artist stats Taylor Swift becomes the 1st artist to occupy top 2 spots on Spotify chart

February 10

11 minutes ago, Holiest Dreams said:

You had me up until here because yes, she certainly is. Kinda insulting to the sheer level of dominance her catalogue has had on a global scale since last year, since literally no one else in history has had their albums take up so much space in every country where there’s an official charts company… but the bar is 2010s Justin Bieber? Even in her ‘weaker’ markets like Italy she’s been charting 5-6 albums every week since summer ‘23

I’m not like coming for you or anything btw, I just think it’s silly to put those examples as a bar for her global success when she’s achieving things across the world that most artists have never seen.

Yeah... Just because Taylor isn't getting publicity (and infamy) for wearing a meat dress or DUI arrests doesn't mean she's not at (and really far above) their level. Even putting aside her US dominance, which is foolish for a global conversation, lets not discount the fact that she's pretty consistently sat in/around the Spotify Artists top 10 (and is #1 in many) since or before the release of 1989TV in: Argentina, Australia, Austria, Belgium, Brazil, Bulgaria, Canada, Czechia, Denmark, Ecuador, El Salvador, Estonia, Finland, Germany, Hong Kong, Hungary, Iceland, Indonesia, Ireland, Japan, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malaysia, Netherlands, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Norway, Pakistan, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Philippines, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Slovakia, South Africa, South Korea, Sweden, Switzerland, Taiwan, UAE, UK, Uruguay, US, Venezuela, and Vietnam. That's all 6 continents, across every macro-organization of humanity imaginable, where Taylor is just about one of the 10 most played artists each and every day, and has been for months.

While there are no clear ways to track 'globality' across periods of music, in the streaming era charting in the top 10 of the artist charts of 90% of the markets that Spotify operates in is as good of an indicator as any. Not only is Taylor global, she's more global than Gaga or Bieber in 09-11. They might've had more infamy, but the people of the world, and of all of these markets were not consuming their music like they are consuming Taylor's.

February 10

25 minutes ago, Holiest Dreams said:

You had me up until here because yes, she certainly is. Kinda insulting to the sheer level of dominance her catalogue has had on a global scale since last year, since literally no one else in history has had their albums take up so much space in every country where there’s an official charts company… but the bar is 2010s Justin Bieber? Even in her ‘weaker’ markets like Italy she’s been charting 5-6 albums every week since summer ‘23

Her catalogue is surging because unlike them she didn't peak with her debut or third album. So it's incomparable. What did you want Gaga to chart with in 2010 other than The Fame? :rip: That's just plain ignorant.

In terms of global dominance for people living outside of the US, no she's not on Gaga's level. Gaga was selling albums and had multiple huge NUMBER ONE hits in practically every market both in the US, the UK, Australia and New Zealand and in non English-speaking countries. Taylor while hugely successful doesn't have a single #1 song in most countries outside of Anglosphere. She has zero #1s in Germany, Switzerland, Austria, Poland, Brazil, Japan, Spain, Italy, Portugal, Greece etc. This is not even worth discussing since these are facts. Just check it for yourself.

I can't speak for Bieber since he was a kid and radio didn't embrace him fully until Purpose but 2010 Gaga literally had album sales, several #1 singles, huge radio play and a very successful tour in 2010. Taylor has huge album sales and a gigantic tour but she doesn't have #1 singles and radio isn't super supportive of her music in non-English countries. So by default when she doesn't clear all four of these boxes (album sales, single success, radio and touring) she cannot be at the same level as Gaga was in 2010 globally.

You Taylor stans brought up Google as one of the reasons why Taylor is so huge once because Google claimed she "broke it" which she in fact never did but that's not the point. The point is that even looking at Google Trends it showcases Taylor being bigger in the US but globally failing to attract as much traction as Gaga in 2010:

Google globally: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=%2Fm%2F0dl567,%2Fm%2F0478__m&hl=da

Google in the US: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=%2Fm%2F0dl567,%2Fm%2F0478__m&hl=da

So I don't doubt that American ATRL users are claiming Taylor's bigger than Gaga ever was because she's nearly reached twice as much traction as Gaga did during her peak in 2010. But then you cannot doubt why people outside of the US claim she still hasn't reached Gaga's peak globally.

