Bears01 Posted February 16 Posted February 16 (edited) 22 minutes ago, State of Grace. said: I love the song but I'm shocked at the stability/smashery, the public really said **** your gay **** to BMS i- I really thought BMS was gonna smash, my straight best friend heard BMS on XM for the first time ever last summer and was BLASTING it and loved it, I thought it was a perfect way to get the casuals back “who miss fun Beyonce!!” Then again, I was certain this song was gonna tank into the pits of hell so I’m terrible at predicting musical success Edited February 16 by Bears01 1
Red Velvet Posted February 16 Posted February 16 (edited) Rollout is going well so far except for Spotify. The playlisting placements are a bit weak (#14 on TTH) Edited February 16 by Red Velvet
Kristie Kuwa Posted February 16 Posted February 16 The problem with the Lemonade era, from the GPs perspective, was that it seemed "performative" (I dont agree, but I get it). First the SB + Formation, where she Positioned herself as one of the major voices of the BLM, then came Lemonade where the scandal around their marriage kind of overshadowed the music while they at the same time still presented themselves as a power couple (which in the eyes of the GP seemed performative). So eventually, the whole era didnt feel as genuine anymore. The optics didnt make sense/seemed ingenuine. To the Gp, a soon as she appeared, a big chunk felt like "here she goes again with her empower bs". As a fan who took time to listened to Lemonade, everything made sense and was heartwarming, but to the average Joe, it felt quite inauthentic/borderline annoying. 3
Attaboy Posted February 16 Posted February 16 1 minute ago, Red Velvet said: Rollout is going well so far except for Spotify. The playlisting placements are a bit weak (#14 on TTH) I feel like it almost doesn’t matter given how it is exploding right now Save it for later, or till they are forced to 1
swissman Posted February 16 Posted February 16 4 minutes ago, Cbreezy said: Love ya, but I'mma have to respectfully disagree with pretty much all of this lol. I'm not a Lemonade-drinker... at all. I live for the Bey brand just as much as her music, so I'll forever appreciate the Lemonade "era" for the true elevation it did for her brand and historical edit. In many ways, the Lemonade era "had" to happen. It legitimized the "critics-darling" glow that she got from ST (rather than ST being seen as a one-time deal) and cemented her as a cultural icon (vs just a rump-shaking chart-topper)...particularly thanks to the social backdrop and her leaning in heavy to her Blackness. However, as a stan that has followed her from her first DC single to now, I continue to be perplexed at how the "least" sounding Beyonce album is the album supposedly most emblematic of her best work. It's solid, with some real gem moments, but for it to be deemed as "definitive" is hella ironic to me. But, hey, music is all subjective. More direct to your point, I don't think **another** surprise drop that took a lot of its cues from ST (e.g. long-form visual that skewed edgy and darker) qualifies as more of a gag than the template it built on...even with the cheating / Becky angle. Especially as she and Jay played the latter so politically and non-descript that it's anyone's guess if it was storyline or fact. In general, I think total shock and awe (ala ST and now Act II) will always hit harder than a pre-heads-up, which is essentially what Formation was to the Lemonade drop. Just addressing the points at hand, it seems you're caught up on the surprise factor when deciding gaggy here, but imo she was able to balance the lack of outright surprise of the drop (since she did say there was a project premiering on HBO) with the scope of the commentary and personal revelations contained within. Lemonade could have been fact, fiction or somewhere in between, but either way it emphatically created a huge amount of press, discussion, shookedness, speculation, discussion, etc. In short: it gagged the world. Can you really argue otherwise? Perhaps it was not akin to the surprise drop itself, but similarly no one saw the content of the album coming and it was a HUGE, huge deal. I can't think of a single other moment in pop history or at least the last 20 years when a pop/song video was also revealing breaking news. There have been controversial videos such as Like a Prayer, or videos that speak to personal and/or tabloid drama like Jenny from the Block, but I don't think there are many (or any) that provide "real-time" drama such as it did. In some ways it's closer to the Britney/Madonna kiss or Beyoncé's pregnancy reveal than anything that had happened in a music video before. And that's part of its brilliance and what made the film SO gaggy. She told us a story, and on that journey we were on the edge of our seats waiting to see how it turned out, and after the conclusion we were still left with more questions and a sense of awe that she actually accomplished all that not just with dignity but with artistry and emotion and a sense of wanting the world to be better for it. And as I said, if we are talking about being gagged during a release week, can you beat getting a visual album and the content of a world tour within four days? And a world tour like FWT, at that.
