news U.N. fires 12 staffers accused of planning 10/7 terrorist attack

[Bosque]

On 2/1/2024 at 4:16 PM, ZeroSuitBritney said:

Israel now says it was only 4 employees.

 

 again, still no evidence. 

Well that’s just not true babes, there were 4 UNRWA workers directly involved in kidnapping civilians. There are other ways to get involved in a terrorist attack, and the UNRWA did in fact already fire 9 employees (not counting the 2 who were literally killed during the very terrorist attack they orchestrated - you would think this counts as evidence?)

 

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Israel believes that six UNRWA employees infiltrated Israel as part of the attack, four were involved in kidnapping Israelis

This doesn’t even include the literal dozens of UNRWA Hamas supporters who publicly cheered on the taking of hostages on social media, and told their students to remain in areas for which evacuations were announced by Israel (almost like they want a high civilian death toll in Gaza, because that’s politically convenient for the Hamas leaders living abroad?) under their real names. They were seemingly pretty confident that nobody would do anything against it

 

Finally:

 

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Intelligence estimates shared with the U.S. conclude that around 1,200 of Unrwa’s roughly 12,000 employees in Gaza have links to Hamas or Palestinian Islamic Jihad, and about half have close relatives who belong to the Islamist militant groups. Both groups have been designated as terrorist organizations by the U.S. and others. Hamas has run Gaza since a 2007 coup.

 

Two officials familiar with the intelligence said the Unrwa employees considered to have ties with militant groups were deemed to be “operatives,” indicating they took active part in the organization’s military or political framework. The report said 23% of Unrwa’s male employees had ties to Hamas, a higher percentage than the average of 15% for adult males in Gaza, indicating a higher politicization of the agency than the population at large.

 

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/at-least-12-u-n-agency-employees-involved-in-oct-7-attacks-intelligence-reports-say-a7de8f36

 

This is why it’s important to read newspaper articles in full, not just the unsourced one-sentence summaries posted by activists on Twitter. Hope that helps!

[Communion]

5 hours ago, Dephira said:

There are other ways to get involved in a terrorist attack,

"We should cut off life-saving aid to 2 Million people because a single-digit number of teachers who work for UNRWA were found texting each other tears of joy that the country that forces them to live under apartheid was attacked and thus makes them also terrorists" is genuinely such a sick ******* statement. Genuinely your deranged hyper-racist hatred of Palestinians does the opposite effect. It does not make me view Palestinians as less human. It makes me view Europeans as less human and not worth allying with if some of them like you are capable of this level of dehumanization.

[State of Grace.]

6 hours ago, Dephira said:

Well that’s just not true babes, there were 4 UNRWA workers directly involved in kidnapping civilians. There are other ways to get involved in a terrorist attack, and the UNRWA did in fact already fire 9 employees (not counting the 2 who were literally killed during the very terrorist attack they orchestrated - you would think this counts as evidence?)

 

This doesn’t even include the literal dozens of UNRWA Hamas supporters who publicly cheered on the taking of hostages on social media, and told their students to remain in areas for which evacuations were announced by Israel (almost like they want a high civilian death toll in Gaza, because that’s politically convenient for the Hamas leaders living abroad?) under their real names. They were seemingly pretty confident that nobody would do anything against it

 

Finally:

 

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/at-least-12-u-n-agency-employees-involved-in-oct-7-attacks-intelligence-reports-say-a7de8f36

 

This is why it’s important to read newspaper articles in full, not just the unsourced one-sentence summaries posted by activists on Twitter. Hope that helps!

You're really sick

[Aethereal]

Just fire the 4 workers who were involved, there is no need to cut off the aid and punish all Palestinians in Gaza.

[ForgottenSoul]

1 hour ago, Communion said:

"We should cut off life-saving aid to 2 Million people because a single-digit number of teachers who work for UNRWA were found texting each other tears of joy that the country that forces them to live under apartheid was attacked and thus makes them also terrorists" is genuinely such a sick ******* statement. Genuinely your deranged hyper-racist hatred of Palestinians does the opposite effect. It does not make me view Palestinians as less human. It makes me view Europeans as less human and not worth allying with if some of them like you are capable of this level of dehumanization.

