Kiss It Better Posted February 5 Posted February 5 right cause if other artists like say Katy Perry came up with the exact same lyric she would be trashed and wouldn't even get a nom let alone winning AOTY
BnPac Posted February 5 Posted February 5 Lyrics don't make music however Midnights is a much undeserved win. 1
ttsmu Posted February 5 Posted February 5 Imagine thinking this is the best album of the year . Grammys are a joke.
PoisonedIvy Posted February 5 Posted February 5 8 hours ago, lachiqui_klk said: I understand what you're saying but shouldn't the Grammy voters take more things into account that what they like / what's digestible? This year it is a bit more blurred but last year it was obvious that Renaissance was the album of the year. The voters should be professional enough to see that and not vote on their personal preferences. That's why the Grammys are the Grammys and not the People's Choice Awards. The voters aren’t really given a rule book, they just have vague guidelines. Sadly you can’t control how tens of thousands of people vote. Most of them are just going to vote for the album they “enjoy” most. As a hardcore music fan, I definitely know the difference between an album that is “my favorite” and an album that is “the best.” But not everyone separates those two concepts. And it leads to so many upsets with the public because they aren’t grasping that the voters just choose the album they enjoy most
Maroonx Posted February 5 Posted February 5 Topics upon topics of fumes and saltiness over a bloody award... Some of the people complaining are the ones who claim: it means nothing / it's rigged / only awards white people / scammy... if you think the awards are a scam, then why are yoll so butthurt, it mean's nothing right?
Jay07 Posted February 5 Posted February 5 11 hours ago, PoisonedIvy said: Then stop caring about white metrics of success? Renaissance was a queer black album. Like, in what WORLD do you see the majority of American citizens — white folks — enjoying r&b/house/hip hop/dance music heavily injected with black culture? That album is not for them and it never was going to be respected by them. As a black person I am not upset that white people don’t connect to black art, I genuinely do not care. Some of you all need to stop caring too. The Grammys are voted on by peers in the music industry. An album that is more “digestible” is going to have more wide of an appeal. Harry’s album was easier for a country or rock listener to enjoy than Renaissance was. I personally liked Renaissance more but I completely understand that it is a polarizing piece of art. To ignore that is ludicrous. Because the Grammys, at least in theory, shouldn't reward the album that is the most palatable or most consumed but the best. If country voters are too narrow minded (your words) to understand Renaissance, they shouldn't be voting. Excluding black voices because some white people don't understand them accomplishes nothing and just perpetuates structural disefranchisment, we shouldn't just shrug and accept it.
sweetkiss Posted February 5 Posted February 5 im not a swiftie but this song is actually good and karma and cat make perfect sense because if black cat crosses your way you have bad luck so that is kinda like karma in a sense
PoisonedIvy Posted February 5 Posted February 5 1 minute ago, Jay07 said: Because the Grammys, at least in theory, shouldn't reward the album that is the most palatable or most consumed but the best. If country voters are too narrow minded (your words) to understand Renaissance, they shouldn't be voting. Excluding black voices because some white people don't understand them accomplishes nothing and just perpetuates structural disefranchisment, we shouldn't just shrug and accept it. “Best” is a very subjective word. I know yall want to believe every music listener should have the same idea of what the “best” album is but that simply isn’t true. A middle aged, cisgender heterosexual white man is not going to hear Renaissance and think of it as the “best” album they are hearing that year. They’re just not. Hell, a mid-20s African American producer wouldn’t hear Bad Bunny’s album and think of -that- as the best album of the year, truthfully. There are so many different criteria that individuals can apply to their idea of the “best” album. We can call that narrow minded, we can state what we’d have chosen ourselves, but at the end of the day there is literally no solution other than to uplift peer-voted institutions that -do- reward minority voices. No amount of social backlash is ever going to force white institutions to “connect” with black art.