So Taylor is super success globally but she has not reached Gaga's level of popularity outside of the US. I know some of you will take this info in a respectable manner and agree because it's not shade or a drag or something like that. At her peak globally Gaga checked all those four boxes and the Google data showcases you that as well, whereas Taylor has not on a global scale reached that same peak, however she has surpassed and checked all the aforementioned boxes in the US by a lot.

February 10

13 minutes ago, wastedpotential said:

While there are no clear ways to track 'globality' across periods of music, in the streaming era charting in the top 10 of the artist charts of 90% of the markets that Spotify operates in is as good of an indicator as any. Not only is Taylor global, she's more global than Gaga or Bieber in 09-11. They might've had more infamy, but the people of the world, and of all of these markets were not consuming their music like they are consuming Taylor's.

They peaked in totally different markets. The vast majority of people consuming music on their iPods consumed it illegally. Gaga's digital era peak was still huge and she had the biggest-selling digital album of all time and the largest digital sales week for a single in iTunes history. She absolutely reigned that era of music consumption. However, Taylor is reigning the Spotify era and she's literally peaking in it.

The facts are that Taylor has failed to have a #1 single in most of the markets you listed, while Gaga has several in all of them and was also a bigger force on radio. That is indisputable. Both have had hit albums in those territories and big concerts but Gaga had more hits while selling albums as well. I think you're just American and you just wouldn't know because you don't live outside of the US.

February 11

51 minutes ago, BrandNewBrandon said:

I can't speak for Bieber since he was a kid and radio didn't embrace him fully until Purpose but 2010 Gaga literally had album sales, several #1 singles, huge radio play and a very successful tour in 2010. Taylor has huge album sales and a gigantic tour but she doesn't have #1 singles and radio isn't super supportive of her music in non-English countries. So by default when she doesn't clear all four of these boxes (album sales, single success, radio and touring) she cannot be at the same level as Gaga was in 2010 globally.

Isn't this just you determining that some paramteters are important because you know doing so would put Gaga above Taylor?

I'm sure you are well aware that a lot of these countries where Taylor doesn't have a number one or whatever, the demand for her tour was still unprecedently high. In Germany, for example, three million were in queue to get tickets for the shows. The question then becomes, what does it matter that she lacks radio support and number ones when she clearly is, at least, as popular as any artist has been in these countries the past 20 years?

February 11

22 hours ago, Storm653 said:

Lol...are you serious? The majority of posts on these types of threads are opinionated and don't cite stats up front.

But here's some stats to "validate" my post.

Taylor Swift Winning #1 IFPI Global Recording Artist for the years of 2014, 2019, and 2022(in less than 3 months)

Taylor Swift Named IFPI’s Global Recording Artist of the Year - IFPI

Taylor Swift Named IFPI Global Recording Artist of 2019 - IFPI

Taylor Swift Named IFPI Global Recording Artist of 2014 (billboard.com)

Here's Taylor Swift being the most streamed artist of 2023 worldwide, beating Bad Bunny without realizing a non-TV album.

Taylor Swift is Spotify’s most-streamed artist of 2023. See top 5 | AP News

Proof she broke Ticketmaster in EUROPE.

Taylor Swift European Ticket Sale Halted as Ticketmaster Experiences More Glitches - WSJ

Taylor selling out stadiums in South America.

Taylor Swift Celebrates Eras Tour South America Launch in Argentina (billboard.com)

Taylor Swift wrapping up a sold out show in Japan.

Taylor Swift wraps up last show in Japan, will she make it to Super Bowl? - Hindustan Times

Cruel Summer went number 1 on the Global 200 charts.

