celeb news Kimmel to Lionel Richie: not having Madonna on "We Are The World" was a huge mistake

[popmusicisdead]

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but i'm still standing b!tch

 

 

Edited February 17 by popmusicisdead

[pisuke]

2 hours ago, Raiden said:

WATW came exactly in 1985 — that was Madge's sophomore year of fame.

 

It was just a bit too early for her since the project was more focused on legends who have been stars for multiple years.

 

Cyndi on the other hand was perfect timing as she has become a legend by the mid 80s, given that she burst into global fame in the early 80s.

WTF is this Wattpad worthy fanfic? 

[Mr. Mendes]

1 hour ago, popmusicisdead said:

James Ingram is gone.

Michael Jackson is gone.

Kenny Rogers is gone.

Ray Charles is gone.

Dan Aykroyd is gone.

Harry Belafonte is gone.

Lindsey Buckingham is done.

Bob Geldof is done.

Waylon Jennings is gone.

John Oates is done.

Jeffrey Osborne is done.

Bette Midler is done.

Cyndi Lauper's career is done.

Steve Perry is done.

Lionel Richie is done

Bruce Springsteen is done.

Tina Turner is gone.

Diana Ross is done.

Billy Joel is done.

The Pointer Sisters is done.

Willie Nelson is barely alive.

Al Jarreau is gone.

Kim Carnes is over.

Bob Dylan is done and dusted.

Kenny Loggins is done.

Huey Lewis and the News is done.

Dionne Warwick is done.

Sheila E. is done.

Daryl Hall is done .

Smokey Robinson is done.

 

 

I appreciate the point you're making but let's not pretend that some of these people are not essentially in the same position Madonna is in right now (album and single sales of new songs don't make a dent, their classic catalogue on the rise, but still selling out arenas and stadiums worldwide). And I say that as someone who's been a Madonna fan for most of his life and is seeing her twice this year. We don't have to lie to raise her up. 

[Junipero]

What is up with the Cyndi hate? "She's So Unusual" is a good album, and at the time she had held the record for most Top 5 singles from an album. I too would have thought Cyndi was going to outlast them. 

 

"She's So Unusual" is archived in the US National Archives for a reason.

 

She flopped because she switched music producers(as you can tell, the production on "She's So Unusual" is stellar compared to "True Colors").

 

Wasn't Madonna like 2 years into fame? It would be like inviting Tate McCrae to sing on the song when there are people who have more hits.

Edited February 17 by Junipero

[LikeaRebel]

2 hours ago, Junipero said:

Wasn't Madonna like 2 years into fame? It would be like inviting Tate McCrae to sing on the song when there are people who have more hits.

Madonna and Cyndi’s debut albums were released the same year. And by ‘85 Madonna had already released Like a Virgin which made her a superstar, so I’d say they were on equal footing at that point.

[Lovesong]

Stevie/Bruce part was the best anyway.

Edited February 17 by Lovesong

[Lover]

7 hours ago, popmusicisdead said:

James Ingram is gone.

Michael Jackson is gone.

Kenny Rogers is gone.

Ray Charles is gone.

Dan Aykroyd is gone.

Harry Belafonte is gone.

Lindsey Buckingham is done.

Bob Geldof is done.

Waylon Jennings is gone.

John Oates is done.

Jeffrey Osborne is done.

Bette Midler is done.

Cyndi Lauper's career is done.

Steve Perry is done.

Lionel Richie is done

Bruce Springsteen is done.

Tina Turner is gone.

Diana Ross is done.

Billy Joel is done.

The Pointer Sisters is done.

Willie Nelson is barely alive.

Al Jarreau is gone.

Kim Carnes is over.

Bob Dylan is done and dusted.

Kenny Loggins is done.

Huey Lewis and the News is done.

Dionne Warwick is done.

Sheila E. is done.

Daryl Hall is done .

Smokey Robinson is done.

 

 

but i'm still standing b!tch

 

 

[Raiden]

1 hour ago, LikeaRebel said:

Madonna and Cyndi’s debut albums were released the same year. And by ‘85 Madonna had already released Like a Virgin which made her a superstar, so I’d say they were on equal footing at that point.

 

While Madonna's first album did decent numbers and put her on the map, it was her second album that made Madge the superstar she became — and made her worthy of consideration by Lionel Richie and the WATW crew looking for big names.

 

The debut studio "She's so Unusual" on the other hand, immediately exploded and catapulted Cindy to superstardom.

 

The idea that Cyndi and Madge equally exploded to global superstardom exactly at the same time is ATRL twink fantasy.

 

[ontherocks]

One of the worst and tackiest songs ever tbh. 

[Marioland]

10 hours ago, Mtjjproducer said:

Should’ve kept them both at home cause they both sound a mess vocally 

What? Cyndi is a vocal virtuosa! One of the best voices in Rock n roll history?

[Raiden]

16 hours ago, shyboi said:

were they like the Nicki / Cardi of their time 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Exactly.