UNRWA shouldn't exist when there are other organisations that can give aid so yeah UNRWA should be shut down and aid should be given properly. 

 

Then don't ally with us? Why is the west doing all the heavy lifting in Gaza in terms of aid while the arab countries around it do **** all.. surely it has nothing to do with the history of Palestine people...

Edited February 4 by ForgottenSoul

[ForgottenSoul]

7 minutes ago, Aristotle said:

Just fire the 4 workers who were involved, there is no need to cut off the aid and punish all Palestinians in Gaza.

I mean a lot of countries have wanted to cut aid for a while imagine giving around 40 billion and it not being put to good use and the arab countries donating nothing.. UNRWA is trash and better to give aid with more oversight then give it to Palestine people and hope they actually give it to people who need it. 

 

Also, it seems to be over 1k people with ties and links to hamas and other terrorist groups. 

1 hour ago, State of Grace. said:

You're really sick

Whats sick in regards to that comment? Everything that person said is stuff thats happened? 

 

Whats sick is people like you wanting to fund terrorists or are they freedom fighters that people on this forum love to call them. 

Edited February 4 by ForgottenSoul

[Daddy]

Israel needs to STFU and stop killing innocent babies. They don't want their hostages back anyway  

[ZeroSuitBritney]

 

 

TLDR: there is no evidence.

[Bosque]

On 2/6/2024 at 5:03 PM, ZeroSuitBritney said:

 

 

TLDR: there is no evidence.

Well this aged like milk. Building a military installation underneath a school is truly vile behavior:

 

Hamas Military Compound Found Beneath U.N. Agency Headquarters in Gaza

 

GAZA CITY—Hidden deep below the headquarters of the United Nations’ aid agency for Palestinians here is a Hamas complex with rows of computer servers that Israel’s armed forces say served as an important communications center and intelligence hub for the Islamist militant group.

 

Part of a warren of tunnels and subterranean chambers carved from the Gaza Strip’s sandy soil, the compound below the United Nations Relief and Works Agency buildings in Gaza City appears to have run on electricity drawn from the U.N.’s power supply, Israeli officials said.

 

A Wall Street Journal reporter and journalists from other news organizations visited the site this past week in a trip organized by Israel’s military. A tunnel also appeared to pass beneath a U.N.-run school near the headquarters.

 

Journalists who accompanied the Israeli military to Gaza City’s heavily damaged al-Rimal neighborhood in northern Gaza were shown the Hamas tunnel network, which snaked for about a half-mile beneath U.N. and other buildings in the area.

 

Next to the room with computer servers, which was air-conditioned, was an electricity-supply room fitted with massive batteries, apparently to serve as a backup if power was disrupted.

 

The electricity room and server room were beneath the Unrwa compound’s own electrical supply room, the officer said. He said wires snaked down into the underground base from the Unrwa compound, allowing Hamas to steal electricity from the U.N. agency to power its underground facility.

 

Near the electricity and server rooms were posters left by Hamas’s military branch, the Al-Qassam brigades, with special instructions for how the operatives should conduct themselves. One poster urged operatives to be careful to guard the site’s secrets.

“You must know that keeping secrets is a religious duty,” the poster begins in red.

For years, Unrwa and the Israeli military have reported occasionally finding weapons caches at Unrwa schools or facilities.

In 2014, part of the parking lot at the Unrwa field office headquarters—perhaps a few hundred yards from where the Hamas tunnels now run—began sinking, likely because of Hamas tunnel work, according to a former top Unrwa official. Everyone at Unrwa knew what was happening, he said, but didn’t want to look too closely.

 

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/hamas-military-compound-found-beneath-u-n-agency-headquarters-in-gaza-7e29c758

Edited February 11 by Dephira

[Communion]

3 hours ago, Dephira said:

Well this aged like milk. Building a military installation underneath a school is truly vile behavior:

 

Hamas Military Compound Found Beneath U.N. Agency Headquarters in Gaza

 

GAZA CITY—Hidden deep below the headquarters of the United Nations’ aid agency for Palestinians here is a Hamas complex with rows of computer servers that Israel’s armed forces say served as an important communications center and intelligence hub for the Islamist militant group.

 

Part of a warren of tunnels and subterranean chambers carved from the Gaza Strip’s sandy soil, the compound below the United Nations Relief and Works Agency buildings in Gaza City appears to have run on electricity drawn from the U.N.’s power supply, Israeli officials said.