Taylor Swift’s ‘Cruel Summer’ Hits No. 1 on Global 200 Chart (billboard.com)

And I could post even more receipts than that.

Like I said, I'm not saying she's as famous as 09-11 Gaga or 2010's era Bieber or anything but she's still very much globally successful by most metrics.

Yea why didn’t you give this reply at the start, instead of that weak sauce “larger than life” crap?

February 12

15 hours ago, Cooper said:

Isn't this just you determining that some paramteters are important because you know doing so would put Gaga above Taylor?

I'm sure you are well aware that a lot of these countries where Taylor doesn't have a number one or whatever, the demand for her tour was still unprecedently high. In Germany, for example, three million were in queue to get tickets for the shows. The question then becomes, what does it matter that she lacks radio support and number ones when she clearly is, at least, as popular as any artist has been in these countries the past 20 years?

You can't go by touring because the whole touring industry is peaking which is why artists like Harry Styles and Beyoncé have outgrossed the biggest Michael Jackson tour. Sure, she's super popular in Germany hence those ticket sales but Beyoncé has done very well herself, even better than Madonna. Does that mean she's bigger than Madonna?

Again, in Germany Lady Gaga had three #1 singles and 900,000 sold copies of her album along with a successful tour. Taylor Swift has had zero #1 singles and Midnights sold 100,000 copies along with a massively successful tour. Taylor "only" wins with Gaga touring-wise while Gaga wins in the album and singles department. Sure, touring means she's super popular but she's definitely not commercially as successful as Gaga in Germany. Taylor is huge there but we're talking peaks and Gaga is simply above her outside of the US. If we only looked at touring then U2 would've been bigger than MJ and Madonna and Beyoncé would be bigger than Adele + MJ + Madonna as well given that her tour has outgrossed their tours too.

Edited February 12 by BrandNewBrandon

February 12

5 hours ago, Kasix said:

Yea why didn’t you give this reply at the start, instead of that weak sauce “larger than life” crap?

I mean...

I was actually defending Taylor with that post and mostly just brought that up due to how subjective the star power and fame of MPG's is especially in today's era.

I was saying that Taylor is objectively a globally successful artist but she may not have reached the level of fame of previous pop stars in the past due to how much the media has shifted overtime.

February 12

20 hours ago, BrandNewBrandon said:

You can't go by touring because the whole touring industry is peaking which is why artists like Harry Styles and Beyoncé have outgrossed the biggest Michael Jackson tour. Sure, she's super popular in Germany hence those ticket sales but Beyoncé has done very well herself, even better than Madonna. Does that mean she's bigger than Madonna?

Again, in Germany Lady Gaga had three #1 singles and 900,000 sold copies of her album along with a successful tour. Taylor Swift has had zero #1 singles and Midnights sold 100,000 copies along with a massively successful tour. Taylor "only" wins with Gaga touring-wise while Gaga wins in the album and singles department. Sure, touring means she's super popular but she's definitely not commercially as successful as Gaga in Germany. Taylor is huge there but we're talking peaks and Gaga is simply above her outside of the US. If we only looked at touring then U2 would've been bigger than MJ and Madonna and Beyoncé would be bigger than Adele + MJ + Madonna as well given that her tour has outgrossed their tours too.

This is flawed reasoning. Gaga being bigger than Taylor is completely independent from Harry and/or U2 being bigger than MJ and/or Madonna or whatever. It's like if x1 > y1 doesn't imply x > y than how can v1 > w1 imply that v > w? It can because they have nothing to do with each other.

It's not that Taylor had good ticket sales, it's that the demand all over Europe was unprecedently high. Ticketmaster reported it, Viagogo literally saying that the demand for the Europe leg is the highest since The Beatles (which obviously includes a lot of these markets that Taylor lacks whatever she lacks). I get that Gaga's multiple #1s and selling 900k is great and all, but I don't get how that could be better than literally having three million people wanting to see you on your tour (in the same market).