Massive_Teardrop Posted February 16 Posted February 16 14 minutes ago, swissman said: Just addressing the points at hand, it seems you're caught up on the surprise factor when deciding gaggy here, but imo she was able to balance the lack of outright surprise of the drop (since she did say there was a project premiering on HBO) with the scope of the commentary and personal revelations contained within. Lemonade could have been fact, fiction or somewhere in between, but either way it emphatically created a huge amount of press, discussion, shookedness, speculation, discussion, etc. In short: it gagged the world. Can you really argue otherwise? Perhaps it was not akin to the surprise drop itself, but similarly no one saw the content of the album coming and it was a HUGE, huge deal. I can't think of a single other moment in pop history or at least the last 20 years when a pop/song video was also revealing breaking news. There have been controversial videos such as Like a Prayer, or videos that speak to personal and/or tabloid drama like Jenny from the Block, but I don't think there are many (or any) that provide "real-time" drama such as it did. In some ways it's closer to the Britney/Madonna kiss or Beyoncé's pregnancy reveal than anything that had happened in a music video before. And that's part of its brilliance and what made the film SO gaggy. She told us a story, and on that journey we were on the edge of our seats waiting to see how it turned out, and after the conclusion we were still left with more questions and a sense of awe that she actually accomplished all that not just with dignity but with artistry and emotion and a sense of wanting the world to be better for it. And as I said, if we are talking about being gagged during a release week, can you beat getting a visual album and the content of a world tour within four days? And a world tour like FWT, at that. Formation also was a very left field Beyonce song when it was released and came with a surprise video and superbowel performance which sparked national discourse around BLM and integration of politics and musical. Formation likely would have charted #1 and been one of Beyonce strongest lead singles ever if she had actually released it properly when the video. 1
PrettyHurts Posted February 16 Posted February 16 40 minutes ago, Kristie Kuwa said: The problem with the Lemonade era, from the GPs perspective, was that it seemed "performative" (I dont agree, but I get it). First the SB + Formation, where she Positioned herself as one of the major voices of the BLM, then came Lemonade where the scandal around their marriage kind of overshadowed the music while they at the same time still presented themselves as a power couple (which in the eyes of the GP seemed performative). So eventually, the whole era didnt feel as genuine anymore. The optics didnt make sense/seemed ingenuine. To the Gp, a soon as she appeared, a big chunk felt like "here she goes again with her empower bs". As a fan who took time to listened to Lemonade, everything made sense and was heartwarming, but to the average Joe, it felt quite inauthentic/borderline annoying. um, she also didn't release the music widely. formation would've debuted at #1 and probably sorry too if released normally. 2
Kristie Kuwa Posted February 16 Posted February 16 16 minutes ago, PrettyHurts said: um, she also didn't release the music widely. formation would've debuted at #1 and probably sorry too if released normally. That also didnt help of course
brenda-walsh Posted February 16 Posted February 16 BMS is a 5/10 so makes sense it didn't become a huge smash THE has such a great hook and the whole "Beyoncé goes country" tagline is really attracting lots of attention 1
Cheers Posted February 16 Posted February 16 So are we good for the #1? I don't like the song but I can't have Kanye winning 1
benyonce Posted February 16 Posted February 16 2 minutes ago, Cheers said: So are we good for the #1? I don't like the song but I can't have Kanye winning Kanye isn't the concern.
Cheers Posted February 16 Posted February 16 1 minute ago, benyonce said: Kanye isn't the concern. Yay!
Cbreezy Posted February 16 Posted February 16 2 minutes ago, Cheers said: So are we good for the #1? I don't like the song but I can't have Kanye winning We won't know until the predictors drop their final estimates (usually anytime between today and the weekend). At the same time, the battle was actually always for #2. Jack Harlow's huge radio presence meant #1 this week was kind of an uphill battle. I **think** The Hive's push yesterday may have at the bare minimum secured the #2. #1 would be a welcome gag.
Kh-Loud Posted February 16 Posted February 16 3 hours ago, Machete said: The way I was convinced this era would be the bomb of all bombs and ruin the mini-streaming goodwill she built up with Renaissance She really gagged tf out of me I can't- Gurl I was getting ready to request a 3 months ban 3
B3000 Posted February 16 Posted February 16 21 minutes ago, Cheers said: So are we good for the #1? I don't like the song but I can't have Kanye winning I predict #2. But it does not matter cus we all know Formation, BMS, and THE, would have debuted at number one if B didn’t sabotage.
nooniebao Posted February 16 Posted February 16 26 minutes ago, Cheers said: So are we good for the #1? I don't like the song but I can't have Kanye winning 24 minutes ago, benyonce said: Kanye isn't the concern. Yeah, Jack Harlow is still favoured to be #1 on Monday I believe.
Maxxie Posted February 16 Posted February 16 I have to say she’s really impressive with this rollout and the song doing so well. Congrats B very impressive 1
Mr. Blue_Shirt Posted February 16 Posted February 16 We really live in a time when general people say, "I love that Beyoncé song." They didn't refer to Halo, Single Ladies, or Crazy in Love, but they referred to this song We love a versatile queen! 1 6
Navyboy20 Posted February 16 Posted February 16 1 hour ago, PrettyHurts said: um, she also didn't release the music widely. formation would've debuted at #1 and probably sorry too if released normally. Yeah kind of surprising yall are completely ignoring the biggest factor for why Lemonade didn't smash as hard as it could've...... TIDAL Lemonade was released exclusively to tidal on April 23, 2016. It wasn't available on Apple Music and Spotify until April 23, 2019 I didn't have Tidal so I didn't really get into Lemonade until the pandemic to be perfectly honest. 5
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