 

A Wall Street Journal reporter and journalists from other news organizations visited the site this past week in a trip organized by Israel’s military. A tunnel also appeared to pass beneath a U.N.-run school near the headquarters.

 

Journalists who accompanied the Israeli military to Gaza City’s heavily damaged al-Rimal neighborhood in northern Gaza were shown the Hamas tunnel network, which snaked for about a half-mile beneath U.N. and other buildings in the area.

 

Next to the room with computer servers, which was air-conditioned, was an electricity-supply room fitted with massive batteries, apparently to serve as a backup if power was disrupted.

 

The electricity room and server room were beneath the Unrwa compound’s own electrical supply room, the officer said. He said wires snaked down into the underground base from the Unrwa compound, allowing Hamas to steal electricity from the U.N. agency to power its underground facility.

 

Near the electricity and server rooms were posters left by Hamas’s military branch, the Al-Qassam brigades, with special instructions for how the operatives should conduct themselves. One poster urged operatives to be careful to guard the site’s secrets.

“You must know that keeping secrets is a religious duty,” the poster begins in red.

For years, Unrwa and the Israeli military have reported occasionally finding weapons caches at Unrwa schools or facilities.

In 2014, part of the parking lot at the Unrwa field office headquarters—perhaps a few hundred yards from where the Hamas tunnels now run—began sinking, likely because of Hamas tunnel work, according to a former top Unrwa official. Everyone at Unrwa knew what was happening, he said, but didn’t want to look too closely.

 

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/hamas-military-compound-found-beneath-u-n-agency-headquarters-in-gaza-7e29c758

You would have genuinely been a nazi 100 years ago. Holy ****. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 11 by Communion

[ZeroSuitBritney]

4 hours ago, Dephira said:

Well this aged like milk. Building a military installation underneath a school is truly vile behavior:

 

Hamas Military Compound Found Beneath U.N. Agency Headquarters in Gaza

 

GAZA CITY—Hidden deep below the headquarters of the United Nations’ aid agency for Palestinians here is a Hamas complex with rows of computer servers that Israel’s armed forces say served as an important communications center and intelligence hub for the Islamist militant group.

 

Part of a warren of tunnels and subterranean chambers carved from the Gaza Strip’s sandy soil, the compound below the United Nations Relief and Works Agency buildings in Gaza City appears to have run on electricity drawn from the U.N.’s power supply, Israeli officials said.

 

A Wall Street Journal reporter and journalists from other news organizations visited the site this past week in a trip organized by Israel’s military. A tunnel also appeared to pass beneath a U.N.-run school near the headquarters.

 

Journalists who accompanied the Israeli military to Gaza City’s heavily damaged al-Rimal neighborhood in northern Gaza were shown the Hamas tunnel network, which snaked for about a half-mile beneath U.N. and other buildings in the area.

 

Next to the room with computer servers, which was air-conditioned, was an electricity-supply room fitted with massive batteries, apparently to serve as a backup if power was disrupted.

 

The electricity room and server room were beneath the Unrwa compound’s own electrical supply room, the officer said. He said wires snaked down into the underground base from the Unrwa compound, allowing Hamas to steal electricity from the U.N. agency to power its underground facility.

 

Near the electricity and server rooms were posters left by Hamas’s military branch, the Al-Qassam brigades, with special instructions for how the operatives should conduct themselves. One poster urged operatives to be careful to guard the site’s secrets.

“You must know that keeping secrets is a religious duty,” the poster begins in red.

For years, Unrwa and the Israeli military have reported occasionally finding weapons caches at Unrwa schools or facilities.

In 2014, part of the parking lot at the Unrwa field office headquarters—perhaps a few hundred yards from where the Hamas tunnels now run—began sinking, likely because of Hamas tunnel work, according to a former top Unrwa official. Everyone at Unrwa knew what was happening, he said, but didn’t want to look too closely.

 

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/hamas-military-compound-found-beneath-u-n-agency-headquarters-in-gaza-7e29c758

 

36 minutes ago, Communion said:

You would have genuinely been a nazi 100 years ago. Holy ****. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Looks like it aged like fine wine to me. 