Just out of curiosity, Adele completely stomps Gaga in most of your metrics in most markets, do you think that Adele had a higher peak than Gaga?

February 12

1 hour ago, Cooper said:

It's not that Taylor had good ticket sales, it's that the demand all over Europe was unprecedently high. Ticketmaster reported it, Viagogo literally saying that the demand for the Europe leg is the highest since The Beatles (which obviously includes a lot of these markets that Taylor lacks whatever she lacks). I get that Gaga's multiple #1s and selling 900k is great and all, but I don't get how that could be better than literally having three million people wanting to see you on your tour (in the same market).

Just out of curiosity, Adele completely stomps Gaga in most of your metrics in most markets, do you think that Adele had a higher peak than Gaga?

Her tour is beating these records because it's widely-known to be proclaimed the biggest tour of all time. That's like flocking to see a movie that is proclaimed to become the biggest of all time. It's hype.

But 3 million people in Germany will see her live but then only 100,000 will buy her album and won't find it interesting enough to stream her to #1 on the charts. Like, where was this entire logic for Beyoncé? She's selling out at high rates everywhere, beating almost everyone yet has failed to have an album like 21. She has outgrossed Adele = Adele being less popular is basically what you're saying with that Gaga vs. Taylor comparison.

There are touring forces which Taylor absolutely is. But that doesn't mean she's bigger than her peers when she can't sell as many albums or have as many #1 hits as them. That's like saying Coldplay is bigger than Rihanna because they gross $1 billion and she has not even with her most successful tour. My comparison make sense because you literally implied Taylor's touring means she's bigger than Gaga there despite Gaga outselling her. So I'll go with another example: Is Coldplay bigger than Madonna since they STOMPED on her touring-wise?

And yes, Adele's commercial peak is bigger than Gaga's.

Edited February 12 by BrandNewBrandon

February 13

People really need to stop these non sense topics. I mean, i'm happy for Taylor but it makes more sense to open the thread when someone like Selena Gomez achieve this. What do you expect us to say?

OT: Not surprised.

February 13

26 minutes ago, BrandNewBrandon said:

Her tour is beating these records because it's widely-known to be proclaimed the biggest tour of all time. That's like flocking to see a movie that is proclaimed to become the biggest of all time. It's hype.

But 3 million people in Germany will see her live but then only 100,000 will buy her album and won't find it interesting enough to stream her to #1 on the charts. Like, where was this entire logic for Beyoncé? She's selling out at high rates everywhere, beating almost everyone yet has failed to have an album like 21. She has outgrossed Adele = Adele being less popular is basically what you're saying with that Gaga vs. Taylor comparison.

There are touring forces which Taylor absolutely is. But that doesn't mean she's bigger than her peers when she can't sell as many albums or have as many #1 hits as them. That's like saying Coldplay is bigger than Rihanna because they gross $1 billion and she has not even with her most successful tour. My comparison make sense because you literally implied Taylor's touring means she's bigger than Gaga there despite Gaga outselling her. So I'll go with another example: Is Coldplay bigger than Madonna since they STOMPED on her touring-wise?

And yes, Adele's commercial peak is bigger than Gaga's.

Your first paragraph is all sorts of wrong. No, her tour isn't big because it's big, it's because she's absurdly popular. People wouldn't flock to see a movie because it was proclaimed to be the biggest, it would become that because people were flocking to see it. Nothing more to it.

I don't know why you bring Coldplay into this, but yes, they're absolutely bigger than Rihanna. They have sold more albums and they have generated far, far more revenue in their career than Rihanna. Compared to Madonna it's a different story. Madonna is/was just as much a touring force, and she beats them out on other metrics as well. Do the math yourself.

No, your comparisions do not make sense as you use one comparision to draw conclusions on another comparision, which have nothing to do with each other. What I say about Taylor simply does not hold true for any of the other artists you mention. I have never said that Taylor's touring makes her bigger than Gaga. I have merely drawn these conclusion based on the demand for her tour. But I have already said all this, and don't really care to say it all again.

