Bosque Posted January 19 Posted January 19 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Both Sides Now said: This is the official statement from Germany, as I quoted. They make no reasoning but say they feel guilty because they genocided European Jews. This video only contains a clip from the German Economy Minster who (while speaking in Israel) said that “From The River To Sea” constitutes genocidal intent. Whoopsie! That’s what Netanyahu just said. Another pathetic L for Germany. Thank you for adding to South Africa’s case Germany! His other point is that Hamas is the actual genocidal party. A useless point since Hamas is not a state and therefore can’t be brought before The Hague. This topic seems a bit advanced for you. An article summarizing a quote by a German spokesperson is... the full official court statement? Are you sure about that? Palestine is indeed a state recognized by many countries around the world, which is why it was Palestine whose draft resolution was forwarded to the ICJ: https://english.wafa.ps/Pages/Details/131810 How can they submit something to the ICJ if they are not a state as you mentioned? It doesn't seem like you are very knowledgeable on this topic besides regurgitating verified Twitter users with 250 followers. Palestine is indeed a state and democratically elected Hamas to be their representatives, and Hamas has the following to say about all this: Quote "Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it. [Peace] initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement... Those conferences are no more than a means to appoint the infidels as arbitrators in the lands of Islam... There is no solution for the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility. The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him." https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp Edited January 20 by Dephira 1 4
Communion Posted January 20 Posted January 20 (edited) 1 hour ago, Dephira said: How does participating in a court case (that was hailed by leftists as an amazing court case that would finally bring to light all the bad stuff "Hmmm you said you want Israel brought to justice yet have an issue with Germany being on the team trying to stop that in the court case YOU wanted??" You are a bad person whose children and children's children's will remember you with hatred and embarrassment. You are evidence of a sickness running deeply through the consciousness of the greater German citizenry. Edited January 20 by Communion 2 2
Both Sides Now Posted January 20 Posted January 20 1 minute ago, Dephira said: An article summarizing a quote by a German spokesperson is... the full official court statement? Are you sure about that? I’ve been extremely confused by your insisting that Germany’s “well-established reasons for intervening“ until I just realised… you think Germany has already intervened in the case. GERMANY HASN’T MADE A SINGLE COURT STATEMENT YET YOU BOZO This is the only statement we have from Germany on their pro-genocide campaign. Not you just assuming that the so far non-existent German statements were “well-established” Really exemplifies your bad faith arguments. Oh my god, get off the floor Dephira! 1 3 1
Both Sides Now Posted January 20 Posted January 20 17 minutes ago, stevyy said: one of the most insufferable and quite frankly stupid comments I've ever seen. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_war_crimes 1 2
Bosque Posted January 20 Posted January 20 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Both Sides Now said: I’ve been extremely confused by your insisting that Germany’s “well-established reasons for intervening“ until I just realised… you think Germany has already intervened in the case. GERMANY HASN’T MADE A SINGLE COURT STATEMENT YET YOU BOZO This is the only statement we have from Germany on their pro-genocide campaign. Not you just assuming that the so far non-existent German statements were “well-established” Really exemplifies your bad faith arguments. Oh my god, get off the floor Dephira! You can read up more on the ICJ and the reasons why countries are generally allowed to intervened in their cases here. These reasons are indeed fully independent of the current case, so I'm not sure what you think your caps lock and exaggerated emojis are doing for you: https://verfassungsblog.de/why-germany-should-join-sides-with-israel-before-the-icj-in-its-defense-against-south-africas-accusation-of-genocide/ It's always good to learn more about our institutions, kudos to you for educating yourself! Edited January 20 by Dephira 1 2
Communion Posted January 20 Posted January 20 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Dephira said: You can read up more on the ICJ and the reasons why countries are generally allowed to intervened in their cases here: https://verfassungsblog.de/why-germany-should-join-sides-with-israel-before-the-icj-in-its-defense-against-south-africas-accusation-of-genocide/ It's always good to learn more! Germany has "every legal right to intervene" and explicitly defend Israel for committing genocide. That legal right doesn't change the reality of you and other German nationalists from being nazis for your defenses of this genocide. Whatever institutions have been built in Germany to reform itself from the horror of massacring 6M Jewish people have clearly failed and need to be wiped away and started anew. The Jewish people your generation's grandparents hated and despised have been replaced in your eyes by Palestinians. Edited January 20 by Communion 6 2
stevyy Posted January 20 Posted January 20 7 minutes ago, Both Sides Now said: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_war_crimes U are aware that you liked a comment which states that Germany = Nazi Germany, right? 2
stevyy Posted January 20 Posted January 20 5 minutes ago, Communion said: Germany has every right to intervene and defend Israel for committing genocide. That right doesn't change you and other German nationalists from being nazis for your defense of this genocide. Whatever institutions have been built in Germany to reform itself from the horror of massacring 6M jewish people have clearly failed and need to be wiped away and started anew. u have just called someone a nazi... like just like that. 3