sweetkiss Posted February 5 Posted February 5 11 hours ago, PoisonedIvy said: I will literally die on the hill that “Karma is a cat, purring in my lap because it loves me.” is not a bad metaphor whatsoever. Figurative language, personification of an abstract idea, and direct characterization are all literary elements that contribute to the songwriting of Karma in a colorful, effervescent way. honestly its amazing, and the album they want to put against is not that much better, if anything is worse 'i might kill my ex, id rather be in jail than alone' like wtf
Jay07 Posted February 5 Posted February 5 35 minutes ago, PoisonedIvy said: “Best” is a very subjective word. I know yall want to believe every music listener should have the same idea of what the “best” album is but that simply isn’t true. A middle aged, cisgender heterosexual white man is not going to hear Renaissance and think of it as the “best” album they are hearing that year. They’re just not. Hell, a mid-20s African American producer wouldn’t hear Bad Bunny’s album and think of -that- as the best album of the year, truthfully. There are so many different criteria that individuals can apply to their idea of the “best” album. We can call that narrow minded, we can state what we’d have chosen ourselves, but at the end of the day there is literally no solution other than to uplift peer-voted institutions that -do- reward minority voices. No amount of social backlash is ever going to force white institutions to “connect” with black art. No I'm sorry, these are music industry professionals, not random people off the street. There should be some baseline understanding of what excellence in songwriting, arrangement, production etc. means and the whole point of the ceremony is for these industry luminaries to award music excellence regardless of background, age, race, orientation, whatever. The guideline is literally to "honor artistic achievement, technical proficiency and overall excellence in the recording industry, without regard to album sales, chart position, or critical reception". If you can't do that simple task because of your own prejudice or backwards mind, you should not hold that position. Period.
perfectillusion204 Posted February 5 Posted February 5 It still boggles my mind that people can't understand Grammy's are not JUST about quality of music of these days... WAKE UP ATRL 😂
Ger.vaz Posted February 5 Posted February 5 it must suck to be you all OTHs right now. I pray for you while I get to win being a swiftie and get new music every year. 1
PoisonedIvy Posted February 5 Posted February 5 3 minutes ago, Jay07 said: No I'm sorry, these are music industry professionals, not random people off the street. There should be some baseline understanding of what excellence in songwriting, arrangement, production etc. means and the whole point of the ceremony is for these industry luminaries to award music excellence regardless of background, age, race, orientation, whatever. The guideline is literally to "honor artistic achievement, technical proficiency and overall excellence in the recording industry, without regard to album sales, chart position, or critical reception". If you can't do that simple task because of your own prejudice or backwards mind, you should not hold that position. Period. “If you can't do that simple task because of your own prejudice or backwards mind, you should not hold that position. Period.” I want to address this first because in theory you’re absolutely correct — voters should be unbiased. The hope is that there is very little bias going into the votes. The reality is, that’s untrue. Whether it’s overt prejudice against a certain demographic or genre, or an unconscious bias for or against a specific album, art is subjective and will always be perceived with some sort of bias, no matter how minute. The fact you are insisting that no other album besides Renaissance was even “worthy” of AOTY is an overcorrection of external stimuli on your part and shows you -also- wouldn’t be an unbiased voter. Which isn’t a bad thing, inherently. It’s just the reality of art. Nothing about the perception of art can truly be objective no matter how much we might insist that it can. I share your frustrations. I really do. But the solution isn’t to badger the voters into voting for albums they don’t connect with just because they are the albums that we -do- connect with. The solution is to go where we are celebrated and shine there instead. Seeking validation from white institutions is just running in circles chasing our tails.
Cruel Summer Posted February 6 Posted February 6 13 hours ago, PoisonedIvy said: I will literally die on the hill that “Karma is a cat, purring in my lap because it loves me.” is not a bad metaphor whatsoever. Figurative language, personification of an abstract idea, and direct characterization are all literary elements that contribute to the songwriting of Karma in a colorful, effervescent way. Like, people pretending that lyric is somehow so bad that that album shouldn’t even have been nominated… On top of being a perfectly fine line full of imagery, it’s literally just a self-referential moment for the fans. It’s literally there because her fans know she loves cats. Like, all of Karma is a self-referential, self-indulgent celebration, and it’s not meant to be taken as profoundly seriously as it has to be taken for people to act how they do about that line. If anything is embarrassing, it’s not that an album with these lyrics won AOTY - it’s that we’re still having this conversation over a song that was never as bad as some people wanted it to be. 1
LosingHimWasBlue Posted February 6 Posted February 6 OTHs, release your anger... oh, I love the meltdown
LosingHimWasBlue Posted February 6 Posted February 6 5 hours ago, sweetkiss said: im not a swiftie but this song is actually good and karma and cat make perfect sense because if black cat crosses your way you have bad luck so that is kinda like karma in a sense mostly OTHs are not smart, so we don't surprise... 1
Great808 Posted February 6 Posted February 6 17 hours ago, brazil said: 'Cause karma is my boyfriend Karma is a god Karma is the breeze in my hair on the weekend Karma's a relaxing thought Aren't you envious that for you it's not? Sweet like honey, karma is a cat Purring in my lap 'cause it loves me Flexing like a goddamn acrobat Me and karma vibe like that' With other better alternatives out there? Discuss! The amount of times Taylor uses the “like a..” technique officially makes her a very untalented writer, seriously most of her songs are like this. Automatically no talent when it comes to being a writer. 1
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