Then we are in agreement about Adele at least.

February 13

28 minutes ago, Cooper said:

I don't know why you bring Coldplay into this, but yes, they're absolutely bigger than Rihanna. They have sold more albums and they have generated far, far more revenue in their career than Rihanna. Compared to Madonna it's a different story. Madonna is/was just as much a touring force, and she beats them out on other metrics as well. Do the math yourself.

No, your comparisions do not make sense as you use one comparision to draw conclusions on another comparision, which have nothing to do with each other. What I say about Taylor simply does not hold true for any of the other artists you mention. I have never said that Taylor's touring makes her bigger than Gaga. I have merely drawn these conclusion based on the demand for her tour. But I have already said all this, and don't really care to say it all again.

So you agree that other metrics determine that Coldplay aren't as big as Madonna? So why don't you agree with that since all metrics point to Gaga having the bigger peak (which is the very point of this entire discussion) since her metrics just like Madonna beat out Taylor's? And with that Rihanna comment - now suddenly in order to fit your narrative you claim albums are the only thing establishing that Coldplay are bigger than Rihanna. You're telling me if Rihanna and Coldplay released an album with a lead single on the same day that Coldplay would debut at #1?

Touring isn't reliant on peaks though. There are artists who've sold more albums than artists who gross more with their tours. Michael Jackson grossed less than The Rolling Stones so applying your own logic here The Rolling Stones are bigger than Michael Jackson. Because when it comes to the main point of this whole discussion it's that Gaga's peak was and still is bigger than Taylor's outside of the US (bigger album, bigger singles) but according to your logic it's exactly opposite: Taylor's peak is bigger because despite selling less copies of her biggest album and despite not scoring #1 hits her tour is what makes her bigger than Gaga's peak :confused: So that means with your own logic The Rolling Stones having a bigger tour means they're bigger than MJ despite him outperforming them in every other metric. This is what this whole discussion was about, there were claims made that Taylor's peak is bigger than Gaga's because of one metric despite the fact that in every other metric Gaga clearly outperformed Taylor in every other market around the globe.

Taylor has 3 million people lined up but then they clearly don't buy her albums or support her singles afterwards. Taylor is winning with Gaga in one metric in Germany, per your example, while Gaga is winning with her in the rest which is the exact thing you took out of the Coldplay vs. Madonna comparison that did NOT make them bigger than her. So why the switch in narratives? Gaga has sold more albums and more singles than Taylor in Germany regardless if 3 million people lined up for tickets for Taylor's concerts there.

Edited February 13 by BrandNewBrandon

February 13

1 hour ago, BrandNewBrandon said:

Her tour is beating these records because it's widely-known to be proclaimed the biggest tour of all time. That's like flocking to see a movie that is proclaimed to become the biggest of all time. It's hype.

But 3 million people in Germany will see her live but then only 100,000 will buy her album and won't find it interesting enough to stream her to #1 on the charts.

Wow. what a pathetic behavior. You just make sh.t up in your head.

Midnights is #1 in 27 countries, most of any albums, including Germany.

1989TV is #1 in 21 countries, a re-recording that is #1 in more countries than whatever Gaga had. it also sold 3.5M units worldwide, biggest opening besides “25”.

just give up. You have absolutely zero case. Nada. None.

Edited February 13 by Kasix

February 13

taylor also already sold 40 million album last year ALONE. She has already outsold every single one of her peers and will outsell Madonna as the #1 female in 3-5 years, eventually challenging the Beatles.

She’s a century-great level artist at a height your short lived fave will never come close to reaching. Just stop it. And stop making sh.t up in your head.

February 13

2 minutes ago, Kasix said:

Midnights is #1 in 27 countries, most of any albums, including Germany.

