selena also had a sponsorship deal with CocaCola by then. So yes, I have no doubt Selena would've been bigger than Shakira had she lived. Delusional, not you using Magia and Peligro to compare. Magia was released when she was at 13. Peligro was at 15. Are you making basic common sense? Pies Descalzos was bigger than Selena’s whole career on a global scale, periodT 1 1
BabyBenzz Posted February 22 Posted February 22 2 minutes ago, shakeyourbombom said: Delusional, not you using Magia and Peligro to compare. Magia was released when she was at 13. Peligro was at 15. Are you making basic common sense? Pies Descalzos was bigger than Selena’s whole career on a global scale, periodT lmfaoo literally all of this, using Shakira's kiddie albums when she had no creative control. Selena would not have been bigger, she probably would have taken a career similar to JLo's, but smaller and even more local. 2
toxicgenie Posted February 22 Posted February 22 21 minutes ago, shakeyourbombom said: Delusional, not you using Magia and Peligro to compare. Magia was released when she was at 13. Peligro was at 15. Are you making basic common sense? Pies Descalzos was bigger than Selena’s whole career on a global scale, periodT She was signed to a major label and flopped, and was in danger of being dropped. Shakira was 16 with Peligo; many artists have debuted as teens and made it. Pies came out after Selena's passing so can't compare them. 2
toxicgenie Posted February 22 Posted February 22 23 minutes ago, BabyBenzz said: lmfaoo literally all of this, using Shakira's kiddie albums when she had no creative control. Selena would not have been bigger, she probably would have taken a career similar to JLo's, but smaller and even more local. Hard disagree, JLo was already working with Sony and had movie deals locked, so she would have still made it. Selena was called the next big thing, so she would have made it as well. The more likely outcome is that Shakira would not have been able to crossover with both Jenifer and Selena having success in North America and eventually globally. 1
shakeyourbombom Posted February 22 Posted February 22 15 minutes ago, toxicgenie said: She was signed to a major label and flopped, and was in danger of being dropped. Shakira was 16 with Peligo; many artists have debuted as teens and made it. Pies came out after Selena's passing so can't compare them. LMAOOOO Pies Descalzos and Selena’s biggest album were both released in 1995. Pies Descalzos was, is and will forever be bigger than Selena’s whole career on a global scale. That’s a fact. Just simply give me a country Selena received certification from, apart from Canada, US and Mexico. 1
shakeyourbombom Posted February 22 Posted February 22 17 minutes ago, toxicgenie said: Hard disagree, JLo was already working with Sony and had movie deals locked, so she would have still made it. Selena was called the next big thing, so she would have made it as well. The more likely outcome is that Shakira would not have been able to crossover with both Jenifer and Selena having success in North America and eventually globally. Selena didn’t make it globally at the first place. Shakira got a platinum album in the US when she released Pies Descalzos. Meanwhile Selena had zero certification in Spain or any Latin country except Mexico. 1
toxicgenie Posted February 22 Posted February 22 7 minutes ago, shakeyourbombom said: Selena didn’t make it globally at the first place. Shakira got a platinum album in the US when she released Pies Descalzos. Meanwhile Selena had zero certification in Spain or any Latin country except Mexico. Neither did Shakira before Selena passed, what's your point? However, Selena had been more successful by then. And why are you more concerned with certifications than sales? Sales mattered most in this business and Selena had that. For the record Selena passed before she could do promo in other countries.
toxicgenie Posted February 22 Posted February 22 14 minutes ago, shakeyourbombom said: LMAOOOO Pies Descalzos and Selena’s biggest album were both released in 1995. Pies Descalzos was, is and will forever be bigger than Selena’s whole career on a global scale. That’s a fact. Just simply give me a country Selena received certification from, apart from Canada, US and Mexico. Selena's album was released after she passed and obviously she couldn't promote it. And according to this it sold more copies than any of Shakira's albums anyway. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_Latin_albums#:~:text=Momentos by Julio Iglesias is,all-time on the list. At this point I have to question your maturity level because you're just acting like a fanboy.
