Jon Snow Posted January 18 Posted January 18 10 hours ago, Armani? said: What about the bisexual people? they're just hot 10 hours ago, Aristotle said: I've started checking the interviews of gay porn stars there is definitely something that screams gay 9/10 of the times. Even if they voice is not gay still the voice is never strictly deep and butch at most it is a neutral like an english YT speaker but there is also the body language. There were only three gays that did not pass the gay test based on my patterns. my point isn't that there's nothing there, there is. they do have the voice. it's just that it's those gays that self-identify. gay people who do not self-identify as gay wouldn't be included and i believe their voices wouldn't be that gay sounding because there are the socially constructed elements too. our behavior is biology + what we learn
Jon Snow Posted January 18 Posted January 18 (edited) 7 hours ago, Orsay said: It’s definitely not my best friend growing up was SUPER gay and his identical twin brother was super straight, dirt biking married to a woman etc. There are many instances of this and it completely destroys the “genetic” argument since identical twins share 100% of their DNA 7 hours ago, LittleStarmen said: There are studies of indentical twins who grow up apart and both turn out to be gay aswell. No single case destroys the argument Its obviously a biology related behavior weather a gene or something pregnancy/hormone related why wouldnt it be? 5 hours ago, Raphy23 said: Then why are people born with a gay sexuality and can’t choose or change it? 4 hours ago, anti-***** said: But what if people in general are genetically more sexually fluid than what has been thought previously? Ofc you can have preferences that come from genetics and epigenetics. And it makes evolutionary sense that most people are attracted to the opposite sex. But if gender can be spectrum then why not sexuality as well? I feel like we are only beginning to understand these things. And I think women are far ahead of men when it comes to this kind of sexual/romantic liberation, but I hope men will catch up soon enough. It's sad to see or hear stories about guys struggling with their sexuality still in 2024. And that's just because someone's told them that being gay is wrong. We can't be truly free as people until homophobia and transphobia have been erased from the world. 4 hours ago, anti-***** said: I think being "born" gay or straight might be an oversimplification of what's really going on. Like, if you see my post right above this one, I was thinking about what if human sexuality is a spectrum, kind of like gender. There could be some genetic thing that makes people prefer either the feminine or masculine form, but it might not be just one gene that either is in you or is not. And you've probably noticed that the type of people you are attracted to changes with age, right? So, the gender you are attracted to might be the same always, but you start to like something a little different within that gender. I hope that makes some sense, lol. And if you've ever had girl crush, as a gay male, that would be normal too. 4 hours ago, LittleStarmen said: But the spectrum is a combination of genes or other biological things 4 hours ago, Twixters said: I don’t care what anyone says there is some genetic reasoning for this. It happens across all Cultures and demographics of gay men. I remember I took a biology class. She told me they had started to recognize some genetic markers for possibilities of homosexuality (it was in flies I think) she said though they would probably never publicate it though cause the backlash and possible genocide. Imagine if people could find out their child had a gay gene or they were a carrier? Could be chaotic. Especially with all the religious nut cases. 3 hours ago, Great808 said: It is definitely biological and I say that because there are sooooo many gay men that have naturally feminine faces as well, to the point where no vocal output is needed to tell they are. I’ve notices that so many times, even if they grow beards they still have a very gay face. there is the biological factor, sure. it's just that it's not the only one. let's take violence for example. we are born with predispositions to do violent things, it doesn't mean that people are violent by nature. it just means that they are able to do it. it just depends on social and psychological factors whether whey would end up violent sexuality is a spectrum, but it's not 100% biology or 100% socially constructed, just like violence isn't. you are born with some predispositions, and it depends on different factors how your personality will shape. it shapes very early in life, too. so, even if there is no thing as gay gene, there are some things that affect us (and i couldn't explain what because i do social sciences and have zero knowledge on biology), but there is (probably much more) other factors that affect us and end up shaping our sexuality. i tend to believe that all people biologically are able to be with any sex, but it just depends on how those factors are shaped. it is true that we're just now beginning to understand this and i'm just giving some of my opinions. i don't study how society affects our personalities, it's just a thing that i've heard from a psychologist. there is a similar point with sex and gender. trans people are born genetically like all other people, it's just that genetics isn't the only (nor the most important) factor so... there are a lot of factors that affect our sexuality, and it's a very complex subject Edited January 18 by Jon Snow 3
truthteller Posted January 18 Posted January 18 12 hours ago, EtherealCat said: no more speaking for me 1
Raphy23 Posted January 18 Posted January 18 (edited) 8 hours ago, LittleStarmen said: But the spectrum is a combination of genes or other biological things yea this is what I meant. it's a combination of genes. But right wing people use this argument "there is no gay gene" to try proving the gay is a choice. but im very open minded if someone out there had the luxury of shaping/choosing their sexuality then thats good on them, I dont judge. I just didnt have the same choice in my life at a younger age. Now at 29, I'd definitely choose to be gay and have my partner, but from ages 14-25 I definitely would've chosen to be straight if I could. Edited January 18 by Raphy23 1
Raphy23 Posted January 18 Posted January 18 8 hours ago, Twixters said: I don’t care what anyone says there is some genetic reasoning for this. It happens across all Cultures and demographics of gay men. I remember I took a biology class. She told me they had started to recognize some genetic markers for possibilities of homosexuality (it was in flies I think) she said though they would probably never publicate it though cause the backlash and possible genocide. Imagine if people could find out their child had a gay gene or they were a carrier? Could be chaotic. Especially with all the religious nut cases. so sad
Twixters Posted January 18 Posted January 18 9 hours ago, Jon Snow said: there is the biological factor, sure. it's just that it's not the only one. let's take violence for example. we are born with predispositions to do violent things, it doesn't mean that people are violent by nature. it just means that they are able to do it. it just depends on social and psychological factors whether whey would end up violent sexuality is a spectrum, but it's not 100% biology or 100% socially constructed, just like violence isn't. you are born with some predispositions, and it depends on different factors how your personality will shape. it shapes very early in life, too. so, even if there is no thing as gay gene, there are some things that affect us (and i couldn't explain what because i do social sciences and have zero knowledge on biology), but there is (probably much more) other factors that affect us and end up shaping our sexuality. i tend to believe that all people biologically are able to be with any sex, but it just depends on how those factors are shaped. it is true that we're just now beginning to understand this and i'm just giving some of my opinions. i don't study how society affects our personalities, it's just a thing that i've heard from a psychologist. there is a similar point with sex and gender. trans people are born genetically like all other people, it's just that genetics isn't the only (nor the most important) factor so... there are a lot of factors that affect our sexuality, and it's a very complex subject Biology to be with any sex my ass. Some men and women could never be with the same sex or opposite sex if their lives depended on it lol. I agree there is a spectrum but there def some golden stars out there. Women do NOTHING for me. One could hold my hand and I feel nothing. Ive even tried. Nothing at all lol.