1989TV is #1 in 21 countries, a re-recording that still has more #1 than whatever Gaga had. it also sold 3.5M units worldwide, biggest opening besides “25”.

You need a warning point for that language.

Midnights sold 100,000 in Germany. Those are official numbers. Gaga's The Fame sold 900,000 in Germany. Those are official numbers. Gaga has three #1 singles on the official German singles chart, Taylor has zero #1 singles on the official German singles chart. Taylor Swift has SIX Top 10 singles (out of 69 official singles), Lady Gaga has 12 Top 10 singles (out of 46 official singles) on the official German singles chart.

And this is from Google Trends: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=DE&q=lady gaga,taylor swift&hl=da

So Gaga has more #1s, more Top 10 hits, sold more albums AND has had a bigger peak in clicks and traction but somehow Taylor is bigger? :rip:

You need to do some proper research. And watch your language.

February 13

11 minutes ago, BrandNewBrandon said:

You need a warning point for that language.

Midnights sold 100,000 in Germany. Those are official numbers. Gaga's The Fame sold 900,000 in Germany. Those are official numbers. Gaga has three #1 singles on the official German singles chart, Taylor has zero #1 singles on the official German singles chart. Taylor Swift has SIX Top 10 singles (out of 69 official singles), Lady Gaga has 12 Top 10 singles (out of 46 official singles) on the official German singles chart.

And this is from Google Trends: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=DE&q=lady gaga,taylor swift&hl=da

So Gaga has more #1s, more Top 10 hits, sold more albums AND has had a bigger peak in clicks and traction but somehow Taylor is bigger?

You need to do some proper research. And watch your language.

I’m sorry, but are you aware of how silly and garbo your argument is?

that the only place you get to look as a measurement of sucrss is some tiny American colony in Europe that are begging oil from Russia? What about the rest of the world? What about the biggest market in the world - the USA?

you realize what you’re doing is like a beaten up boxer with your jaws broken, eyes purpled and nose bleeding, but you were able to this one tiny insignificant market “where Gaga did better”, right?

stop it. Taylor is at 192M units sold already. Gaga is at 84M. she literally got outsold 2x.

there is no universe other than your head that Gaga is “bigger”. Stop imagining thing by picking random tiny markets.

Edited February 13 by Kasix

February 13

12 minutes ago, Kasix said:

stop it. Taylor is at 192M units sold already. Gaga is at 84M she literally got outsold 2x.

We were not talking about overall career, we were talking about peak eras. And we weren't only talking about Germany but every other country as well (aside from the US, of course).

Lady Gaga's peak era has sold more albums and singles and has garnered her more traction outside of the US than Taylor's biggest era. This isn't about cumulatively, at least not on my part, this is about Taylor not having reached the popularity peak of Lady Gaga outside of the US.

Taylor Swift has outsold Lady Gaga WW overall. We know that. But Taylor's peak is not as big as Gaga's. In other words, Gaga has reached more people at a singular time than Taylor ever has.

And adding to your "Taylor has outsold Gaga 2x" and even though it won't change the numbers (and yes, Taylor has surpassed Lady Gaga overall), we do have to note that Taylor has also released more than twice as many albums. Just wanted to put it out there.

Edited February 13 by BrandNewBrandon

February 13

44 minutes ago, BrandNewBrandon said:

So you agree that other metrics determine that Coldplay aren't as big as Madonna? So why don't you agree with that since all metrics point to Gaga having the bigger peak (which is the very point of this entire discussion) since her metrics just like Madonna beat out Taylor's? And with that Rihanna comment - now suddenly in order to fit your narrative you claim albums are the only thing establishing that Coldplay are bigger than Rihanna. You're telling me if Rihanna and Coldplay released an album with a lead single on the same day that Coldplay would debut at #1?