Both Sides Now Posted January 20 Posted January 20 3 minutes ago, Dephira said: You can read up more on the ICJ and the reasons why countries are generally allowed to intervened in their cases here. These reasons are indeed fully independent of the current case, so I'm not sure what you think your caps lock and exaggerated emojis are doing for you: https://verfassungsblog.de/why-germany-should-join-sides-with-israel-before-the-icj-in-its-defense-against-south-africas-accusation-of-genocide/ It's always good to learn more about our institutions, kudos to you for educating yourself! Dephira you clearly were arguing that Germany had presented to the ICJ. As you stated: 1. “Did you read the court case and Germany's statement, as well as their well-established reasons for intervening?” 2. “literally is not even part of Germany's statement at the court? Did you even read an article summarizing the proceedings?” 3. “An article summarizing a quote by a German spokesperson is... the full official court statement? Are you sure about that?” Oh you really thought Germany presented at the ICJ and just blindly agreed with the non-existent proceedings. And now you’re linking me to some random German blogger instead? OH IT WAS BAD FOR YOU 2 1
Communion Posted January 20 Posted January 20 Just now, stevyy said: u have just called someone a nazi... like just like that. If the shoe fits. 3
stevyy Posted January 20 Posted January 20 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Communion said: If the shoe fits. It didn't and doesn't. Calling someone in the middle of a debate about Genocide intervention a Nazi is ridiculous. Edited January 20 by stevyy 4
Specter Posted January 20 Posted January 20 Comical. To have learned "we will stand side by side with the Jewish people of Israel as they commit a genocide like ours" instead of "genocide is unacceptable" is...yeah. Comical. This isn't even course correction, it's over compensation to the highest, most malevolent degree. That you are willing to aid and abet an ongoing genocide constructed by those that you yourself sought to eliminate, as what? "Solidarity"? Repulsive. Not shocked to see certain members in hysterics over the realization that the European liberal democracy dream that is so often postured as superior to say, American politics, has actually been unable and unequipped to learn from the mass-murder of nearly 6M people. I would be doing mental gymnastics too 24/7 all day if I were a citizen of Germany. 1 6 1 2
stevyy Posted January 20 Posted January 20 3 minutes ago, Both Sides Now said: Dephira you clearly were arguing that Germany had presented to the ICJ. As you stated: 1. “Did you read the court case and Germany's statement, as well as their well-established reasons for intervening?” 2. “literally is not even part of Germany's statement at the court? Did you even read an article summarizing the proceedings?” 3. “An article summarizing a quote by a German spokesperson is... the full official court statement? Are you sure about that?” Oh you really thought Germany presented at the ICJ and just blindly agreed with the non-existent proceedings. And now you’re linking me to some random German blogger instead? OH IT WAS BAD FOR YOU U lost that debate the second you agreed that Germany = Nazi Germany. 6
stevyy Posted January 20 Posted January 20 1 minute ago, Phantom said: Comical. To have learned "we will stand side by side with the Jewish people of Israel as they commit a genocide like ours" instead of "genocide is unacceptable" is...yeah. Comical. This isn't even course correction, it's over compensation to the highest, most malevolent degree. That you are willing to aid and abet an ongoing genocide constructed by those that you yourself sought to eliminate, as what? "Solidarity"? Repulsive. Not shocked to see certain members in hysterics over the realization that the European liberal democracy dream that is so often postured as superior to say, American politics, has actually been unable and unequipped to learn from the mass-murder of nearly 6M people. I would be doing mental gymnastics too 24/7 all day if I were a citizen of Germany. ridiculous comment. But keep em coming. 6
Specter Posted January 20 Posted January 20 Germans in this thread, please get over your own pathological need to be emotionally coddled and/or be deemed innocent of not upholding or defending your nation's current complicity in perpetuating yet ANOTHER genocide. Not interested in your personal hang ups over the term Nazi, which honestly can easily fit if you defend the government's action. Regardless, your personal discomfort to labels has no place in the discussion of a literal survivors voice being shut down. 6 1 2
Bosque Posted January 20 Posted January 20 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Both Sides Now said: Oh you really thought Germany presented at the ICJ and just blindly agreed with the non-existent proceedings. And now you’re linking me to some random German blogger instead? OH IT WAS BAD FOR YOU Where exactly did I say this? How can Germany "blindly agree" with proceedings that don't exist? Here is another first-hand source on a previous ICJ intervention carried out on behalf of several nations that may help you educate yourself on the issue at hand without being biased by the parties actually involved in the current lawsuit: https://www.icj-cij.org/index.php/node/203040 Edited January 20 by Dephira 1 3
Nova_23 Posted January 20 Posted January 20 45 minutes ago, stevyy said: It didn't and doesn't. Calling someone in the middle of a debate about Genocide intervention a Nazi is ridiculous. The fact that you’re out here debating genocide when 24,000+ people have been murdered in 3 months says everything about you. You don’t want to be called a Nazi? Then stop acting like one. 4
Nova_23 Posted January 20 Posted January 20 I’m just wondering for those of you wanting to die on the hill Israel will die on, what do you get out of it? Like what do you get out of defending a country that’s murdered 24,000+ civilians in 3 months get you? All you guys look is evil. Period. 4
Luckitty Posted January 20 Posted January 20 Germany have committed several genocides, no wonder they're defending other people who commit genocides as well 3
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