anti-bitch Posted January 18 Posted January 18 2 hours ago, Twixters said: Biology to be with any sex my ass. Some men and women could never be with the same sex or opposite sex if their lives depended on it lol. I agree there is a spectrum but there def some golden stars out there. Women do NOTHING for me. One could hold my hand and I feel nothing. Ive even tried. Nothing at all lol. Lol, but imagine someone who's more dom (sorry if I'm just assuming you're sub), it makes sense to them to be bi or whatever. And even some power bottom might wanna have an experience with a dominatrix Also, i think a lot of "straight" guys would enjoy some buttplay, but the world isn't ready for that conversation
glitch Posted January 18 Posted January 18 19 hours ago, Goaty said: ddd I just spent twenty minutes listening to voice notes I've sent recently to see if I think I "sound gay." I definitely think had I not grown up in such a homophobic, masculine-pressured home environment my voice would be much different than it is today. So I wonder to what extent "gay voice" is the gay default and any gay men that deviate from it do so due to external pressures versus inherent characteristics of their own voices. Yeah I've always thought it was something to do with your role models growing up. More feminine gay men are more likely to relate to their mother/female authority figures and that's who they'll imitate. Vice versa for more masculine guys.
airplane Posted January 19 Posted January 19 (edited) 14 hours ago, Jon Snow said: you are born with some predispositions, and it depends on different factors how your personality will shape. it shapes very early in life, too. so, even if there is no thing as gay gene, there are some things that affect us (and i couldn't explain what because i do social sciences and have zero knowledge on biology), but there is (probably much more) other factors that affect us and end up shaping our sexuality. i tend to believe that all people biologically are able to be with any sex, but it just depends on how those factors are shaped. I believe this. I also believe that every person is born bisexual but as they grow older, they tend to lean towards one side based on their upbringing, their personality, surroundings, mannerisms, exposures etc. It’s kinda hard to explain but they tend to have an awakening at some point. A lot of the gay guys who i’ve talked to including myself were attracted to the opposite gender during our childhoods. I think things change when people mostly hit puberty. I don’t think this is applicable to everyone but this is from my own personal experience. One of my closest friends has been acting a bit sus lately and i’ve speculated that he’s bi in some way, especially with his mannerisms and his voice (which is somewhere in the middle of that of a gay man and a straight man). He recently told me that he’s been talking to guys, even though he’s been hooking up with girls I feel like there’s some sort of biology involved, probably concerning hormones. Edited January 19 by airplane 1
Jon Snow Posted January 19 Posted January 19 4 hours ago, Twixters said: Biology to be with any sex my ass. Some men and women could never be with the same sex or opposite sex if their lives depended on it lol. I agree there is a spectrum but there def some golden stars out there. Women do NOTHING for me. One could hold my hand and I feel nothing. Ive even tried. Nothing at all lol. 14 minutes ago, airplane said: I believe this. I also believe that every person is born bisexual but as they grow older, they tend to lean towards one side based on their upbringing, their personality, surroundings, mannerisms, exposures etc. It’s kinda hard to explain but they tend to have an awakening at some point. A lot of the gay guys who i’ve talked to including myself were attracted to the opposite gender during our childhoods. I think things change when people mostly hit puberty. I don’t think this is applicable to everyone but this is from my own personal experience. One of my closest friends has been acting a bit sus lately and i’ve speculated that he’s bi in some way, especially with his mannerisms and his voice (which is somewhere in the middle of that of a gay man and a straight man). He recently told me that he’s been talking to guys, even though he’s been hooking up with girls I feel like there’s some sort of biology involved, probably concerning hormones. i don't think we're born bisexual. i'm sorry for not explaining better. i just think that we are born with the possibility to be attracted to any gender. that possibility will not always manifest itself. other factors would make us gay, bi, straight, asexual or whatever we end up being. both your points still stand
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