Maestro Posted January 31 Posted January 31 UMG do get paid, they just don’t fairly remunerate their artists. Should TikTok pay more? It’s possible. But it’s not a music consumption app like Spotify, it’s only less than one minute clips which serve as music bed for the actual video. The point is, TikTok make a huge loss paying licensing fees. As do Spotify. That’s part of the reason huge companies like Spotify and TikTok still don’t make a profit - major labels command too much money, but they don’t pay it out correctly to artists. UMG is in the wrong here. Whether artists like TikTok or not, they’re going to lose out by not having their music on the platform. 9 2
AvadaKedavra Posted January 31 Posted January 31 (edited) Is Bad Bunny an Universal artist right? Hope they replace those trendy bad bunny tiktok songs with Shakira ones now. The new queen of the Gen Z has arrived But as a swiftie im panicking. A big part of the taylor frenzy is leaded by gen z. Without tiktok. What are we gonna do? Edited January 31 by AvadaKedavra 1
harwee Posted January 31 Posted January 31 AI is the major problem here. That goes beyond royalty. That's existential. And whatever tool their building there are likely at the expense of artists' content. They have already opened their catalogs and I have no trust with how tech companies handle them as far as the development of AI tools are concerned. That on top of the fact that tiktok's non-response is almost an admission that it does dilute royalty arrangements with human artists.
SinnerCity Posted January 31 Posted January 31 That's poorly written and liable to a lawsuit by UMG, which means... Reputation TV Promo has officially started
Trainwreck Posted January 31 Posted January 31 (edited) 1 hour ago, Headlock said: This… is the oppposite of what a Swiftie would write given Taylor doesn’t shut up about fair artist compensation and ownership Ignore them just look at who they stans, its obvious that their brain is wired backwards OT I don't understand - why does UMG want tiktok to pay their artists more when you can't even stream the full song on their app to begin with? It's like 30 seconds/1 minute at best and if anything TikTok could label it as a "preview" of the original song, meaning a direct link to the full song could be attached directly onto the video making it more fair for the artists and easier for them to make a profit/ getting people to discover their music. This won't affect my faves thankfully as they're already dominant in the platform, however I feel sorry for the smaller artists signed under UMG who will now have to find another way to make their music reach worldwide audiences because, let's be honest, nobody gives a crap about radio/twitter/instagram/facebook anymore and people, specialy younger social-media-active people won't use these things hoping to find new interesting artists. I just know mega hits like Cruel Summer couldn't ever be able to have a resurgence 4 years after it's og release if it wasn't for TikTok Edited January 31 by Trainwreck 1
More Than A Melody Posted January 31 Posted January 31 4 hours ago, jadeabove said: TikTok panders to the general public to win their cause just like Uber did, when their monopoly on the market started to raise questions for local taxi drivers (in Quebec). If they get the public on their side, Universal will have no choice but to comply. How? What are stans gonna do? Riot? Be serious.
More Than A Melody Posted January 31 Posted January 31 1 hour ago, AvadaKedavra said: Universal is very greedy. Hope TIktok Keep pressuring them. Theyre the ones who should be paying artists more. Is Bad Bunny an Universal artist right? Hope they replace those trendy bad bunny tiktok songs with Shakira ones now. The new queen of the Gen Z has arrived But as a swiftie im panicking. A big part of the taylor frenzy is leaded by gen z. Without tiktok. What are we gonna do? Shakira has 63 songs in the UMPG catalogue. You guys genuinely are undermining just how many songs UMPG has. As long as there's one (1) singular songwriter on a song that's signed to UMPG, that song is in their catalogue, therefore pulled. To act like this will affect UMG and not TikTok is to not have an idea what you're talking about.
AvadaKedavra Posted January 31 Posted January 31 (edited) 17 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said: Shakira has 63 songs in the UMPG catalogue. You guys genuinely are undermining just how many songs UMPG has. As long as there's one (1) singular songwriter on a song that's signed to UMPG, that song is in their catalogue, therefore pulled. To act like this will affect UMG and not TikTok is to not have an idea what you're talking about. Omg im checking and youre right. Almost every artist is on UMPG Mess This would change the music industry and charts so much i think Tiktok will reconsider. They lose so much power without the songs Edited January 31 by AvadaKedavra
AMIT Posted January 31 Posted January 31 Neither company is on the artists' or the fans' side. They are only concerned for their profits (or how much of those they are losing/are going to lose). Being on either company's side is therefore to completely miss the point, play into their game which means they both are already winning, and frankly, embarrassing in the big year of 2024. Stop buying into the PR, neither of them give a **** about us or our faves. Let's get real. 1
More Than A Melody Posted January 31 Posted January 31 23 minutes ago, AMIT said: Neither company is on the artists' or the fans' side. They are only concerned for their profits (or how much of those they are losing/are going to lose). Being on either company's side is therefore to completely miss the point, play into their game which means they both are already winning, and frankly, embarrassing in the big year of 2024. Stop buying into the PR, neither of them give a **** about us or our faves. Let's get real. UMG has to be on the artists' side because songwriting agreements aren't like record label agreements and these songwriters can just as easily up and leave their company if they do something that doesn't benefit them. Nobody thinks any corporation is wholesome and benign, but UMG HAS to abide by their (biggest) clients rights and TikTok cares about no one other than themselves. Therefore, they're automatically going to be greedier and more selfish.