 

There was this ridiculous notion back then that Cyndi and Madonna were cut from the same cloth one way or another — and that if you choose one you've picked a representative for both. As if only one female pop queen with iconic style or hairdo or whatever was allowed. Times never change: there's still always room for only one female at the top of the industry's various boxes and brackets.

 

Cyndi was bascially the last act before Gaga that was constantly pitted against Madonna, not counting Madge's major rival outside the music sphere (Sharon Stone in the 90s)

 

 

Edited February 17 by Raiden

[Dante Silva]

The interviewer did his job and actually addressed something that has been a mystery and source of wonder for literal decades.
 

Although it is now a nuance lost to the sands of time, “We Are The World” was recorded during a time period when Cyndi and Madonna were equally famous (and a portion of industry and the public truly did believe Cyndi would be the one whose star in the long term would rise higher and outshine Madonna’s).
 

It was one year later with the release of Madonna’s third album (and Cyndi’s second), that Madonna first entered the imperial phase of her career (and Cyndi despite still scoring hits, in contrast did not).

 

Another surprising thing that happened in that time period (which revisionism has since blurred), is that in the U.S. “Into The Groove” was only released as a “B” Side to the 12 Inch Vinyl single of “Angel”.

 

In international markets, outside of the U.S. it was “Into The Groove” that cemented Madonna’s career and put her on the map with her first No. 1 single (and second signature hit after “Holiday”), but in the U.S. it was the “Like A Virgin” single that pushed Madonna over that line and gave her this achievement.

 

Much like Lionel (in the case of “We Are The World”), Madonna’s team realised too late the appeal and significance of “Into The Groove” to U.S. audiences, but were partially successful in re-writing the song’s status in the U.S. by later commissioning Shep Pettibone (only after he asked) to give it a club mix.  
 

The later inclusion of “Into The Groove” on “The Immaculate Collection” further retroactively solidified the status of “Into The Groove” in the U.S. market.

 

 

Edited February 17 by Dante Silva

[LikeaRebel]

2 hours ago, Raiden said:

The idea that Cyndi and Madge equally exploded to global superstardom exactly at the same time is ATRL twink fantasy.

I don’t think anyone has said that.

[MESSIAH13]

12 hours ago, popmusicisdead said:

James Ingram is gone.

Michael Jackson is gone.

Kenny Rogers is gone.

Ray Charles is gone.

Dan Aykroyd is gone.

Harry Belafonte is gone.

Lindsey Buckingham is done.

Bob Geldof is done.

Waylon Jennings is gone.

John Oates is done.

Jeffrey Osborne is done.

Bette Midler is done.

Cyndi Lauper's career is done.

Steve Perry is done.

Lionel Richie is done

Bruce Springsteen is done.

Tina Turner is gone.

Diana Ross is done.

Billy Joel is done.

The Pointer Sisters is done.

Willie Nelson is barely alive.

Al Jarreau is gone.

Kim Carnes is over.

Bob Dylan is done and dusted.

Kenny Loggins is done.

Huey Lewis and the News is done.

Dionne Warwick is done.

Sheila E. is done.

Daryl Hall is done .

Smokey Robinson is done.

 

 

but i'm still standing b!tch

 

 

[Raptus]

All those men in that dumb song, but leave it to the gays to put 2 women against each other

[Raptus]

And years later Madonna build schools and a hospital in Malawi while all they did was 1 bad song which  benefited only them, not any african country.

 

Edited February 17 by Raptus

[ricardoazevedo]

18 hours ago, BrandNewBrandon said:

We Are The World is a classic and just received a documentary on Netflix. It's iconic which is why you can use a platform like Kimmel to talk about it like how they do. Madonna is a legend and definitley surpassed the relevancy of everyone involved (except Michael Jackson, of course) but if you played We Are The World and Crazy For You to Average Joe's on the street the former would be the most recognized and remembered one. 

It depends of the generation you play both, younger don`t know both, even a single with a lot of stars. Believe i talked to my trainees (18-20 years) and they didn t even know a lot of them, they know Madonna but not the songs. MJ relevancy i disagree, Madonna didn t suprassed him but is equal. Just see since last year how many artist are using her as inspiration. From the 80 triumviratum (MJ, Prince and Madonna) she is the only one who worked better her career, Prince is a genius musician, MJ is the voice but Madonna is for sure the talent.

[ricardoazevedo]

18 hours ago, Zaynsus said:

Yeah, I saw their documentary on Netflix and thought it was weird that they had to "choose" between Madonna and Cindy. They invited dozens of people to sing but they couldn't make space for two of them ? Anyway, it's not like they needed her as the song ended up doing really well and Madge didn't need them either !

Correct. And others like Aretha, Whitney. 

[Chris]

Who really cares to be honest?

 

 

I'm sure Madonna would be ok.

[Chris]

23 hours ago, BrandNewBrandon said:

but if you played We Are The World and Crazy For You to Average Joe's on the street the former would be the most recognized and remembered on