[Bosque]

According to the Israeli government spokesman, they invited the UNRWA directors to take a tour of the Hamas facilities built directly underneath UNRWA offices and schools, but the invitation was ignored. I wonder why that is since we’ve heard that the UNRWA is conducting an extremely thorough investigation of the accusations (at 2:50)

 

You would think that people who want to pretend to care about Palestinians would say something like “building military infrastructure under and hiding weapon caches in UN-run schools is bad”, but apparently instead the strategy of choice is to bully and shame everyone who mentions that these things are happening 

[ClashAndBurn]

1 hour ago, Communion said:

You would have genuinely been a nazi 100 years ago. Holy ****. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

14 minutes ago, Dephira said:

According to the Israeli government spokesman, they invited the UNRWA directors to take a tour of the Hamas facilities built directly underneath UNRWA offices and schools, but the invitation was ignored. I wonder why that is since we’ve heard that the UNRWA is conducting an extremely thorough investigation of the accusations (at 2:50)

 

You would think that people who want to pretend to care about Palestinians would say something like “building military infrastructure under and hiding weapon caches in UN-run schools is bad”, but apparently instead the strategy of choice is to bully and shame everyone who mentions that these things are happening 

The Israeli government are known liars who fabricate evidence and present things misleadingly all the time. Your audition to replace Mark Regev isn't working here!

[ZeroSuitBritney]

4 minutes ago, Dephira said:

According to the Israeli government spokesman, they invited the UNRWA directors to take a tour of the Hamas facilities built directly underneath UNRWA offices and schools, but the invitation was ignored. I wonder why that is since we’ve heard that the UNRWA is conducting an extremely thorough investigation of the accusations (at 2:50)

 

You would think that people who want to pretend to care about Palestinians would say something like “building military infrastructure under and hiding weapon caches in UN-run schools is bad”, but apparently instead the strategy of choice is to bully and shame everyone who mentions that these things are happening 

You’re still listening to anything this Israeli spokesperson is saying? Or anyone from the Israeli government or IDF forces on the ground? After literally all the lies they have spewed out have been disproven time and time and time and time again? What happened to the Hamas base or tunnels under Al-Shifa hospital? They even made a cute 3D video animation to go along with their claims! Are you telling me it moved from Al-Shifa hospital to Khan Younis and is now under the UNRWA headquarters? 

[N.M.K.]

So people here said they changed it to 4 but it looks like it’s over 30 people. I know the instinct now is to say fake news though

 

https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/1708097279-idf-reveals-these-are-the-12-unrwa-staffers-who-took-part-in-oct-7-massacre

 

[Bosque]

6 hours ago, N.M.K. said:

So people here said they changed it to 4 but it looks like it’s over 30 people. I know the instinct now is to say fake news though

 

https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/1708097279-idf-reveals-these-are-the-12-unrwa-staffers-who-took-part-in-oct-7-massacre

 

They'll just say "Oh there's evidence for what Israel was saying? How convenient for the narrative" and dismiss everything as propaganda. 
 

I mean, a user in this thread outright lied about verifiable facts concerning this case (without a source) and I just got downvoted for correcting him

Edited February 16 by Dephira

[Communion]

9 hours ago, N.M.K. said:

So people here said they changed it to 4 but it looks like it’s over 30 people. I know the instinct now is to say fake news though

 

https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/1708097279-idf-reveals-these-are-the-12-unrwa-staffers-who-took-part-in-oct-7-massacre

 

 

3 hours ago, Dephira said:

They'll just say "Oh there's evidence for what Israel was saying? How convenient for the narrative" and dismiss everything as propaganda. 
 

I mean, a user in this thread outright lied about verifiable facts concerning this case (without a source) and I just got downvoted for correcting him

 

On 1/26/2024 at 4:14 PM, Communion said:

"LOOK! LOOK AT THESE TELEGRAM SCREENSHOTS OF GAZANS WORKING FOR THE UN CELEBRATING HAMAS BREACHING THE BORDER AND TEXTING EACH OTHER CELEBRATIONS! I BET YOU REGRET SAYING BOMBING HOSPITALS WAS WRONG NOW, HUH??"

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 that over 30 UNRWA workers looted and stole from Israeli communities and more.