Touring isn't reliant on peaks though. There are artists who've sold more albums than artists who gross more with their tours. Michael Jackson grossed less than The Rolling Stones so applying your own logic here The Rolling Stones are bigger than Michael Jackson. Because when it comes to the main point of this whole discussion it's that Gaga's peak was and still is bigger than Taylor's outside of the US (bigger album, bigger singles) but according to your logic it's exactly opposite: Taylor's peak is bigger because despite selling less copies of her biggest album and despite not scoring #1 hits her tour is what makes her bigger than Gaga's peak So that means with your own logic The Rolling Stones having a bigger tour means they're bigger than MJ despite him outperforming them in every other metric. This is what this whole discussion was about, there were claims made that Taylor's peak is bigger than Gaga's because of one metric despite the fact that in every other metric Gaga clearly outperformed Taylor in every other market around the globe.

Taylor has 3 million people lined up but then they clearly don't buy her albums or support her singles afterwards. Taylor is winning with Gaga in one metric in Germany, per your example, while Gaga is winning with her in the rest which is the exact thing you took out of the Coldplay vs. Madonna comparison that did NOT make them bigger than her. So why the switch in narratives? Gaga has sold more albums and more singles than Taylor in Germany regardless if 3 million people lined up for tickets for Taylor's concerts there.

I wonder if you are even reading what I'm writing here. I'm saying there's not much between Coldplay and Madonna touring wise, and Madonna leads on other metrics (I'm just assuming now, but feel free to correct me), so I would say she's bigger.

About Rihanna, I didn't say that. I said that they sold more albums and that their revenue is far, far higher (call it touring if you want) which makes them more popular. I don't care about if Rihanna could get a number one over Coldplay, it doesn't matter at this point. I can guarantee you however, if the two acts would play the same date in a city, Coldplay would play the 75k stadium while Rihanna plays the 15k venue. Coldplay probably does four dates while Rih maybe does two.

Okay, now I read the rest of your post. I'm gonna be nice and say that you seemingly choose to misinterpret what I say but as you do so I'm not going to engage more.

Edited February 13 by Cooper

February 13

how insulting it is for you to even pretend one is comparable to the other lol. Let alone holding on the delusion that somehow Gaga hasn’t had her entire career surpassed by 2014?

Edited February 13 by Kasix

February 13

1 minute ago, Cooper said:

I wonder if you are even reading what I'm writing here. I'm saying there's not much between Coldplay and Madonna touring wise, and Madonna leads on other metrics (I'm just assuming now, but feel free to correct me), so I would say she's bigger.

About Rihanna, I didn't say that. I said that they sold more albums and that their revenue is far, far higher (call it touring if you want) which makes them more popular. I don't care about if Rihanna could get a number one over Coldplay, it doesn't matter at this point. I can guarantee you however, if the two acts would play the same date in a city, Coldplay would play the 75k stadium while Rihanna plays the 15k venue. Coldplay probably does four dates while Rih maybe does two.

it doesn't make them more popular just because of revenue. Something can cost a lot and result in having a larger gross but that doesn't mean it's more popular. Avatar is not bigger than Gone With the Wind, for example.

If you can't grasp that being more popular simply means more costumers then we have nothing to discuss. Coldplay can play a stadium to 75k people but Rihanna will have three times as many paying fans listening to her music. So you can't simply say a stadium means more revenue means bigger popularity. It doesn't work like that. When it comes to Germany as well as many other countries when Gaga has a successful era she does Midnights numbers, while Midnights is seen as Taylor's peak internationally. That tells you something. Gaga may not hit it out of the ball park often but when she does she reaches very very good sales, specifically in territories like Germany, France, Italy, Brazil, the UK and Japan. It's not a reach to say that in those specific parts, peak or not peak, Lady Gaga is simply a more famous name.

February 13

8 minutes ago, Kasix said:

how insulting it is for you to even pretend one is comparable to the other lol.