Zendayababes Posted January 31 Posted January 31 7 hours ago, Delirious said: I'm screaming this is so.. unprofessional?? It is slightly over-aggressive but 100% factual.
G.U.Y_Del_Rey Posted January 31 Posted January 31 (edited) Which ATRLer works for TikTok's PR department. Edited January 31 by G.U.Y_Del_Rey
AMIT Posted January 31 Posted January 31 (edited) 20 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said: UMG has to be on the artists' side because songwriting agreements aren't like record label agreements and these songwriters can just as easily up and leave their company if they do something that doesn't benefit them. Nobody thinks any corporation is wholesome and benign, but UMG HAS to abide by their (biggest) clients rights and TikTok cares about no one other than themselves. Therefore, they're automatically going to be greedier and more selfish. UMG doesn't care about anyone other than themselves either. It could be said that some more powerful artists are forcing UMG's hand on this whole debacle, but even if that's the case I think one would be fooling themselves if they think those same powerful artists have the interests of their smaller peers (in terms of success/notoriety) when going for this move (allegedly). Smaller artists are not going to get much, if anything at all, from this whole circus, some might even lose however little exposure they could get by having their songs on Titok. Tiktok users will lose the ability to use their faves' songs on their videos. I'm not defending or siding Tiktok or whatever, just trying to offer a different, more nuanced perspective from the one both UMG and Tiktok are trying to sell to us, which ultimately benefits only them. Edited January 31 by AMIT 2
More Than A Melody Posted January 31 Posted January 31 21 minutes ago, AMIT said: UMG doesn't care about anyone other than themselves either. It could be said that some more powerful artists are forcing UMG's hand on this whole debacle, but even if that's the case I think one would be fooling themselves if they think those same powerful artists have the interests of their smaller peers (in terms of success/notoriety) when going for this move (allegedly). Smaller artists are not going to get much, if anything at all, from this whole circus, some might even lose however little exposure they could get by having their songs on Titok. Tiktok users will lose the ability to use their faves' songs on their videos. I'm not defending or siding Tiktok or whatever, just trying to offer a different, more nuanced perspective from the one both UMG and Tiktok are trying to sell to us, which ultimately benefits only them. Have you read the requests? They're incredibly reasonable and would 100% benefit ALL artists. This is s weird response to what the requests actually say. There's so many artists whose songs go viral on TikTok just for a short snippet and then never see a penny from it. AI being out of control affects everyone. None of this really affects us. It's not like it'll affect our quality of life or ability to consume music to not be able to use Cruel Summer in a TikTok. TikTok is simply trying to garner sympathy as if it's going to accomplish anything. Truth of the matter is that they have everything to lose because most of their viral TikToks have copyrighted songs in the UMPG catalogue. UMPG existed for nearly a century before TikTok was a thing and it will long exist without it. I doubt TikTok would surive without music. 1 1 1
C-Amber Posted January 31 Posted January 31 Two billion dollars companies accusing each other of being greedy is just crazy They Don't care about the artists, they only care about their money.
Namie-Knowles Posted January 31 Posted January 31 You're a bootlicker if you're defending either UMG or TikTok. Stop pretending that UMG is some humanitarian saint like company dedicating to mitigating of the effects of capitalism, solving world hunger, producing biodegradable products. They are corrupted, god knows how many people were victimized within the company. Stop the bullshit and calling people who defend another billion dollar company that opposes UMG as bootlickers. You are as well lol. **** both UMG and TikTok idgaf about this conflict between billion dollar corporations. I'm here for the mess 3 1
Cameltoe Chariot Posted January 31 Posted January 31 This is giving major "we can't pay you but it'll be great experience and good for your portfolio!!!" teas 2
nadiamendell Posted January 31 Posted January 31 The only ones hurt by this decision will be UMG artists.... especially the lesser known ones. 2
jadeabove Posted January 31 Posted January 31 4 hours ago, More Than A Melody said: How? What are stans gonna do? Riot? Be serious. Public opinion is much more important in PR than anything else. It will also scare any other label.
Delirious Posted January 31 Posted January 31 4 hours ago, Zendayababes said: It is slightly over-aggressive but 100% factual. Factual? No. TikTok is clearly being difficult. Calling companies as greedy etc as another company is not a good move, in fact embarrassing and immature 💀 If TikTok wants to call another company greedy then they better bring out receipts and facts which UMG Already did
SidetoSpears Posted February 1 Posted February 1 (edited) 11 hours ago, imabadkid said: UMG needs TikTok not the other way around TBH. TikTok can go back to having underground/unsigned artists' sounds blowing up... the music industry is dead and HALF of the songs popular on Billboard are a result of TikTok. Whether people like it or not, TikTok is the new popular IT girl at school. The other girls like Twitter are irrelevant and IG is the girl that was once popular but people are slowly moving on. JUST SAYIN'. from the beef tho it appears that tiktok is trying to negotiate the use of artists' likeness & sound with ai through these contacts — in your analogy, tiktok is the new girl who is trying to dethrone ms universal with an army of robots Edited February 1 by SidetoSpears
OrgVisual Posted February 1 Posted February 1 There's a reason why Greedy.mp3 is the no.1 trending song on TikTok recently
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