"How dare people kept in a concentration camps walk around and explore their ancestral homeland after the literal barb-wired fence keeping them enclosed like animals was knocked down? Stealing a loaf of bread from an abandoned Israeli home (oddly placed just a mile from an open air prison) after its inhabitants have fled justifies 30,000 people dead! Let 2M starve!!"

 

Genuinely Zionists bring nothing but dysfunctional bigotry to the world order and should be considered a pariah in society no different to a apartheid-era Boer or Ku Klux Klan member.

Edited February 17 by Communion

[N.M.K.]

11 hours ago, Communion said:

 

 

"How dare people kept in a concentration camps walk around and explore their ancestral homeland after the literal barb-wired fence keeping them enclosed like animals was knocked down? Stealing a loaf of bread from an abandoned Israeli home (oddly placed just a mile from an open air prison) after its inhabitants have fled justifies 30,000 people dead! Let 2M starve!!"

 

Genuinely Zionists bring nothing but dysfunctional bigotry to the world order and should be considered a pariah in society no different to an apartheid-era Boer or Ku Klux Klan member.

lol so just say that. Stop denying that these facts happened when what you really mean is they were justified. The shifting goal posts are wild 
 

anyway, another example: 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2024/02/16/unrwa-video-oct-7-israel/

[Aethereal]

3 hours ago, N.M.K. said:

lol so just say that. Stop denying that these facts happened when what you really mean is they were justified. The shifting goal posts are wild 
 

anyway, another example: 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2024/02/16/unrwa-video-oct-7-israel/

Of course I don't support the Oct 7th massacre or aid to terrorists however I also don't want this to be true because many Palestinian will suffer from this. 

[Communion]

5 hours ago, N.M.K. said:

denying that these facts happened

You suggested that people who casted doubt on Israel's "evidence" were wrong.

You then linked to the Israeli government re-affirming that the only way they could jump from the 4 (down from 12) people it is accusing of terrorism to now 30 it claims is to expand the definition of terrorism to include petty theft and trespassing. 

 

No one has been proven wrong. No one is denying anything. Israel is now changing what it is defining as "participating in terrorism".

 

No one believes you. No one believes your country. You know you're now arguing that stealing bread from empty Israeli homes is terrorism because you're committing genocide and the world is turning away from the bloodlust your nation have shown.

Edited February 17 by Communion

[Communion]

Welp. 

 

 

[ZeroSuitBritney]

On 3/1/2024 at 7:18 PM, Communion said:

Welp. 

 

 

Waiting for a few folks to come in here and call the EU anti-semetic! 

[Communion]

On 2/4/2024 at 3:58 AM, Bosque said:

Well that's just not true babes, there were 4 UNRWA workers directly involved in kidnapping civilians. There are other ways to get involved in a terrorist attack, and the UNRWA did in fact already fire 9 employees (not counting the 2 who were literally killed during the very terrorist attack they orchestrated - you would think this counts as evidence?)

 

This doesn't even include the literal dozens of UNRWA Hamas supporters who publicly cheered on the taking of hostages on social media, and told their students to remain in areas for which evacuations were announced by Israel (almost like they want a high civilian death toll in Gaza, because that's politically convenient for the Hamas leaders living abroad?) under their real names. They were seemingly pretty confident that nobody would do anything against it

 

Finally:

 

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/at-least-12-u-n-agency-employees-involved-in-oct-7-attacks-intelligence-reports-say-a7de8f36

 

This is why it's important to read newspaper articles in full, not just the unsourced one-sentence summaries posted by activists on Twitter. Hope that helps!

 

On 2/4/2024 at 11:36 AM, ForgottenSoul said:

UNRWA shouldn't exist when there are other organisations that can give aid so yeah UNRWA should be shut down and aid should be given properly. 

 

Then don't ally with us? Why is the west doing all the heavy lifting in Gaza in terms of aid while the arab countries around it do **** all.. surely it has nothing to do with the history of Palestine people...

 

On 2/16/2024 at 12:16 PM, N.M.K. said:

So people here said they changed it to 4 but it looks like it's over 30 people. I know the instinct now is to say fake news though

 

https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/1708097279-idf-reveals-these-are-the-12-unrwa-staffers-who-took-part-in-oct-7-massacre

 

Thoughts?