What is it you're drawing comparisons from? You're saying Midnights is bigger than The Fame and Anti-Hero is bigger than Poker Face, Just Dance and Bad Romance? :rip:

You're posting the chart placements of a debut album that obviously didn't debut at #1 and comparing it to a hyped and successful album? How about you post the screens for the #1 placements of BTW and compare them to Midnights? Besides, again, I was talking about peaks so their cumulative sales don't add to this discussion.

Edited February 13 by BrandNewBrandon

February 13

@Kasix

Midnights: #1 in 27 countries

Born This Way: #1 in 28 countries

Like, what were trying to say with those screen shots. Even Gaga's second album has more #1s than Taylor's biggest :bibliahh:

Edited February 13 by BrandNewBrandon

February 13

39 minutes ago, BrandNewBrandon said:

You need a warning point for that language.

Midnights sold 100,000 in Germany. Those are official numbers. Gaga's The Fame sold 900,000 in Germany. Those are official numbers. Gaga has three #1 singles on the official German singles chart, Taylor has zero #1 singles on the official German singles chart. Taylor Swift has SIX Top 10 singles (out of 69 official singles), Lady Gaga has 12 Top 10 singles (out of 46 official singles) on the official German singles chart.

And this is from Google Trends: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=DE&q=lady gaga,taylor swift&hl=da

So Gaga has more #1s, more Top 10 hits, sold more albums AND has had a bigger peak in clicks and traction but somehow Taylor is bigger?

You need to do some proper research. And watch your language.

The fact that you can understand the nuances to the changes in the touring market but cannot comprehend the changes in the music consumption market.

February 13

28 minutes ago, BrandNewBrandon said:

Lady Gaga's peak era has sold more albums and singles and has garnered her more traction outside of the US than Taylor's biggest era. This isn't about cumulatively, at least not on my part, this is about Taylor not having reached the popularity peak of Lady Gaga outside of the US.

Taylor Swift has outsold Lady Gaga WW overall. We know that. But Taylor's peak is not as big as Gaga's. In other words, Gaga has reached more people at a singular time than Taylor ever has.

Absolutely Untrue. Taylor has an album going #1 in 29 countries. Did Gaga have that in her peak? No.

Taylor has an album selling 3.5 million copies in one week worldwide. Did Gaga got anywhere near that in her peak? No.

she sold 40 million albums in one year. Lady Gaga sold 80M albums in 15 years.

She has reached 110M listeners on Spotify. Gaga never cracked 70M.

the list goes on and on and on. Gaga-folks should at least have the self awareness to take a bow.

Edited February 13 by Kasix

February 13

19 minutes ago, BrandNewBrandon said:

it doesn't make them more popular just because of revenue. Something can cost a lot and result in having a larger gross but that doesn't mean it's more popular. Avatar is not bigger than Gone With the Wind, for example.

If you can't grasp that being more popular simply means more costumers then we have nothing to discuss. Coldplay can play a stadium to 75k people but Rihanna will have three times as many paying fans listening to her music. So you can't simply say a stadium means more revenue means bigger popularity. It doesn't work like that. When it comes to Germany as well as many other countries when Gaga has a successful era she does Midnights numbers, while Midnights is seen as Taylor's peak internationally. That tells you something. Gaga may not hit it out of the ball park often but when she does she reaches very very good sales, specifically in territories like Germany, France, Italy, Brazil, the UK and Japan. It's not a reach to say that in those specific parts, peak or not peak, Lady Gaga is simply a more famous name.

OK, one more.

It doesn't? Now, how about the fact that their tour have sold about 10 million tickets, more than any Rihanna album has done? By your logic they should then be more popular as more people are paying to consume their music.

The Avatar vs GWTW comparision is another non-comparision as those movies came out 70 years apart in markets that wasn't close to being the same. They're not comparable in any way.

Popularity and fame are also different things. I would probably agree with you that Gaga (and a number of other artists that peaked earlier) were more famous than Taylor is now overall (because of how consumption of music (and news) has changed), but that doesn't mean they would have been bigger musical acts. But to each their own I guess.

Edited February 13 by Cooper

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