TROPICUM Posted February 22 Posted February 22 WTF did this thread turn into but let me just say that no latin artist has had the impact Selena had in her few years in the industry and her legacy’s 2
shakeyourbombom Posted February 22 Posted February 22 13 minutes ago, toxicgenie said: Selena's album was released after she passed and obviously she couldn't promote it. And according to this it sold more copies than any of Shakira's albums anyway. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_Latin_albums#:~:text=Momentos by Julio Iglesias is,all-time on the list. At this point I have to question your maturity level because you're just acting like a fanboy. DELL sold 7 million copies worldwide according to Rolling Stone lol More like you can’t even accept Selena was a local thing to Mexico and US 1
shakeyourbombom Posted February 22 Posted February 22 19 minutes ago, toxicgenie said: Neither did Shakira before Selena passed, what's your point? However, Selena had been more successful by then. And why are you more concerned with certifications than sales? Sales mattered most in this business and Selena had that. For the record Selena passed before she could do promo in other countries. Her legacy remained in US and Mexico. Tell me where is her proof of success in other part of Latin America and Spain? Let alone other global markets. 1
toxicgenie Posted February 22 Posted February 22 10 minutes ago, shakeyourbombom said: Her legacy remained in US and Mexico. Tell me where is her proof of success in other part of Latin America and Spain? Let alone other global markets. That's not the drag you think it us. The US is the center of pop culture and Mexico/PR is for latin music. Also DELL came out 3 years after Selena passed, so again it's off the scope. At the time of her passing Selena was more successful and it's a fact.
BabyBenzz Posted February 22 Posted February 22 1 hour ago, toxicgenie said: Hard disagree, JLo was already working with Sony and had movie deals locked, so she would have still made it. Selena was called the next big thing, so she would have made it as well. The more likely outcome is that Shakira would not have been able to crossover with both Jenifer and Selena having success in North America and eventually globally. would've could've should've but at the end of the day Shakira is here and Selena is not and you can rot with your irrelevant opinion on what could/would have been bc you dont know. Welcome to the real world, Selena is not here anymore. Shakira is and since Shakira is a different type of artist(a real one that actually creates her music), she would have made it anyway and that's exactly what she did. THEE biggest female latin artist the world has ever seen, a name recognized in every corner of the globe. 2
shakeyourbombom Posted February 22 Posted February 22 (edited) 18 minutes ago, toxicgenie said: That's not the drag you think it us. The US is the center of pop culture and Mexico/PR is for latin music. Also DELL came out 3 years after Selena passed, so again it's off the scope. At the time of her passing Selena was more successful and it's a fact. But you were the one using the Wikipeidia list, no? Mexico was not the centre of latin music until recent years. Again, tell me where is her proof of success in other countries? You cannot provide one receipt proving her success in other countries apart from US and Mexico. Did she even tour those countries? Shakira toured US, Mexico, Colombia (stadiums), Puerto Rico, Ecuador, Venezuela (stadium), Peru (stadium), Brazil (stadiums), Guatemala (stadium), Honduras (stadium), Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Costa Rica, Argentina, Chile, Panama, Bolivia (stadium) and Spain in her 1996 - 1997 Tour Pies Descalzos. I checked, she only did El Salvador and Guatemala outside of US and Mexico. Brazil is a market that doesn’t really care about Spanish music. Look at Bad Bunny, he couldn’t break into it despite being so big in other Spanish speaking latin countries. Shakira did it with her first album selling 1.2 million (according to Billboard) in the country. Selena couldn’t do it as well. Edited February 22 by shakeyourbombom
Yes, AND Posted February 22 Posted February 22 14 hours ago, shakeyourbombom said: Selena didn’t make it globally at the first place. Shakira got a platinum album in the US when she released Pies Descalzos. Meanwhile Selena had zero certification in Spain or any Latin country except Mexico. You dragging and attacking an artist who was murdered before she even had a chance to release and promote an album internationally is really not the flex you think it is. 2
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